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staz
on 2007-07-11 14:31 [#02101890]
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ahahaha TERRIBLE SHIT
sony's was the best, though, because of the brilliant MGS4 trailer.
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2007-07-11 14:42 [#02101897]
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admit you loved the rock concerts during the M$ conference.
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gyroscope
on 2007-07-11 14:46 [#02101898]
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so far the best, biggest news for me is the announcement that not only is forever blue being released in north america, but in october as well!
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-07-11 15:24 [#02101910]
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The MS one was cringeworthy in places. The guy who kept pausing ROCK BAND was hilarious though.
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staz
on 2007-07-11 16:16 [#02101940]
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yeah, peter moore. i usually tolerate him, but he was pretty damn clumsy.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-11 16:18 [#02101943]
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Shadow Moses was just NINE YEARS before MGS4? omgwtf
Killzone owned E3 though, as one of the 37 card-carrying members of the Killzone 1 Defense Force, I knew Guerrilla was going to dominate now that they're not developing on shitty hardware.
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clayhillpeak
from Vuh (China) on 2007-07-11 16:21 [#02101946]
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early 2008 is going to be great. for anyone who hasnt seen it yet, here's the MGS4 trailer
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-07-11 16:22 [#02101948]
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cheers, just looking for that actually!
seems to be the only reason to own that console, and its delayed yet again...
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OK
on 2007-07-11 16:24 [#02101949]
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is that the new one? ok why i ask i'm gonna see myself. if it's not, maybe you can link to the new one hwile i wait till this one loads?
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-07-11 16:37 [#02101955]
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Awesome trailer. God, I hope this gets a release on the 360/PC.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-07-11 16:41 [#02101958]
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I'm buying a PS3 after the price cut.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-11 16:46 [#02101959]
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Frankly I'm amazed that there wasn't an ''MGS4 to 360!!!!'' megaton at E3. Amazed. How are they going to recoup the jillions they spent on this game by releasing it for the PS3 alone? I expected a timed exclusive for PS3 and then a port to 360 later.
Then again the PS3's future is looking up up up.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-07-11 17:12 [#02101961]
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I think its more than likely it'll end up on the 360 at some point. Maybe Sony are paying them to keep quiet about the announcement until after the game is first released for the PS3. If news of MGS's arrival to the 360 came at E3, not only would heads roll, but wallets would point squarely in MS' direction.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-11 17:52 [#02101967]
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But why would M$ keep their mouths shut? It would be pretty unprecedented for a massive AAAAA game like this to be on the way to a console and nobody says a thing about it. If MGS really is on the way to 360, Peter Moore must be never be able to get a good night's sleep, knowing this secret.
It's possible Konami might demand M$ to shut up about it OR ELSE. That way they can release Original MGS4 on the PS3 and THEN they can put out the usual enhanced Metal Gear Solid 4 on 360 6 months later and rack up more sales as MGS fanboys buy the game again (I know I will). I dunno. It all just seems so strange and illogical to me.
It might be unrealistic but I would hope they're putting so much content on the Blu-Ray disc that it wouldn't be feasible to have a 360 version. Anyway it doesn't really matter, it'll just be interesting to see how it plays out. I think I expect something like MGS2 for Xbox, a shitty port, way too late.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-11 18:59 [#02101975]
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God damned, don't taint the game by restricting its size because "get it on the 360 yeah, make lotsa money yeah"
It's supposed to come with original Japanese voices, etc, etc, stuff that hopefully, paired with graphics and stuff like that, makes it too large for a fucking dvd.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-11 19:05 [#02101977]
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Oooo! Trailer has 1984 references!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-12 02:09 [#02102038]
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Only the power of the Cell Processor can capably render such exquisite pants pooping.
BTW Silent Hill 5 was announced to little fanfare, with a pointless 20 second teaser with a GODawful voice over, and a screenshot that looks like a PS2 game.
Damn.
I always imagined SH5 would be some transcendental visual arts feast. Oh well, time will tell. I like the premise though, playing as a soldier coming home from overseas. Shades of Jacob's Ladder, which of course influenced the series' style anyway.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-12 02:31 [#02102040]
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Oh wow, SH5 isn't even being handled by the original team. Alarming.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 04:04 [#02102045]
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whew
kojima apparently denied there would be a 360 version.
That's probably what happened to SH: It's for both platforms.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-12 05:03 [#02102050]
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At least MGS4 looks a bit more exciting than 3. That was a piece of shit. In fact the only good one has been the first one.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-12 05:59 [#02102054]
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Mario Galaxy looks pretty swish. Killzone looks impressive. Infamous trailer isn't too enticing. Haze. Its nice to see a new Free Radical FPS but that trailer is awful!
Little Big Planet just keeps looking better and better with every thing I see. This for me is the reason to get a PS3.
Mario Kart Wii looks like more Mario Kart. Online is nice but I actually laughed out loud at the Wii Wheel.
Army Of Two. 'Think of Bad Boys.' Oh no.
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edga
on 2007-07-12 06:30 [#02102062]
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so no plans from the ICO folks?
i also wonder what will be the next Kojima project. ZOE was boring, Policenauts was in japanese, Snatcher was very much yummy.
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staz
on 2007-07-12 07:39 [#02102070]
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Mario Galaxy looks really great! BEE SUIT! :D Mario is still heartwarmingly great to see in a new platform game!
Mario Kart Wii looks like Mario Kart DD which was a blast to play with friends, so I'm excited if they just add new tracks and some fresh powerups.
Killzone, as generic as the premise may be, entices me. I just like well built FPS-es, and so far it looks really good.
Call of Duty 4 impressed me a lot when they demoed it. I got my 360 with CoD2 and it's still one of the best games on the platform. Very cool lighting/animation going on, and I'm a sucker for just that. More so that poly count.
I agree, Haze looks awful! I loved Free Radical's Timesplitters 2, that was probably their pinnacle of gameplay right there. Perfect balance of the Goldeneye type shit and some new directions! Loved the insane amount of unlockables and challenges. Haze looks terribly generic and just ... underwhelming.
Stranglehold looks like a slightly beefed up Xbox 1 game. Uninteresting slow motion (get over it) and boring hype. I'm more interested in seeing Alan Wake from Remedy, the Max Payne thing is sooo over.
Army of Two looks alright. Eh, whatever.
Assassin's Creed looks shittier and shittier for each time they show it. First time it looked pretty amazing, now it just looks like a badly executed stealth game. Fix it!
MGS4's trailer was as I said quite overwhelming. Fantastic video by Kojima as always. The MGS story has always been too cheesy and over the top for my tastes, even though the trailers always manage to wow the shit out of me, so I'm interested to see how it actually plays. Not too impressed by the previous games, so let's see how this one goes.
edga: ZOE is probably going to see more iterations, I think Kojima's still pretty into it.
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edga
on 2007-07-12 09:36 [#02102107]
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after i read a while ago how sick he was making the same thing all over and over again (mgs), me thinks he'd want to try something totally new (and if memory serves me right, he actually said something in that vein). though knowing he made a sequel to it (zoe), i guess that wouldn't be a big surprise.
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2007-07-12 09:45 [#02102110]
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cross your fingers for a new ZoE sequel. that would be raaaaaaaad+
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OK
on 2007-07-12 11:10 [#02102124]
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If you plug a controller in while watching the trailer it feels like you're playing the game already!!!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-12 12:44 [#02102151]
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I'm just irritated by the lack of gameplay in the MGS trailers. Just the slightest taste of it, whereas with the trailers for MGS3 (easily the best game in the series, Indeksikal u so crazy) they showed him stalking through the jungle, fucking peeps up in increasingly sinister ways. It was intoxicating. The Octocam looks great but dang, show me what sneaking through that city is going to feel like, show the IN-GAME animation. That's what's most important these days when it comes to presentation.
But I guess it doesn't really matter, it's Metal Gear, there's no doubt it's going to play great and bring lots of new ideas to the table. Nothing wrong with focusing on the narrative, given that everything else is a... given.
Also some of the textures are jarringly low resolution in places, last-gen quality. It's irksome because the SEXBOMB character models stick out against them. I keep waiting for them to bring them up to par, but with each successive trailer, they never do.
Unfortunately Kojima is probably going to do some shallow Wii game after this, not another ZOE.
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OK
on 2007-07-12 12:53 [#02102156]
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as i said, just hold a controller and watch and you'll actually be playing part of the game
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-12 12:59 [#02102157]
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MGS gameplay doesn't remotely resemble anything in that trailer, it's not really indicative of anything. The animations were entirely preset.
To be fair the one before this had glimpses of some characteristically quirky Kojima gameplay details, like the little robot electrocuting people and Snake turning himself into a rolling projectile of death. But again, it was all staged and choreographed. I badly want to see him actually demonstrate the game in real-time, but I can understand why they haven't done it yet. The story and premise is so great, there's no immediate need.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 13:00 [#02102158]
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Previous videos of mgs4 show lots and lots of gameplay!
How the fuck do people enjoy ZOE? I played it once, and it was just endless slaughter of flying robotic enemies. Boring.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-12 13:06 [#02102159]
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They haven't shown any actual gamplay yet, just staged gameplay elements, carefully edited, and viewed from unnatural cinematic angles not representative of what the actual game will feel like.
Which is fine, it's just to tease, but it's not the same as a gameplay demo. But they never really do that with MGS games anyway, they have that swagger and don't need to prove anything. And it tortures me, so I complain like this.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-07-12 15:05 [#02102182]
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Wipeout HD look fucking nice. I deffo want a ps3 now.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2007-07-13 04:03 [#02102383]
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I think I read that there is a MGS4 playable demo at another convention next week.... but don't quote me on it.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-13 04:34 [#02102386]
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It's enough to give you a good idea, though.. the main thing is that the story is good, though, this being the end of solid snake and all...
Is there anything new on the FF front on this thing?
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-13 05:17 [#02102394]
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Yeah at TGS I think, if thats the one coming up next week. Kojima mentions it in his introduction to the new trailer.
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OK
on 2007-07-13 08:27 [#02102422]
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it's a joke referencing the many many cut scenes in mgs games... maybe mgs4 is all a cut scene?
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-13 13:09 [#02102466]
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Yeah, I might get a ps3 eventually since i heard its backward compatible with ps1/ps2. I've yet to try a stupid ass 'lets evolve the controller in a shit direction to be mimicked by all future consoles for all eternity' wii.
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gyroscope
on 2007-07-13 13:11 [#02102468]
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worst e3 ever.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-07-13 13:11 [#02102469]
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Even the nes metal gear sucked, a feature that has been well preserved on modern versions.
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gyroscope
on 2007-07-13 13:37 [#02102475]
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i liked it.
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OK
on 2007-07-13 13:52 [#02102476]
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they do that all the time don´t they?
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-13 14:39 [#02102492]
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The NES version is a messed up port of the REAL Metal Gear for MSX anyway, so neener neener you don't have a weiner.
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gyroscope
on 2007-07-13 14:51 [#02102497]
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looks like the ps3 price cut was a white lie.
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staz
on 2007-07-14 02:55 [#02102643]
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MS2 for NES was awesome, fu.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-07-17 21:05 [#02103646]
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Indeed, no video but I like what I hear so far
Gamespot link
''While keeping his gun pointed at the enemy, Snake used his other hand to frisk for items all over the soldier's body''
Can't wait to feel these guys up, the holdups were a blast and they're expanding the CQC system... gravy.
''He also seems to have gained a new move that involves delivering a death grip to an enemy's crotch, rendering that person unconscious in an instant.''
Hysterical and distinctly Metal Gear, gotta have crotch grabs. I loved grabbing people's crotches until they passed out in Subsistence Online, but letting them live, violated and shamed.
Kojima went on to confirm that gamers would be able to play through the whole game in a first-person view, and showed how the Sixaxis' motion-sensing can be used to duck and peek around corners.
After momentarily scoffing at Metal Gear in 1st person, I realized that I constantly switch between 1st and 3rd person views in Thief 3 and Hitman games, it's a great option to have, especially in enclosed areas, and you're never forced to use either view. Plus there's something to be said about stealth in first person and not having omnipotent views around corners and the like that you wouldn't have in real life, the first 2 Thief games were particularly immersive because of that. But freedom is always good, a crazier game like this needs 3rd person as well. The Sixaxis leaning thing should be awesome if properly implemented.
Overall, Guns of the Patriots defaults to the same kind of third-person view as previous MGS installments
Unclear writing, surely he means the Subsistence camera? The old style would be unacceptable now, Kojima said so himself so I'm going to assume whoever wrote this sucks as journalism. Apparently the aiming mechanic is a ripoff of Gears of War, which is great news.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-18 02:53 [#02103675]
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I always thought of the third-person view as Snake's special ability: Mantis has psychic powers, Raven has.. something, Wolf has sniping, etc, and Snake's power is infiltration; his senses are heightened (like they say the genome soldiers' senses are (how bad do normal soldiers see?) so he can accurately predict what is around the corner without watching.
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