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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-06-29 04:37 [#02609558]
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i have a decent sub again a few months now, and some of it
is clearly too much. i'm browsing around a bit and it's
like... "oh, yes, it can kind of be a signature, where and
how you cut the messy low-end"

you know, 20hz, less, maybe a bit more -- and then there's
talk of cutting it at a specific note. for, you know, da
club.

at the end of the day, frequencies do matter,
especially when you get down to the 50ft long waveform shit.
but i have no experience w/ da club.

i have been messing about with this about, and it seems to
pan out. some of the bass the wavestation ex defecates is
actually almost painfully bassy; perhaps even ear-bad. like,
on the one hand, i like how punishing it is, but on the
other out of hand; ouch.

i was really just wondering what anyone's everythot on this
is. because it seems like there is a reasonable thing to
learn here, but also a lot of hoarse whisper poppycock to be
googled for


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-06-29 04:42 [#02609559]
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fuck. the wavestation ex goes to at least 75ft


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-06-29 04:43 [#02609560]
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has anyone ever had a funny moment where you actually can
kind of see/feel the waveform through the air and then the
flange gets into your teef? no?

ok. please just answer my question about bass cut. it will
save ears. the wavestation is toooooooo


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-06-29 05:04 [#02609561]
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in da club we tame da trout

but cryptojoken be unregulated currently

(wha [WHA >WHA

i'd say you can kind of hear me cutting it for da club,
versus having not dug into that when i diddled around the
multi-band compression on cryptojoken. i just want some
advice on what, exactly, da fuk im doin


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-06-30 04:50 [#02609571]
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what was gearslutz renamed to so i can ask this somewhere
people will care


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-06-30 08:03 [#02609574]
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im perfectly satisfied with the high cutoff on my active
sub, but, do you have a ground loop isolator flying around
somewhere? its probably making people cringe, but it might
kill low frequncies not needed for your club. dont forget to
print your custom club dollar bills for obvious purposes.

:attached picture:


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 17:12 [#02609580]
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gearslutz is 95% ppl saying in 8x more words than necessary
stuff that doesn't need to be said at all
are u on about eq'ing you tracks to sound good on your sub
or sound good 'everywhere'? if its the former then just do
it, if its the latter then forget it
setting eq filters to particular midi notes only makes sense
for peak/notch i reckon, roll off there is no point .. at
least +2/3 each side wont matter i reckon..


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 17:15 [#02609581]
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hi/lo shelf definitely ... some paragraphic eq software has
resonant lo/hi pass (i'm not sure what for? i'd rather use a
shelf and a peak, more flexible)


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 17:19 [#02609582]
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eq and compression, making shit loud without distorting,
whatever they call it
is the ONLY place that I think advice can be sought without
meaning that a person has no fucking clue about making
tracks
and i havent got a clue about it... read a book or summat.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 18:42 [#02609585]
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>>> if its the former then just do it,
may wanna get your room set up first, .... lot of these
things are just luck or how-you-say "completely fucking
arbitrary"


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 18:45 [#02609586]
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paging elusive... He will tell you stuff that makes you
forget the whole thing, so i guess you may aswell GET THE
FUCK ON WITH IT.
(sorry for caps)


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 18:46 [#02609587]
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Have you ever been to NYC what's that place like? I havent i
want to go though


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-06-30 18:50 [#02609588]
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been to the other coast loads of times with work shit but
only one to the other one.... i fucking love america, you
are american aren't you?
Will raise you one Victor Lewis-Smith for your Longmount
Potion Castle


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-05 06:57 [#02609639]
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im perfectly satisfied with the high cutoff on my active
sub, but, do you have a ground loop isolator flying around
omewhere? its probably making people cringe, but it might
kill low frequncies not needed for your club. dont forget to
print your custom club dollar bills for obvious
purposes.


fuck, wait, what? are you saying ground-loop isolators are
bad? like, it makes basic sense; you are saying that
ground loop isdolorators? because absolutely fucking
everything is going through furman rack power conditioners.
i lived in a town with a lot of radio and TV stations once
in a house with bad wiring and after ages of cursing out the
the BZZZZ and wiggling wires i got a load of these fuckers
and i haven't had the problem since.

and now even this is a problem? i hope i misunderstand. i
really hope


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-05 06:58 [#02609640]
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*you are saying that ground loop isdolorators fuck w/themix


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-05 06:59 [#02609641]
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i hope you're just actually saying maybe i should have that
because trust me i fucking have a lot of it.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-05 07:07 [#02609642]
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steve, i dunno. i feel this, but you do not give me enough
credit. i have been fucking with the room since i moved in.
i've bought a real sub, then isolation pads for both the sub
and the monitors. i have a decent ear but i've not trained
it for really specific frequencies. reaper is nice and
scriptable; i squint vaguely, and, yes, i could actually
code up some custom spectrogram shit in here mad easy.
because i tried what it had and none of it was mustard.
because, like, if i can have a picture always churning on
the second monitor; just glance at it... eventually it will
fuse with what i hear

but, then, yes. i've read a bit of this and that about it.
8x words and all that; mining for something of use. i mean,
i wrote it up a bit silly, but what i said was actually more
or less what i dredged up that i felt had some merit:

1) most systems can't produce frequencies below this or that
and you should cut this off (gracefully) to avoid wasting
loudness in this neurotically compressed world we all now
live in

2) 20hz = 50ft waveform, the size of yer average "da club,"
the resonance of the human bowel; i'm sorry but i do believe
a fierce argument in where, precisely, we should stop. 32hz?
whatever it is, it's probably a fundamental of some note, C
or D something, and a lot of club music is in that key, with
that as the low cutt

3) people write a lot of voodoo bullshit and, i guess, i've
a decent filter, i just need more bullshit to read. but if
you have any sort of larger answers it would be appreciate


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 21:41 [#02609762]
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im sorry d00d it did sound patronising, was just reeling off
what i thought generally i guess.. was drinking rum+tea
waiting 4 train out of weird place Backwater UK
Fuck spectrograms use your ears, make stuff for your setup,
keep the stems....
As soon as you think "i could do this and it MIGHT sound
better on this hypothetical system" STOP, unless you have it
to test it on.
Ppl like Dillinja & that are making tunes for their own
rigs u know


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:14 [#02609763]
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ps the bit about tuning eqs to specific pitches
ive always thought instruments should be able to have audio
inputs too
also why is it that most (all?) subtractive VSTs never have
eq type shelf or peak filters, kinda weird.HAvent used a vst
in a while though, and like i said i wouldnt listen to me on
any of this stuff


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:17 [#02609764]
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(like kybd following shelf,peak, i mean -seems pretty
obvious and really easy to do but they never seem to cos
slavish adherence to hardware counterparts, perhaps.
creeping skeuomorphism)


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:24 [#02609765]
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have you tried plugging your waft extractor to your wiffle
ping scrambler, then chutney the sound vibble to the extreme
cardinal points of your Drimble Tulip


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:31 [#02609766]
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i love synths with mad parameter names
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:42 [#02609767]
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LAZY_TITLE

When I was young I had reaktor on my bedroom pc and I would
piss my mum off by doing sounds like this


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:49 [#02609768]
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you have to ramp up the oxyplasmic flange valve to phase the
minge wavelets


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:52 [#02609769]
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:) i used to repeatedly play the Funeral March on old
acoustic guitar whilst she was trying to watch the telly
(i was thinking about that music the other day... like the
'cake' music in Brass Eye, wonder who did it...pretty
banging tbh)


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:55 [#02609770]
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yeah the ambient bit at the end is really good as well, I
wonder if Noel Edmonds ever wakes up at night and thinks of
that track
the duck spinning a record sound effect bit


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:56 [#02609771]
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Hecker has a good line total nonsense verbiage for his stuff
too, "stupid people think its clever, smart people think its
a joke"


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:56 [#02609772]
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LAZY_TITLE

fucking hell Rolf Harris forgot he was in it


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:58 [#02609773]
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reminds me of that art gallery where people were staring at
some glasses a bloke had left on the floor or something, I
guess i cant take the piss cos in that context they thought
it was art.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-10 22:58 [#02609774]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-07-11 16:17 [#02609795]
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cant believe musicians/djs like that are a thing in brit
television.
like i couldnt believe the young ones exist
or absolutley fabulous or black adder or, or, or
german tv of the times is so lame in comparison


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-11 16:28 [#02609796]
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Its weird how different cultures develop innit


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2021-07-11 16:32 [#02609797]
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LAZY_TITLE


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-07-11 18:10 [#02609799]
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indeed


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2021-07-11 18:21 [#02609801]
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epic: considerung the ground loop isolator takes away
frequencies i would only assume its natural for folks to
insist on not missing those frequencies in their indulgence
of music. quickly asking the net about it shows that
apparently those cut freqencies appear to be unhearable by
the human ear, but that may differ from isolator to
crapsolator and human to superhuman.

anyway is was basically thinking "unwanted noise" ->
gl-isolator


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-11 22:52 [#02609814]
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im sorry d00d it did sound patronising, was just reeling
off what i thought generally i guess.. was drinking rum+tea
waiting 4 train out of weird place Backwater UK

i'm not particularly english, but... leeds?

Fuck spectrograms use your ears

spectrogram thing is about trying to learn to ID frequencies
by ear

make stuff for your setup,
i do make stuff for my setup. but, while this may sound
weird, i kind of want other people to hear it too; sound
good on their setup. but, your core point, make stuff for
you, yourself, way ahead of you. you can tell because i'm
less popular than you are. because it's more for me than
your... i'm bored of this next thing

keep the stems....

what stems? i record stereo to hard disk. when i plugged my
mixer into the usb port that's all it'd let me do. i hate
editing live recordings anyways

As soon as you think "i could do this and it MIGHT sound
better on this hypothetical system" STOP, unless you have it
to test it on.


i don't think anyone will actually ever play "da club" in da
club. it was more i just got into reading about it and i
found that quite fascinating -- the physics of a bass
waveform; how most clubs have sonic sweet spots arising from
that. that i was just fascinated by the thot process behind
that, and this is as i'm googling and trying to answer some
??? mastering halp

but the other point -- unless you can try it out, fuck that
-- fair enough, i'll update my policiez there

but i am still interested in how people who can try it out
in da club think about bass.

i suppose there are other things too; OSHA makes you cut the
midrange because something something internal organs. but
i'm less concerned with how OSHA thinks


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-11 23:00 [#02609816]
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but anyways, i've yet to hear a single coherent
opinion
about how to low cut the bass.

like, i think we agree, it's an important and standard thing
to do -- roll off the low end. cut out the freqs no audio
system could ever produce before you brickwall it to avoid
wasting bandwidth. figure no arguments there

then i've subjectively noticed that too much low bass in
certain zones is, as described, punishing. feels bad on the
ears.

but where; how much? where do you start rolling it off? how
sharply do you drop it?

obviously it depends on the music, but we all do similar
sort of fings here, so that's why i'm actually still
[futilely?] attempting to extract an answer: acid dub 'n'
breaks, how do you feel one should roll off the bass?

i also wonder about something something harmonics aliasing


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-11 23:07 [#02609818]
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so after stressing how to merely EQ the bass i then use a
multi-band compressor where i can have four bands or three
and i can drag them around and compress them differently and
gain or lose them and alright i'm inside the belly of the
whale now


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-11 23:11 [#02609819]
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i feel i can just ear my way through and seem like i have a
clue through past 200hz but below that there's a lot of...
how does it sound on headphones? ...in the car?

and i'm looking to cut that nonsense short, plzkthx.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-12 01:49 [#02609820]
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what stems, barbie?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-12 02:08 [#02609822]
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steve, sir, part of why i was annoyed... patronized, sure,
felt that, but it was also quite, like, c'mon c'mon i've
seen this episode before; fast forward

your advice has generally been solid and i just want, i
dunno, the answer i want, which is: 1) some basic attitude
to remove the absolutely useless/wasteful signal range 2) if
you had to set up a mix/master happy path lazy mofo signal
chain to just use on everything acid 'n' breaks what would
it be.

it's not that i'm looking for a formula; i just need a bit
of direction. and you are smarty man even just something to
read. i should get the book i already have by Famous
Mastering Guy off the shelf

but stems, lol. i've been having a proper chuckle over that
bit. i'm not even sure how i'd... what would the stems even
be?

i have an arturia keystep pro, then a beatstep pro that i
don't use much; just an overflow if i want a few moar trax.
those two fuckers have changed my life but it drives me
banonkers that you can't change some settings without
plugging it into the computer!

and at that point, well, yes, usb actually can be far
tighter than midi ever fucking could be
but i love midi,
i love the sloppy, i love how sometimes the machines will
take a dump and lag out

that normally, i guess, you'd use the busses on the mixer to
record stems, or something. instead, i have one going
through a bunch of the moog grandmother's modules, so i can
use it to sort of shuttle any track into it like an envelope
follower. the other one, i dunno, depends on my mood. most
typical is into pitch cv somewhere

then i typically have 2-3 delay units commiserating;
bouncing off one another. would i stem those individually or
are they a collective stem? are the aux audio busses i'm
abusing as cv stems or not?

thx.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-12 02:09 [#02609823]
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but perfectly solid, clean recordings, wavs, of course?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-12 02:43 [#02609827]
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i was trying to find a thing i mean so i could upload an mp3
but instead i found out that eigenschnauzer was but the tip
of the iceberg and i cut out like six minutes that, well...
it's better than i thot it was at the time

LAZY_TITLE

so instead of an mp3 of what i was thinking, i found
something i'd forgotten that still makes my point: like 3:14
or so, you can hear the kick drum very obviously driving the
synth arp. 3:24 you hear... well, behringer model d set with
envelope driving pitch with a reallly long tail; you get
that whooooooouahg. then the buss that isn't driving the
moog goes into that; you can hear it flap flap modulate.
then you get into the more interesting stuff; i am moving
the buss faders up and down to taste in realtime; i am
dropping things in and out of it.

i guess if i had a really nice audio interface like... oh, i
dunno, the fireface 800 i had to sell off years ago because
of financial doom, i might be able to record everything
split out... but then it'd all have to go to the computer,
and i'm sorry, i'm not plastikman


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-12 02:48 [#02609828]
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or shit it's just another take
ah well you can hear what i'm on about in any case:
stems? lol


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-13 07:29 [#02609854]
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better question is, i'm doing 24-bit 44100, and the gfx
overlay on the mixer proudly boasts 192k. 48000 leads to the
obvious van-halen conundrum; it's the wrong speed! but then
88200? 176400? i'd be lucky to hear past 18k these days,
nyquist sez i get 22k out of 44100 already, but something
something aliasing crush

i'm inclined not to fuck with it. 441004lyfe


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2021-07-13 07:33 [#02609855]
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everything i record, even the total shit, is just
automatically in my REAPER media pholder with a timestamp
and i have some ssd drive as a backup and i rsync it all to
another computer which then goes to a pair of mirrored
backup drives i keep on a shelf eventually. but i have no
offsite and i know people that would scream at me that this
means i have no backups at all

...but, yes. i have all the original, unfuckd/w avephorms. i
think normalize might be destructive. but that's just a dumb
math op


 


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