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bingob
on 2007-09-28 01:38 [#02125680]
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They say that piracy kills music, and they tell us to stop downloading and support the artist but I also heard that people who download mp3-files buy more music so it's also good, but how can it be right? Are they only lying to us? But if it is true they should tell us to download more and we will buy more, if it's not some reversed psychology and when they say "stop the downlaoding" they know that we think "yeah right" and download more, but also buy more. So are we tricked by the industry?
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 01:39 [#02125681]
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Don't think that your opinions are stupid, they are valuable and you see things from other directions and angles. You can reply.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 01:45 [#02125684]
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Where did you hear that people that download mp3's buy more music and why do you believe that? Why are you asking economical questions based on heresay? Answer those first and you'll have the answer to your other questions. Or just google it.
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 01:49 [#02125685]
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I read in in a newspaper. I am critical to media, but I don't think that article is lying, because the newspaper is good. Now you can answer my questions.
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 01:49 [#02125686]
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what is heresay?
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 01:56 [#02125689]
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What was the last 60 cd's mp3's records you bought?
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 02:00 [#02125690]
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What does that mean? The 60 cd's I already have as mp3? I don't remember. 60 cds! It's too much to remember!
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 02:01 [#02125691]
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Other people with just as valuable opinions?
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2007-09-28 02:03 [#02125692]
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Well it's true that since I started downloading music I have also bought more but I doubt that applies to most people...
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 02:05 [#02125693]
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You asked Tolstoyed for 60 of his interests? Surely that's not a hard number to reel off.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 02:06 [#02125694]
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I do a bit of both to be honest.
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diamondtron
on 2007-09-28 02:07 [#02125695]
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be careful how you interpret these messages
I perceive it as download and share whatever you like, few can afford everything, but wherever possible, do your best to buy your favourite originals new (especially the small independant young people) - because this way you are helping the people that make the music you love continue to do so. does that sound fair?
just coz someone says to buy the original it doesnt mean don't download. having said that mp3's do not sound as good as CD which do not sound as good as vinyl. but they are more versatile. you need records and mp3's - CD's are usually a waste of time unless it's ambient or classical or one of the very best producers or you have the vinyl already as well
I know this coz i have 5000 records, 500,000 mp3's and about 500 CD's and am a very happy person.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 02:27 [#02125702]
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I don't have too many mp3s, but the ones I have are placeholders: I'm looking for the albums on vinyl or cd, but some of them are hard to get, or just really really expensive like Takagi Masakatsu's Coieda.
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 02:44 [#02125704]
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But people doesn't forget their interests. But they forget the last cds they buy! You can't remember everyting!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 02:56 [#02125705]
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"But people doesn't forget their interests" Do you mean that people DON'T forget? I know I'm being pedantic and you are stupid so we understand each other. Which newspaper do you believe? It's bound to be from some backward place I'm sure.
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 02:59 [#02125706]
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Going through my stuff here I find that I've bought cd's for the aprox. amount of 300£ online over the last six months. And I guess I've spendt another 100£ in actual record shops. That's about 400£ for the record industry in six months...not bad is it? I can't say I feel very bad for downloading and I do buy records I really like after downloading them, if their worthy. I think all the fuzz comes from the really commercial wing of the industry and that it's all about greeeed!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:02 [#02125707]
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I wasn't going to say anything but I can't help it!
"But they forget the last cds they buy!"
They 'bought' you tenseless idiot.
" You can't remember everyting! "
This is the internets not Jamaica, It's 'everything'
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 03:05 [#02125708]
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English is my second language, and I have typos ok? Do you behave like this to all people you don't agree with?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-09-28 03:12 [#02125710]
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We do exist (people who buy more real releases as a result of hearing mp3s) All the following heard on MP3 first, all bought within the last year or so:
Andy Stott - Merciless Andy Stott - The Massacre EP Andy Stott - Handle with Care Burial - Burial (CD) Burial - Burial (LP) Burial - South London Boroughs Cyrus - From the Shadows Part I (LP) Cyrus - From the Shadows Part II (LP) Cyrus - From the Shadows Part III (LP) Cyrus - From the Shadows (CD) Kode 9 - 9 Samurai Kode 9 ft. Spaceape - Memories of the Future The Others - Underworld Loefah - Root/Goat Stare Loefah - Diskoh Rekka Loefah - Voodoo Scarecrow - Taken Scarecrow - Exorcist/Snakes and Ladders Deepchord - HR01 Deepchord - Vantage Isle Deechord - Coldest Season Part I (LP) Deechord - Coldest Season Part II (LP) Deechord - Coldest Season (CD) Mala - Bury Da Bwoy (2 copies) Mala - Left Leg Out Murdo - Bring Murda Casper - Cockney Violin Dubstep Allstars Vol 3 Dubstep Allstars Vol 5 Kromestar - Too many to list, about 8 releases. Skream - Skreamizm Vol 1 Skream - Skreamizm Vol 2 Skream - Skreamizm Vol 3 Tim Wright - Definately Wrong The Tuss - Whatever that EP is called (of course!) Emptyset - Acuphase EP Trentmoller - Moan About a dozen dubstep 12" whitelabels, not credited to anyone, eg "I don't give a Dub",
The Congos - Fisherman Style (6 * 7"s) NRON & Mik'd - Pull it Up Ghislain Poirier - They Wanna Know Little Dragon - Twice Rhythm & Sound/Cornell Campbell - King in my empire Rhythm & Sound/The Chosen Brothers - Making History
Only stopped because I ran out of characters, this list is well under half of what I have actually bought. Incidentally, I don't have the MP3s of 80%+ of these releases anymore- I keep getting in to trouble at work for the amount of MP3s on my machine. I only buy about 1 or 2% of my records based on recommendation/reputation without hearing them first these days. Too many disappointing releases bought that way of late. Radio accounts for about 5% of what I buy. 90%+ is MP
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:15 [#02125711]
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I wouldn't go on a french speaking forum hoping for the majority to understand my stupidity through translation.
I haven't agreed with you or otherwise, so I don't know what you mean (again).
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-09-28 03:16 [#02125713]
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+3!
Incidentally, I still haven't paid for any MP3s (aside from the semi-legal AllofMP3.com). I just can't bring myself to do it and it seems like a waste of money. I know people reckon it's the future, but I'd rather pay 3* the price and have a slab of vinyl in my hands. If it's CD only, I might buy it on CD if it's really good/I want to support the artist.
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 03:16 [#02125715]
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You are an asshole
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:17 [#02125716]
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I know, I'm just pulling the dupes chain before sleep.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-09-28 03:17 [#02125717]
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I've just realised there is one MP3 release I have paid cash money (okay paypal) for, that is the superb (and worth every penny) Grinning Ape one.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:18 [#02125719]
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Haha!
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PS
on 2007-09-28 03:25 [#02125721]
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Bingobob's original statement is probably true. People who download mp3's are the people who consume the most music, therefore they're more likely to buy cd's. It probably has more to do with age than anything else. It's a useless statement.
Most of the record stores near me have closed over the past few years. I don't think I could ever buy an mp3.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-09-28 03:28 [#02125727]
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I am going to start working on something for you in about 3 weeks time (a very belated thank you for the ER-1), any chance you could email me your address as I don't think the email addy I have for you is still valid?
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bingob
on 2007-09-28 03:29 [#02125728]
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Thanks!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:35 [#02125730]
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That'd be lovely!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2007-09-28 03:36 [#02125731]
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PS is as slow as you.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 03:44 [#02125736]
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New album
"Wall" By hanal
leaked on soulseek. Cover art:
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-09-28 03:45 [#02125737]
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mp3 sounds better than vinyl
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 03:50 [#02125738]
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nothing sounds better than you, though
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-09-28 06:02 [#02125766]
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With regard to the thread title,
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallwy where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." Hunter S. Thompson
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PS
on 2007-09-28 08:09 [#02125813]
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I'm not slow.
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diamondtron
on 2007-09-28 09:18 [#02125831]
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dariusgriffin: mp3 sounds better than vinyl
oh jesus, why didnt i realise that? I just encoded a record to mp3 with constant bitrate compression and yes indeed the quality has actually improved, wow! I'm going to use a hawthorn twig now instead of a cartridge to see if i can make it even better.
how on earth did you discover such a revelation, you truelly are a genius
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-09-28 09:38 [#02125837]
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thanks man
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 09:49 [#02125843]
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 09:50 [#02125845]
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sjalupp! Var du på supersilent på fredag?
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 09:51 [#02125846]
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Oh, my 4 year old daughter just posted that! I think she's a bit young to have an xltronic account..
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 09:57 [#02125848]
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I'd say she's the best poster we have.
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 09:59 [#02125849]
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Nei, desssssverrrre!
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 10:01 [#02125850]
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Var du? Det eneste jeg har vært på på evigheter var phonokonserten til Beneva Vs. Clark Nova på Kvarteret 2...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-09-28 10:06 [#02125852]
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Nei, jeg var sjuk, men jeg hadde et håp om en rapport.
Hmm.. de beneva vs clark nova folka la plutselig til Carlos og Pedro på myspace. Høres bra ut.
Skal du på Brad Mehldau 3 november?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2007-09-28 10:13 [#02125853]
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Nice quote.
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notmyname
from France on 2007-09-28 11:04 [#02125870]
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i recently changed my point of view towards cds recently when i got an excellent cd player. since that i'm rediscovering my cds collection & enjoy new details, various stuff. cds seems pretty underated these days. of course vinyls are the best (more warm, presence, whatever) but the lps qualities can differs from one to another.
for exemple, some old lps i bought (second handed) are not always perfect, it depends you need good wax or something, also eps can be expensive (see the latest planet e).
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-09-28 12:39 [#02125923]
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lol @ jivver and bingob.
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Co-existence
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-09-28 16:58 [#02126108]
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Beneva er en av mine aller beste venner. De slepper et album i oktober på den lille norske labelen Fenetre. Jeg har hørt litt av det og det virker meeeeget lovende. Du burde sende en demo til Fenetre. Jeg får forøvrig noen eksemplarer av beneva clark nova albumet når det kommer så da kan jeg jo muligens forære ett av dem til deg. Hmmmmmmm, rødvin :D
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2007-09-28 19:00 [#02126122]
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jaja lett
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2007-09-28 20:43 [#02126150]
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LFO is real good
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