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This may be a lame accademic topic, but I have to write a paper on violence and need some opinions. My thesis is basically that although there are many root causes of violence (by root I don't mean what starts a fight or riot, but what makes us think violence is neccessary to deal with the conflict) the most profoud root with the most wieght is the child-parent relationship and the environment at home. Do people agree with this and does anyone have any idea where i might look for evidence? I need sources. |
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my opinion: suppression of urges human nature as natural competitors issues with the balance and shifting of power. |
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other sources that are blamed like tv, vid games and other media i think are not as powerful. |
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No, violence is survival, not parent but peer for mating reasons. |
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but do these issues begin in the earliest years of developmnent? are we not able to deal with the nature of competition in a nonviolent way because of our most prominent life influences: the parents and surrounding home environment? |
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I certainly think the environment in which a child is brought up in plays an important part in it. If they are brought up in an environment where violence is acceptable then I think it is obvious that the child will grow up to think that sort of behavior is acceptable. |
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I agree that violence is about survival, but in humanity we have the ability to reason more complexly than other animals. This is why we have people that choose nonviolence. Is it our viewpoint of the world inherited by our parents that allows us to opt against violence? |
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Does anyone know of any psychological studies done that relate to this by chance? Any books? |
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Try this....I don't know whether its any good! http://www.violence.de/bylinsky/article.html |
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jupitah: hmm nice try you are looking in the wrong place.. go to your library and search the news databases, research with <-- good metacrawler; find journal articles those are really good |
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hmm that might be a place to look, but it's not credible, you need primarily .edu resources IF you even plan on citing articles off the web |
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i think one of the biggest misunderstandings about violence is that people compare it to predatory animals. humans are opportunistic predators, no human violence is really based on any hidden predatory instinct. in some animals, they can show violence in three completely different ways, sexual pecking orders and trying to force sex, territorial, which can be a sexual territory or a feeding territory, and last, just plan eating other creatures. humans enjoy putting others down or using others, asserting their place in the pecking order, when basic issues about sexual territories and space territories do not apply, but it is based on these behaviors. what i think is interesting is what different people find funny. some people find violence funny that deals with a stronger person gleefully hurting and humiliating a weaker person just to prove that they are stronger. i find this pretty scary. the same type of people joke about hurting animals, find joking about kicking or hurting a cat or dog for fun really laugh out loud funny. like violence is okay if you can get away with it mentality. |
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The root of violence? who gives a shit. its there, i commit vioent acts sometimes. so what. i dont need or want to think about stuff like that... when it wont change anything let a lone the way I think. |
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when you occupy a country because you think god promised it to you and throw its people out of their homes you gotta expect a bit of violence): |
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REFLEX, who cares? I left a disclaimer at the top stating that this topic might not be worth your time. I have a paper to write and I don't like doing half ass work. I think most of you are an interesting bunch and maybe someone would care to give me their input. You obviously don't. |
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Salma, your message could be interpretted many ways. I hope that you don't believe all violent conflict in America is caused by the raping of the Natives' culture and home. And even if it were, my paper is focused not on the cause of conflicts, but the reason that we choose to deal with these conflicts with violence. |
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Thanks leftronic, and I do plan on hitting the library. I just thought I'd try the board because it's so diverse. |
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I'd agree w/ you on the primary source being uprbringing and the parent-child relationship. I think media violence only affects children at a very young age. I think the biggest violent influences are parents/ peers. |
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I think that violence in media affects everyone (you may notice I hone in on generalizations, not that I don't make them myself occasionally) but I think that young children are affected to a greater degree. It's like learning a language. A person learns their native language more efficiently and deeper than they can learn a language beginning in high school and continuing throughout the rest of their life. I jsut think this learning probably applies to behavior as well, including violence. |
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I think ALL violent/agressive/hateful behavior, in any person, is learned, not inherent. I guess you could say i'm a humanist. |
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Well, violence exists, so it is a part of us. Something that needs be healed. What's the difference betweem learned and being a part of us anyway? Everything that is a part of us as human nature was learned at some point, but became inbedded into our genetics and "collective unconscious" if you believe in such a thing. It's all a brew. |
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For the record, a lot of Americans feel guilt about our countries situation. It's not an expressed guilt, but it's there. Do you really believe that most Americans think that the foundation of our nation was justified and that "god promised it"? If you believe that I am sick to my stomach. Maybe all of us Americans should pack up and move to your country. Would that resolve this issue? |
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Violence is very primitive in our minds i believe. Eventually we'll grow out of being hard headed idiots who worry about their dick being too small and for once in a long time prosper by helping each other. |
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or annhialate each other long before that ever has a chance to happen. |
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hm.. IMO i think violence is just an expression of instincts... and very basic emotion, "animal" urges that we usually control with our logical mind.. but sometimes their too strong, or ur reasoning side is not strong enough, and tehy get through this isn't just violence.. but all emotionally charged behavior but enviroment definitly plays a HUGE role i think.. our enviroment practically creates us, i think people learn their behavior at a young age.. people abused as kids learn and take up that behavior then they are abusive towards their kids usually it is expressed as physical violence, in addition to mental abuse on the other hand... if u grow up in a loving and secure mental enviroment where conflicts are dealt with more peacefully, u dont feel a need to jump to physical OR emotional violence to try to resolve things hm.. i dont think ive said anything that hasn't already been said, but oh well btw, for ur original question: yes i agree with you! dont know about sources.. i may be able to get some in a few minutes, ill post 'em if i do |
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maybe it's a chain of influence |
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jupitah , my message refers to the Israel-Palastine conflict and has nothing to do with America. I find it frankly dissgusting that only the Jews can use history from 2000 years ago to plead for land that is no longer theirs and then complain from Arab violence.... and by god promised to them i was refering to what the Jews claim, they think they're god's chosen people and that this land is promised to them exclusively by him which is quite a load of shit to put it bluntly....But this issue is obviously very political and is not what you're looking for....sorry its just what i thought of first when i read the question about violence. |
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Fine then. I dont think that violence is something to be shunned or put on the "back burner" and left for later. If not dealt with it can cause serious problems, mental and physical. This is fact. What is not fact, is why we do it, when or who we do it to. The reasons are all different, but most likely sound the same to us all. |
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Here are the facts: The tree of mana is the center of goodness pureness and beauty. When Nea died, she became the new tree of mana, but it is in men's nature to seek the power from this tree and use it for the purpose of evil. For this reason, the gemma knights including me, will defend Nea at any cost. |
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religion has been tha main root of violence throughout history... wherther you like it or not |
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The roots of Coincidence... a kick ass song by pat metheny group, which would probable be appreciated by most people in the messageboard here. |
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oops, sorry salma. i've just been really defensive lately hearing trash about americans from misunderstood people... and your message was kinda vague and interpretable. |
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money cheating couples religion Britney |
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chain of influence... kinda like what was stated in my orignal thesis, except it is not a rigid chain. certain factors can be stronger in some situations and less in others... very complex and chaotic the personality and behaior is. basically my thesis when i posted this message was that the parent-child relationship is the strongest influence in more individuals than not and so it should recieve the most attention when discussing violence. |
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is this for psychology class or social issues class or somethin? (j/w) |
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i think finding a root for violence is impossible, the question is too general...violence is caused by countless reasons and each case is different, not all violence is the same or exists for the same reasons, rape, criminal violence, demostic violence, wars its all different...humans have always resorted to violent ways but as i say for different reasons and to achieve different things.....maybe some aggressive and violent people have something in their genes, rapists etc... who knows? |
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ya, i agree salma btw: ur really hot! |
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i realize that violence is very broad and complex, but statistically what is the most commonly strongest factor? i say it's the parent-child relationship. i think i may focus my paper on violence among children, and possibly here in the states. i can never think micro, so all of my papers cover ridiculously broad macroscopic concepts and i just do my best. |
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this is for a freshman composition class with a focus on urban life; violence is the current focus of the class. btw, what is j/w? |
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j/w = just wondering got it |
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well i can't think of one reason that is most common, sorry, it might be in the genes, it might be the social infleuence on the child, might be the parents.... and yes AMinal i do have beautiful tits... |
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i think it's not the direct "teaching" influence of parents that affects children most but what all children learn from their parents, if they want or not, is how to react on difficult situations. if violence is capable for them than it's also for the children. a strange thing you have in the US is that kids going mad and killing a bunch of people at school or so. we don't have it here in europe, maybe due to the restrictions on weapons. i dont give too much on the genetics-thing when it's about social behaviour. Salma: don't you want to animate your pic? |
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lol, if it were animated it'd be even more distracting. don't you have a nice shot of of you burried in that sand? i agree totally agree bout the parents influnce. when i say the child-parent relationship i mean the complete thing, not just direct teaching. kids pick up on the subtleties in their parents' attitudes. parents don't neccessarily have to be volent to raise a violent child. |
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plus violence on US TV is not as restricted as sex, which i find questionable |
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yes, any decent person would question that, imo. and that reflects the attitudes towards violence that people pass down to their children. merely making light of violence may be enough to affect a child. |
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the Id is the portion of the human psyche which contains primal urges such as sex, hunger, and violence. violence is a manifestation of our needs as breathing lifeforms to show how we are better others of our species. without it, we'd be forced to rely solely on intellect which isn't as satisfying to our Id and simply doesn't afford some humans any opportunity for competition. |
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u learn that in yer psych class? ^_^ |
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yeah, i dont know if frued deserves as much credit as he gets. |
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yesh, pachi. -_- and soon you shall as well! ^_^ |
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o, sigmund freud. to be honest i only heard bout him in my AP history class and not in great detail. |
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