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I am trying to think of a question for the debate, but i want to get more foreign input about what our fellow brothers and sisters on this planet think about our foreign policies. Obvioulsy the war isn't popular but i think the US did not have great foreign policy before the war started (see 9/11). So please Foreign people tell us how much you hate us and why. |
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your freedom obviously. but seriously you should read noam chomsky. |
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As I've read a number of anti-america topics here, I can summarize the position of most of the Europeans on the board: "I hate them because they r fat." |
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OK thanks for the heads up Hegemony Or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance By Noam Chomsky Sounds very interesting, going to get a copy tomorrow |
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it's a very good, concise summary of his critiques of american foreign policy since the vietnam war. even though it's so dense, it's still perfectly readable. enjoy! |
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They shout all the time. They're fat. They're nationalistic. They're religious. They think they rule the world. On the positive side, only 85% are like that. |
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* You pollute in such insane amounts, that it more or less doesnt matter what a small european country (like mine) does about this themselves. Not signing the Koyoto agreement was a disaster. * You mix your religion with everything. Everyone is thanking "god". This seems strange in our eyes, when you for example go to war. We havent done that since the crusades! * A lot of the shittiest culture, that is shown on television here, is american. Were subjected to Pussycat dolls and Jerry Springer here. * You take a lot of pride in a nation, that is basically a huge chunk of land some bold europeans stole from people who had no concept of "owning". * Your government seems to completely abandon poor people. In my country, health care and education is free. FREE. Now, i don't actually hate America, but this is IMO the reasons you are hated. In my eyes, the reason America has all of those things, is simply because the nation is so huge, that we cant grasp it. Alongside all the crappy things you have, you also have some of the greatest. I mentioned Jerry Springer. Yes, you have lousy television, but you've also produced some of the greatest movies and television ever. So, i don't America at all, but there are many aspects of it, that i have a hard time understanding. Hope you can use it :) |
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I don't HATE America, is what i wanted to say. |
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"your freedom obviously." freedom?? are you serious? modern slavery is freedom? tell that to a 9-5 worker that can just about pay for a bag of fruit n veg each week(that grows from the ground) pay for water that falls from the sky, rent (haha) for space that none should own anyway. unless you mean freedom to pollute ,rape the planet, kill,rip people off ect ect ..and yet still feel a slight sense spiritual cleanliness due to basing our morals on government law the whole planet 'not just america' is a total fk up. but people don't see it because they are blinded by the latest materials/ gadgets and TV adverts. soon all the poor/middle class people will be dead by civil wars due to lack off food (global warming) all because of our present lifestyles. they don't teach this type of thing in schools. |
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I don't think television is a very serious reason for disliking Americans. I'm sure they wouldn't want to watch most of the utter dross produced on UK cable TV either. I think American's biggest weakness is the insecurity of it's people. The vast majority simply don't think for themselves, they always want to be told what to think, whether it's dumb political propaganda, movie propaganda, religion, psychiatrists, you name it - they seem incapable of thinking independently. Although this doubtless applies to most countries, and is a serious flaw in the human intellect, Americans seems to be infected by it in a way that is similar to under-developed nations, such as in South Asia or Middle East. Unlike other countries, Americans live in a democracy and have access to all the information they could need via the Internet, so their lack of self-education is unforgivable really. |
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I hate Wolfslice's knack of attempting to dismiss many valid points into a glib throwaway sentence, deliberately spelt, ironically, as an American teen would spell it, in a vain attempt to deflect attention away from minor things such as an atrocious public health-care system, an atrocious public education system, an awful justice system, an awful attitude to (and deliberate misunderstanding and misrepresentation of ) foreign lands (hey, guys, the rest of the world started loathing you AFTER you started acting like World Police, you didn't become World Police because the whole world started loathing you), and the fact its dragging the rest of the world into some kind of mental stone age. By "it" I mean the country as a whole, not its specific citizenry, many of which are o.k. |
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To be specific, I was riffing on the Bill Burroughs "I hate america" topics (several of them) that actually went something like that. Anyhoo, I live here in the US, and I can safely say that most American's don't give a shit about whats happening outside our country and it's affairs. It's sad but true. My father and sisters live in Germany, so I get to spend quite a bit of time there and I tend to follow the world news and alternate views a little more closely then most here. If it was up to me our government would be as minimal as possible and NEVER partake in nation building, except through private charitable functions. The whole mess in Iraq should never have happened. We're going through a rough patch right now and I hope the next administration can smooth it over a little bit. You've had your problems too, Europe. Fuck off if you try and say you havent. Your countries are no better. And whatever you want to think about the United States, the people still DO have a say here, and sooner rather than later you will start to see changes for the better. |
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I hope you are right because i agree that no one gives a fuck about anything here. Its very sad, and the people that do give a fuck are not heard over the ipods,TV, Sports, etc. Its sad cause lots of people that are confronted dont even know that shit is actually happening outside of there small social bullshit. I am guilty of this shit too but its gotten to a new low in America lately that i honestly dont see any administration sorting out this shit, they all seem to give the same bullshit answers. "We will cut taxes", "we will get our boys out of iraq", "we will get health care for everyone", "we will be serious about global warming", blahblahblah. Who would you vote for if you had to vote tomorrow? |
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if america wasn't as fucked up as it is we wouldn't get tons of great art, so it all levels out in the end yo. |
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If I could vote, Dennis Kucinich. |
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I can forgive America just about anything apart from Moby. |
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[i]We're going through a rough patch right now and I hope the next administration can smooth it over a little bit. You've had your problems too, Europe. Fuck off if you try and say you havent. Your countries are no better. And whatever you want to think about the United States, the people still DO have a say here, and sooner rather than later you will start to see changes for the better.[/i] See, reeking of insecurity. Of course we have our problems, what's that got to do with anything? Yeah, the people did have a say, "Bush". Fuck me. How low can a democratic country stoop to put that gibbering monkey in power. The guy is a walking nuclear bomb. |
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"it more or less doesnt matter what a small european country (like mine) does about this themselves" Wrong statement. When it comes to America's foreign policy, there are many things to hate, and many of them overlap with things to hate about most other rich countries' foreign policies which, to a large extent, seeks to protect their own interests instead of alleviating other people's troubles which they are also indeed partially responsible for by imposing unfair "trade" agreements on them under the disguising "you'll be better off than before" statement that doesn't mention that you won't be as well of as you could have been, had we been less egotistical and cunty, and especially not that it also basically allows us to take further advantage of you. There's also the constant searching for loopholes whenever some sort of international agreement to help the global poor that leads to the release of interpretive statements about the content of the agreements, usually making them not apply to America because "Human rights, eh? That's a rather vague concept, don'cha thinks?" |
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religious politicians |
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Also, when exactly did the world go through this mental golden era that you seem to opine for Marlowe, and how did America destroy it? |
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yeah, i'm not familiar with that one too.. but maybe that's just me. when I was growing up, the phrase "fucking americans" was commonplace. Sheissamis! gotta love german. |
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at least two people in this thread typed it's where they should have typed its. at least one of them is american. |
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The religion. |
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And delusion. |
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in one word, arrogance |
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I love you Little J but you can't argue about grammar when you start sentences in lower case. |
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shit, i live in america, but i feel in no way a part of..."it" Infact i think we're all just humans living on this one planet, and until we get over all this dumb shit that supposedly separates us will we ever stop being jealous, delirious, and arrogant. Summarized in one Short question: I wonder if the hairs in the crack of my ass are angry toward the shampooed, aromatic ones on the top of my head? No, they just keep growing and hopefully dont give ashit |
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word |
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wait, who's the buttcrack hair? |
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ha, i think that's up to you to decide |
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it was a joke referencing bush saying that muslims hate their freedom. |
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You really are a cunt sometimes, do you know that? Please, continue harping on about grammar in posts rife with grammatical errors. You're really driving that point home. |
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'american' cheese is probably the lamest cheese. wtf is it even? like soft plastic? |
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people are idiots everywhere |
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not in the room I'm in. |
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tut tut. typical american arrogance. |
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Yeah American cheese has really free-fallen down my list of favorite cheeses since I've gotten older. The only thing it's good for is grilled cheese sandwiches. Let's stop hating on my country and just talk about cheese, what do you all say?...... OK then, fine let's talk shit. Trash my government all you want but please don't make statements about how the citizens "simply don't think for themselves, they always want to be told what to think, whether it's dumb political propaganda, movie propaganda, religion, psychiatrists, you name it - they seem incapable of thinking independently." Do you know people that fall into this category or is that just what you assume? Did someone tell me to listen to Aphex Twin? No, I saw the Come To Daddy video, loved it, and did more research on the genre which lead me here however many years ago. I don't know anyone that likes being told what to do as I'm sure you don't either. So, what the fuck are you talking about? Do you think us Americans are just robots programed to spend money on Brittany Spears CDs and the latest American Pie movie? I don't know where you get your information, but no, that isn't true and makes you look quite silly. |
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Americans are optimistic. We also assume people are good more than bad. Not everyone, but I think that is a common characteristic. That could be confused with blind devotion, not thinking for ourselves, etc. We also feel detached from many things as basically big money and corporations run everything. |
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we also assume that all 12 valumeals from mcdonalds are totally good and we drive alone to pick them up in our hummers with the ac on and the windows down. also we get double american cheese on our big macks. |
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I take that back. I have no idea about anything actually. |
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Understandable. We're are a very fickle people. :) |
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"I don't know anyone that likes being told what to do" That's actually almost as big a problem as mass-mindlessness, but not quite as big because it's a part of it. |
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Ummmm, I'm telling!!! There's no 'k' in Big Macs! And yeah, the double cheese on the big macs is going to be the downfall of the country. Damn greedy bastards. |
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what I hate the most about america is their bombs hitting the rest of the world |
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You haven't lived until you've killed someone. Its to die for |
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In the very early '80s, when I was a small child, American products weren't seen as corrupting or bad; they weren't rife as they are now, and the U.S.A. seemed more exotic back then to young people. |
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Are you from Canada? |
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Ehm... You say i make a wrong statement, and you don't explain why? |
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The way when you criticise their country jokingly, a lot of yanks take it to heart and have hissy fits. |
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