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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-20 02:35 [#02104695]
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have you seen this yet? kinda makes you want to change your life, huh?
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-07-20 02:50 [#02104698]
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what do you mean
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-07-20 02:53 [#02104700]
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It makes me want to create good documentaries that don't try to distort reality to make it fit into a neat little boring narrative. That's about how life-changing it is.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-07-20 02:54 [#02104701]
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Where do I sign up? :D
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-20 03:41 [#02104724]
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Infecting kids with retarded memes since 1983.
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hexane
on 2007-07-20 04:15 [#02104729]
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"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
these kids are far too young to be exposed to religious ideas, at least wait until they're older before filling their heads with that stuff. it is possible to raise children to have faith with a more subtle and graceful approach - yea that may take time, love and effort - unlike the lazy attempt shown here
dariusgriffin:> i dunno about all that, it kinda speaks for itself really...and i can't hear any narration.
no wait, you're referring to all the positive things that this doco left out? how would you have gone about making this doco differently? not having a go at ya, just curious. im sure what ive written above doesn't apply to all religious families, regardless of being christian or not
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-20 04:30 [#02104732]
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"it is possible to raise children to have faith with a more subtle and graceful approach - yea that may take time, love and effort - unlike the lazy attempt shown here "
that was a nice point
though maybe the parents feel inadequate and think you can never have too much jesus
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-20 04:36 [#02104734]
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If you're a man and you love Jesus, you're gay.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-20 04:43 [#02104735]
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There's a segment in this where you see how the kids are home-schooled, and you also get to see what they watch on tv. All religious things. They're never exposed to anything else at all. This gives the children a sense of knowing there is a god instead of believing there is a god, which kind of is the least Christian thing you can do.
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hexane
on 2007-07-20 05:12 [#02104740]
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What got to me was that saccharine sweetness of character...it speaks through the children a number of times during that trailer; i certainly wasn't cringeing, but it was something equally as unpleasant
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-07-20 08:00 [#02104784]
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Yep. Ironically, I think this makes their faith weaker in the long run as when they are exposed to outside influences in later life (which, unless they live like the Amish for the rest of their lives) it will all come crumbling down. Look how many poor amish kids get fucked up when they spend their two years out in the "real world".
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-07-20 08:03 [#02104785]
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*rest of their lives +', they will be'
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-07-20 08:25 [#02104790]
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I believe the Amish are a bad example. I think they do spend a year or so in "the real world", but most of them find the dishonesty and general crappyness of the real world enough to make them want to return to the Amish communities.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-07-20 08:46 [#02104793]
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I was talking more about the ones who elect to stay in the outside world, a lot of them wind up as drug addicts. It's comparatively few who choose to stay in the outside world, but live as 'normal' well adjusted members of society.
Arguably, a great many of them who return to their communities precisely because as you say, the outside world shakes them so much, rather than a religious one (I recognise this is hard to quantify- few would admit this for fear of being outcast).
Although it's to a lesser extent, I have some old friends who I don't see any more because they only associate with groups of other Christians (I'm a Christian, but most of my friends are not). They go to church, they work in Christian jobs, they only see and interact with other Christians, they date and marry other Christians, they aren't really interested in seeing any none-Christian friends unless there's a chance of converting them etc. I think that's a weaker sort of faith than what I have.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2007-07-20 08:57 [#02104797]
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I think I miss read your post the first time.
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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-20 10:28 [#02104825]
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all the girls will become whores at the age of 15. it always happens that way.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-20 15:51 [#02104935]
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That kid who wants to be a preacher has all the tricks down already. I think he's a gold digger.
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afxNUMB
from So.Flo on 2007-07-20 15:57 [#02104942]
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Hey to each his own. If the parents of these little twerps want to believe that taking their child here would turn them into good Christian me & women...hey you might be right, but there are gonna be a few that would reject it all together. Let developed minds make a decision.
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OK
on 2007-07-20 16:16 [#02104949]
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2007-07-20 16:29 [#02104954]
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It's not a question of bias or anything, and I think the people running the camp are fucks. It's just, I don't know, it seems like the material was simplified in order to create an easy to follow narrative, with interesting characters emerging and going on adventures of some kind, etc. I have noticed this a lot in recent American documentaries. And it's a shame, because the subject here was great, it could have been fantastic.
I have nothing about distorting reality, it's great, but it should produce something new and original and fun, not just some dumbed-down approximation of life as seen through a haze of conventional narrativity.
I'm writing unreadable garbage because I want to.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-07-21 06:02 [#02105205]
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the most important things we can teach our children are to be honest, both to themselves and to others, and to question everything.
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Dozer
on 2007-07-21 08:40 [#02105260]
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Whoa that shit is pure evil! Kinda scary :/
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-21 08:58 [#02105264]
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I'm using that as a quote.
Ha HA.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2007-07-21 09:00 [#02105266]
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not clicking !
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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-21 12:00 [#02105332]
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click away, its only a video of brainwashed children
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-21 12:08 [#02105333]
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It is cringe worthy though and i'm not Christian. Or American.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2007-07-21 12:09 [#02105334]
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if any of you have actually seen this movie, its a fucking horror show.
scariest thing id seen in ages, these people are the true definition of evil - intolerance, zealotry, and ignorance seem to the be three pillars of the evangelist faith.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2007-07-21 12:09 [#02105335]
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you've convinced me !
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TonePu5her
from lincoln !UK! (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-21 12:16 [#02105340]
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Has anybody seen any videos on Nazis? Apparently there are people who BELIVE in that too.
Its a fucking sick world. I don't understand Religions.
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OK
on 2007-07-21 12:23 [#02105345]
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something has to be done about fanatics
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2007-07-21 12:32 [#02105352]
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also:
Boom Tsk Boom Boom TskBoom Boom KaTsk Pssshboowow Boom Tsk Boom Boom TskBoom Boom KaTskOh Yeah
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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-21 14:03 [#02105384]
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that sounds like a number 1 jam
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2007-07-21 14:10 [#02105388]
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you're damn straight it is
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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-21 15:31 [#02105425]
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now i think less of it
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-07-27 16:09 [#02107066]
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it's hitler youth all over again, only this time they've replaced hitler with jesus... or maybe i'm thinking of the same person?
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