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offline D-Steak from Kansas City, Mo. (United States) on 2007-10-25 21:36 [#02137765]
Points: 1376 Status: Regular



Is it rigged? Seems like it to me..

Do any other players out there see the same amount of
bullshit on the river card in a real game?

Apologies in advance for such a random topic.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2007-10-25 23:02 [#02137779]
Points: 16982 Status: Regular | Show recordbag



I've always wondered about online casinos, or even digital
slot-machines in real casinos. How do I know that a digital
slotmachine isn't artificially stacking the odds against me?


 

offline kid from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:14 [#02137780]
Points: 551 Status: Regular



it's not rigged.
i'm a croupier, i've dealt poker for a living for the last
nine years and strange things happen in the real game too,
even stranger than what i've seen online i would have to
say, and that includes what you refer to as bullshit river
cards....they aren't bullshit btw...it just happens.

here's a small example from just one competition last week:
dealer deals the flop Q Q Q. next hand but one flop comes
again Q Q Q
on another table 4 ppl are in a hand, the hands are turned
over and the players have AA, KK, QQ, JJ. bizarre huh. stuff
like this happens all the time. get used to it.

and remember, everytime you lose on the river, someone else
got lucky and won on it. also ppl only tend to remember the
bad luck of losing on the last card but forget the times
they win on the last card. i played online poker today and
counted, i got a bad beat once on the river card...however i
got lucky twice and beat an oppenent on the river card.
which one sticks in my mind most....the one i lost of
course.

also why would they fix the cards? it serves no purpose. the
poker site get a pot rake no matter what cards come out.
they're coining it in...they don't NEED to fix cards and
risk losing their members should it ever come out. online
poker is big business and customers are hard fought over.


 

offline kid from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:16 [#02137781]
Points: 551 Status: Regular



a digital slot machine does artificialy stack the odds
against you, as do all fruit machines. look for the sticker
on them that shows the percentage payout....that's how much
it's stacked against you.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2007-10-25 23:31 [#02137783]
Points: 12102 Status: Regular | Followup to kid: #02137780



Are you talking about card counting? There're plenty of
programs that can play for you. As a croupier you don't know
half of it or you wouldn't be dealing cards in the AM.


 

offline kid from mum (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-25 23:41 [#02137785]
Points: 551 Status: Regular



i play also of course and have won real life competitions in
other countries (a croupier in the UK was not allowed to
play in other UK casinos until the law changed last month)
and online competitions.

as for card counting...i'm not sure what you mean there,
card counting is to do with black jack not poker. perhaps
you mean something else.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2007-10-25 23:43 [#02137787]
Points: 12102 Status: Regular | Followup to kid: #02137785



My mistake. I thought we were talking about Blackjack.
Ignore me.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2007-10-26 00:14 [#02137795]
Points: 23472 Status: Lurker



i wouldn't say it's rrigged, but i've given up on online
pokerr. i lost farr too often.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2007-10-26 04:55 [#02137871]
Points: 3000 Status: Regular



one thing that can feel a bit weird when you play a lot in
real life and then on-line (or vice versa) is that on-line,
the shuffling is perfect, as opposed to in real life where
it's easy to have flops and hands coming again and again,
due to "bad" shuffling, especially if you play with friends


 

offline D-Steak from Kansas City, Mo. (United States) on 2007-10-26 07:29 [#02137902]
Points: 1376 Status: Regular



I actually saw one of those AA, KK, QQ, JJ hands the other
night. That's rough as hell.

Anyway, from hours among hours of online and real life
poker, in my own personal experience it is safe to say I've
seen far more crazy scenarios online. I always try to
consider that maybe it's because you see so many more hands
per hour online than you do in a real card game.

I understand that online poker sites don't necessarily have
anything to gain by determining a particular winner, but
they do gain more money the faster they can bump players out
to get them into another game. It sometimes feels like the
cards come out, particularly on the first hand, to
instigate more action.

I don't necessarily think its rigged, per se, but I do often
wonder.


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-10-26 07:30 [#02137904]
Points: 23711 Status: Lurker | Followup to D-Steak: #02137902 | Show recordbag



it's just because on-line is way faster so you see more
hands


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-26 07:38 [#02137906]
Points: 6427 Status: Lurker



I only play for play money, but still some hands do seem as
though something suprising will happen at the end, like
pulling out 4 diamonds in a row from the deck just doesn't
seem very likely in a real game. Though, chance is chance I
guess.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2007-10-26 19:09 [#02138146]
Points: 1767 Status: Lurker



All artificial online gaming is fixed, don't touch it. If
you want a legitimate chance of winning go to a real casino
and play real cards or roulette, or a touch screen linked to
a real table.

Of course casinos don't HAVE to fix machines, but they're in
the business of making money, so guess what? They do.

That's not to say you can't win from online gaming, you can.
It's just that the odds are even less. If you want proof
that it's rigged, play a simple online game like Hi-Lo, the
amount of times you get beat when the odds are
astranomically in your favour is absurd.


 


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