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Asche XL
on 2002-04-06 06:17 [#00160151]
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Is it really as bad as we all make it out to be? I have a story i was gona share tonight but ill save it for another time. Whats everyones thoughts on conforming? (like socially)
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Aktium
from cleveland (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:24 [#00160155]
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i don't know,,, tell your story. we promise we won't stone you to death
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diemax
from somewhere in tennessee :( (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:29 [#00160156]
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actually i'm just about to get stoned to death anyways, wtf are you guys talking about? conforming? is it a song, or just the concept?
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:31 [#00160158]
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you mean, conforming to pop culture, peers, authority? please elaborate.
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Zen Storm
from St. Charles (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:35 [#00160159]
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it's pretty much a social construct of the mind....somethign we invented and encourage, I think it can snowball into something horrible (ie the S.S. and the Nazi's), and it encourage one to drop what makes them unique
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:39 [#00160162]
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i think most people against conforming are conforming anyway.
i am who i am naturally. if i end up looking like others, its cause that's what i am.
my tastes in life may be that of the same of others, but they are still mine.
i really believe that conforming is excepting things without knowledge of its source.
its excepting things just to except them. not because you want to. or would like to.
i think many so called rebels, are just conforming to wanting attention. so that act wild and ignorant.
some call them goths. some call them wiggers. i just see them as ignorant. they don't know their source.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 06:43 [#00160165]
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Conforming sometimes is good I think... but also going against the majority is good sometimes as well... you gotta stand up for what you believe, and be yourself and all, but you can't do it all the time... I don't know, it's hard to say... you just have to be yourself... if you're going against who you are then it's just unnatural, and not good...
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 06:49 [#00160168]
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its definately hard to be yourself all the time. some people have trouble accepting you, because they are ignorant.
they don't wonder why you think or act a certain way, they just assume.
but, i do hate when people act depressed and dark just cause they are goths.
or talk and act in stupid ways just cause they are wiggers and thats their thing.
i think that people still need reasons to their actions. people need to be real.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 16:52 [#00160317]
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by using english, or any structured language, we are conforming surelY?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-04-06 17:06 [#00160318]
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No. We are conditioned to use english. Altho I guess thats conformity.
We were conditioned to enjoy lord of the rings. That kinda pissed me off.
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-04-06 17:08 [#00160320]
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i always think it is funny how people join a "group" of "peers" to avoid conforming to the mainstream, but actually some people end of conforming to that alternative group obssessively, and end up just as shallow as any boring mainstream person. they make sure they have all the right clothes and accessories for their group, and affliate themselves to all the proper music, books, movies for their supposedly non-conforming alternative group... so they can feel like they belong. i've seen gay and lesbian guides literally listing what is supposed to be their favorite music, movies, and the "correct" styles of clothing, to make sure they fit in correctly... seems kinda silly to me...
other examples are obvious... religions, cults, goths, punks, club kids, professional upscalers, bodybuilers, hicks... whatever... at least this "IDM" doesnt have a dress code...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 17:55 [#00160337]
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maybe conformity is genetic? would we naturally conform w/out pressure &tc?
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Asche XL
on 2002-04-06 18:05 [#00160343]
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I totaly agree with zombiekev, you need to conform to some extent once and while to "avoid conflicts" with idiots who dont understand you...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:09 [#00160345]
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so that would be a compromise then - and if someone didn't understand me because they mentally unable to, i wouldn't compromise
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:09 [#00160346]
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actually we just learned about this type of thing in Psychology... people do tend to conform when in groups... for instance, if you're in a group, and you have to answer this question, if you don't know the answer yourself, and all the other group members answer the same answer, you're probably gonna conform and say the same answer... but that makes sense, cause you just assume that the other people know, and that they're right... but it also worked for when you thought you knew, but everyone else said a different answer... you're more likely to choose there answer I believe... but I dunno, that's kinda different then conforming to a group about likes and dislikes and all that, but I suppose it's similar in a way too... :)
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:14 [#00160349]
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I'm such a loner, that it seems the only way of life I conform to is my own. I'd wear the same fucking shirt for a week straight if it was socially acceptable... I don't conform to some dresscode. But I mean, I have to conform SOMEWHAT, don't want to be TOO much of a slob. :-)
Nobody understands me, and I'm not going to change or act differently because I want to be accepted.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:14 [#00160350]
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yeah i would say it was linked
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 18:16 [#00160352]
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[RANT]For me, conforming is adopting ideas and the culture of a group that my not have been your before.
i try not to conform, but its very hard to try and lead your own life 24/7. Sometimes its cool to take in styles as much as it is to make your own.[/RANT]
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:16 [#00160353]
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Ophecks, by saying that nobody understands you, aren't you conforming to that classical (ie cliched) symptom of teen-angst? (i have no idea how old you are bTW)
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 18:19 [#00160354]
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exactly.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:19 [#00160356]
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yeah, conforming is good in some instances... an example, if I had some friends over, and we wanted to put some music on while we played a board game (it has happened) well I'm not gonna put on Autechre or Aphex Twin, cause I know that they wouldn't like it... so in that case I would conform to try and please each person there... in a case like that I think that conforming is a good thing... it doesn't mean I'm compromising who I am or anything, it's just that I don't need to annoy these people with this music that I know they wouldn't like, so I'll put something on that we all like...
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:20 [#00160357]
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I have no teenage angst, I don't GIVE a shit that nobody understands me. And they don't. That's just fine, it's the way I like it. I'm not really COMPLAINING about it, angst-style, just pointing it out. People around me know I'm nothing like them, and let me do my own thing.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:23 [#00160359]
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well if it's in your record collection, then choosing to play something else over aphex twin is a compromise more than an act of conformity, surely? i do not mean you are compromising your principles or anything
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:24 [#00160361]
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yeah i didn't say you had teen angst, just that the specific statement you made conformed to an.."axiom" of teen-angst - just an example of how it really is nigh on impossible to escape conformity really
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 18:26 [#00160363]
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it'd be a whole lot cooler if people just knew how to except others.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:26 [#00160364]
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yeah ok, well it's a good compromise in everyones favor... but yeah, it's not like I'm saying, "Ok, I hate Autechre and Aphex Twin, so I'll put on this cd which you guys like instead"...
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 18:27 [#00160366]
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Corporations love conformity. Example - fast food. Everything right down to the spatula is exactly the same the world over.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:27 [#00160367]
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agreed man...
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:29 [#00160369]
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yeah i hate the way McDonald's &tc are openin stores all over the world - One Culture (culture? pah)seems to be the future :(
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Darth manchu
from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 18:31 [#00160372]
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I hate the adverts they have, where everyone seems really happy and they all look the same. Grrr.... i contemplate homicide when i see them.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:31 [#00160373]
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Burger King doesn't conform, we believe in the individual, and we charesh uniqueness...
*A Burger King executive hands over a big bag of money to The_Funkmaster*
:)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:32 [#00160374]
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they deeply depress me...really they do -- which makes me more depressed for being such a sucker
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:33 [#00160376]
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funkster you sell out!! :P
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:36 [#00160377]
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Hmmm, I had McDonalds about 20 minutes ago... I'm so ashamed of myself!!!
Isn't it great to walk around your college and see everyone in the same Columbia jacket, and the same Gap sweater, and the same Tommy Hilfiger jeans, and the same Fubu crap, and the same everything... hell, even the way people do their hair... it's illegal not to gel it up and do that spiky thing, apparently.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:40 [#00160380]
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it's horrible walking thru the streets of my town being judged as uncool by a thousand cliques - i am glad that i don't conform, but i do get mad & affected by them. i can't help it!!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:48 [#00160381]
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I have no desire to be a part of any of these ridiculous cliques, and I know they think I'm a loser, and I don't care, but they still get under my skin... but they're just so boring and average and normal... there's not enough interesting and unique INDIVIDUALS around, so these cliques really get on my nerves, even though I try not to let them.
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Asche XL
on 2002-04-06 19:51 [#00160432]
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You want to hear an example of what happened to me last night. I was chillin with my friend and we came across like 20 people from my school who arent really like me and my friend at all , but we chilled with them anyway, and this girl started talking to me. She wsa diggin me and shit and she asked what i was into, if i told her the truth she would have gave me a look like huh?, so im like yeah i listen to everything shes like you like rap and stuff im lke yeah its all good yada yada yada, hehe and she was eating it all up, i thought it was funny in a way, but still. By bs'in a bunch of people i got like 20 sn's and #'s so i duno. I think its good to have some friends that understand you and some that dont , just to have some variety in your life.
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Asche XL
on 2002-04-06 19:52 [#00160433]
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because if you dont conform to society in some way shape or form, you'll be all alone all the time
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Asche XL
on 2002-04-06 19:53 [#00160434]
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Dont get me wrong though i am my own person =)
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 21:04 [#00160489]
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conformity is ingrained into you from birth and its your brain naturaly questioning why you are living a life that isn't natural to what you where born to do.
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-06 23:28 [#00160548]
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I dont see what the problem Is. Really if you dont conform sometimes you get stuck in the same spot socially in life, for the rest of your life. I was not about to be one of those crust punks when im 40 years old.
I dont speak up on my soap box like these fools. Conforming is something that happens anyway. Socially especially. And its ok to do for certain reasons I think.
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phiz
from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 23:31 [#00160556]
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money has alot to do with conformity. if you are finacialy secure it would probly be easier to live a non-conformist life
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-06 23:33 [#00160559]
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But Ive always had a good amount of money behind me.... and such. I conformed the biggest one in history... going from hardcore punk rocker.... the hardestcore style you see..... to the preppy guy in "nice" clothes.... thats ok though.. it was a process.
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Conformist
from Powell, OH (United States) on 2002-10-09 11:45 [#00397723]
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I can't believe I missed out on this thread! :-P
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-09 11:49 [#00397729]
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conforming to the social economical actual feeling, will put your brain in such a stade, you won't even may able to understand this difficult word...!
;o)jjj
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Conformist
from Powell, OH (United States) on 2002-10-09 11:50 [#00397732]
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Suppose you conform to a life lead by intellect? I think you'd understand the word then ;)
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-09 13:06 [#00397858]
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try this
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-09 13:28 [#00397904]
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by choosing not to conform, you are conforming with all the non-conformists
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titsworth
from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-10-09 13:34 [#00397910]
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which is even worse because it's totally contrived
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-09 13:39 [#00397919]
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exactly my point!
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