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D-Steak
from Kansas City, Mo. (United States) on 2007-10-25 21:36 [#02137765]
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Is it rigged? Seems like it to me..
Do any other players out there see the same amount of bullshit on the river card in a real game?
Apologies in advance for such a random topic.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-10-25 23:02 [#02137779]
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I've always wondered about online casinos, or even digital slot-machines in real casinos. How do I know that a digital slotmachine isn't artificially stacking the odds against me?
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kid
from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:14 [#02137780]
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it's not rigged. i'm a croupier, i've dealt poker for a living for the last nine years and strange things happen in the real game too, even stranger than what i've seen online i would have to say, and that includes what you refer to as bullshit river cards....they aren't bullshit btw...it just happens.
here's a small example from just one competition last week: dealer deals the flop Q Q Q. next hand but one flop comes again Q Q Q
on another table 4 ppl are in a hand, the hands are turned over and the players have AA, KK, QQ, JJ. bizarre huh. stuff like this happens all the time. get used to it.
and remember, everytime you lose on the river, someone else got lucky and won on it. also ppl only tend to remember the bad luck of losing on the last card but forget the times they win on the last card. i played online poker today and counted, i got a bad beat once on the river card...however i got lucky twice and beat an oppenent on the river card. which one sticks in my mind most....the one i lost of course.
also why would they fix the cards? it serves no purpose. the poker site get a pot rake no matter what cards come out. they're coining it in...they don't NEED to fix cards and risk losing their members should it ever come out. online poker is big business and customers are hard fought over.
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kid
from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:16 [#02137781]
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a digital slot machine does artificialy stack the odds against you, as do all fruit machines. look for the sticker on them that shows the percentage payout....that's how much it's stacked against you.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-10-25 23:31 [#02137783]
Points: 12102 Status: Regular | Followup to kid: #02137780
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Are you talking about card counting? There're plenty of programs that can play for you. As a croupier you don't know half of it or you wouldn't be dealing cards in the AM.
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kid
from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:41 [#02137785]
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i play also of course and have won real life competitions in other countries (a croupier in the UK was not allowed to play in other UK casinos until the law changed last month) and online competitions.
as for card counting...i'm not sure what you mean there, card counting is to do with black jack not poker. perhaps you mean something else.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-10-25 23:43 [#02137787]
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My mistake. I thought we were talking about Blackjack. Ignore me.
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Anus_Presley
on 2007-10-26 00:14 [#02137795]
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i wouldn't say it's rrigged, but i've given up on online pokerr. i lost farr too often.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2007-10-26 04:55 [#02137871]
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one thing that can feel a bit weird when you play a lot in real life and then on-line (or vice versa) is that on-line, the shuffling is perfect, as opposed to in real life where it's easy to have flops and hands coming again and again, due to "bad" shuffling, especially if you play with friends
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D-Steak
from Kansas City, Mo. (United States) on 2007-10-26 07:29 [#02137902]
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I actually saw one of those AA, KK, QQ, JJ hands the other night. That's rough as hell.
Anyway, from hours among hours of online and real life poker, in my own personal experience it is safe to say I've seen far more crazy scenarios online. I always try to consider that maybe it's because you see so many more hands per hour online than you do in a real card game.
I understand that online poker sites don't necessarily have anything to gain by determining a particular winner, but they do gain more money the faster they can bump players out to get them into another game. It sometimes feels like the cards come out, particularly on the first hand, to instigate more action.
I don't necessarily think its rigged, per se, but I do often wonder.
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big
from lsg on 2007-10-26 07:30 [#02137904]
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it's just because on-line is way faster so you see more hands
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-26 07:38 [#02137906]
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I only play for play money, but still some hands do seem as though something suprising will happen at the end, like pulling out 4 diamonds in a row from the deck just doesn't seem very likely in a real game. Though, chance is chance I guess.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2007-10-26 19:09 [#02138146]
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All artificial online gaming is fixed, don't touch it. If you want a legitimate chance of winning go to a real casino and play real cards or roulette, or a touch screen linked to a real table.
Of course casinos don't HAVE to fix machines, but they're in the business of making money, so guess what? They do.
That's not to say you can't win from online gaming, you can. It's just that the odds are even less. If you want proof that it's rigged, play a simple online game like Hi-Lo, the amount of times you get beat when the odds are astranomically in your favour is absurd.
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