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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 04:06 [#02132472]
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Sorry for this very stupid question on big LCD tvs and games...
I've just got an LG 42LC55 42 inch LCD, and while the tv itself looks big and lovely and everything, I've tried out a couple of PS2 games on it (using an RGB cable) and they look appalling. It's not a case of it just being a bigger tv than I'm used to, making the game image appear stretched - there's some really weird pixelation going on - and I've tried all sorts of screen ratios and image settings.
I have a feeling that I'm missing something really obvious about these large HD tvs and using them to play older consoles that don't support the HD stuff. Perhaps I'll need to get an H.D dvd player and a Xbox360 in order for things to look at least acceptable on this thing?
Forgive my ignorance...
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2007-10-15 04:26 [#02132478]
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I've seen this with HD screens. Some shows (usually older ones that have not been formatted, also some games/devices) will look like they have terrible artifacts on the screen and it's slightly misshapen or squished. Is this what you mean?
I'm not sure about the problem, but I can feel your pain.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 04:29 [#02132479]
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Yes, that's a good description of what's going on...
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2007-10-15 04:37 [#02132481]
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I think it's all in the formatting. Is there a display formatting section in the reference manual?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 05:50 [#02132513]
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It's because LCD, as opposed to CRT, only has one resolution. All other content is scaled to fit that resolution by some internal computer in the screen. Consequently, only content with the same resolution as your screen (720p) will be displayed correctly. This, and the contrast level, is what makes LCD screens suck.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 05:56 [#02132514]
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try a VGA cable rather than RGB otherwise what Drunken Mastah said
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Joyrex
from watmm.com (United States) on 2007-10-15 07:45 [#02132548]
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Using Component (red, green, blue RCA-style connectors) is the best visual output you're going to get from a PS2. Make sure first of all that the PS2 itself is set to widescreen display (16:9) - this can be done by booting up the PS2 with the lid open or no game inside to get to the setup menu, and the output is set to Y'PbPr so it matches the cable you're using. If your LCD has a digital optical input, use a digital optical cable from the PS2 to the LCD or your home theatre receiver for pure digital audio.
Secondly, try changing the resolution on your LCD - my LG autodetects what the input resolution is, and some games (like Gran Tursimo 4, God of War II, etc. support 480p resolution (GT4 actually supports 1080i!), so check your game manuals for those features or search online.
Lastly, don't expect HD-quality visuals - the PS2 is only 480i standard, and on any display that upscales the visuals, it will look a bit more pixelated than what you were used to seeing on your traditional SDTV.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 07:48 [#02132554]
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You can't change the resolution of your LCD. You can pretend to, but it will just increase/decrease the size of each element displayed (like if you have a computer with an LCD, you can change the resolution, but the result is only that your icons and text will get bigger/smaller, and you'll most likely get artefacts). What your TV does, isn't about changing resolution, but it's about telling it what the input signal is, so that it can scale the picture "correctly."
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2007-10-15 09:01 [#02132643]
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maybe your tv lacks interpolation when upscaling to the native resolution, that would explain blocks and also distortions if it's not exactly double the source-resolution. maybe there is an upscaler device for your situation
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 16:54 [#02132958]
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Thank you for your helps, sirs. I will look into things. I think component cables rather than RGB ones would be a good start!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-10-15 17:51 [#02132968]
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er?
Component is RGB. Component is the three cables with red, green and blue, and then you can also have white (sometimes black) and red for sound. Composite is when you have only one, usually yellow, for image (plus the two for sound). A SCART is a huge (usually) black block thing with lots of small pins in it, and S-Video is small and round, much like what a PS2 keyboard or mouse would look like. Then there's HDMI, which looks kind of like a larger USB.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-10-15 17:56 [#02132971]
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Unless by RGB he means RGB over scart...although I think you are right in that he means composite.
Anyway my recommendation is get a PS3 and connect over HDMI. It does a very good job of upscaling PS2 titles even onto my 1080p set.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 18:09 [#02132975]
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hahaha that comes across as so condescending!
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-10-15 18:12 [#02132978]
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Especially when component isn't always RGB :)
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:11 [#02133017]
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Ah, thank you. I think I must have been getting composite and component mixed up. :-S
The only ones I've tried with the PS2 is the large black scart one and the composite (red, white, yellow.) I guess I'll have to give component a try. Or just save some money and get a PS3; I suppose MGS4 would make me feel a bit better for forking out the money when I really just want to make Rez, Okami, Ico and Silent Hill 2 look nice a pretty on the new tv.
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Princess Die
from Dublin (Ireland) on 2007-10-15 20:40 [#02133025]
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Did you get a new TV? What type is it?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-10-15 20:42 [#02133026]
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listen to our good friend ecnad, Playstation 3 + HDMI is the best solution for your old PS2 games. Unfortunately, the PS2 hardware itself is now obsolete. :(
If you can't afford the $600 dollars for a PS3, then I suppose you're sorted with drunken mastah's advice. :)
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:45 [#02133028]
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A steam powered 10 inch screened sex-rat fuckvision.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-10-15 20:47 [#02133030]
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Oh, and unfortunately I didn't buy it, I was given it by somebody who didn't want it anymore, she was not.
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