 |
|
You are not logged in! F.A.Q Log in Register |
 |
|
 |
 Now online (1)belb ...and 85 guests Last 5 registered Oplandisks nothingstar N_loop yipe foxtrotromeo Browse members... |
 |
Members 8025Messages 2614067 Today 11 Topics 127540 |
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I have 7 shits in the step sequencer and I sent them all to the piano roll. So now I have 7 layers in the piano roll I guess (one layer colored at a time, the rest grey). Can't I copy all 7 layers of that crap at once and paste it on the next bar, or do I have to copy and paste each layer individually? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
go out of piano roll and back to the sequencer - right click - Copy, then go to pattern 2 and right-click - Paste. Or if it's one bar within the same pattern, go into piano roll, choose the SELECT icon, highlight the note, CTRL C then scroll to the beginning of the next bar and CTRL V ... If that's what you mean my dear friend. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I think you meant the 'playlist', but I eventually right click 'clone selected' pattern 1 in the playlist, which made pattern 2 a seperate editable copy of 1 so that worked. As far as I can tell, simply making the entire song a big long stream in the piano roll makes more sense (why break into seperate patterns; all that does is make a hassle of seperate parts you can't see all at once. And why use the step sequencer for anything; all that does is make patterns that you can't edit in the piano roll) 'Or if it's one bar within the same pattern, go into piano roll, choose the SELECT icon, highlight the note, CTRL C then scroll to the beginning of the next bar and CTRL V ' There I did that now, thanks. (only it still only does one layer at a time so I'd have to do it 7 seperate times) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
If you break it into patterns you can have 'sequences' which are easier to manage... I do both, depending on the style of thing I'm making... most often I don't use FL to sequence a track, though sometimes I do (like PARTISAN was all FL). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Now I made shit beat 1 (16 beats) in pattern 1 and shit beat 2 (16 beats) in pattern 2. Can't I play beat 1-4 of pattern 1, then 4-8 of pattern 2, etc (dice them up into pieces and alternate between parts of the them both?) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yes, but you'd have to make your patterns shorter... more choice equals more choice. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Um... FL seems like a weak tool that is only good for hammering out something conventional quickly. I'm messing with a clap sound in the piano roll. I want to do some sort of interesting effect like stretch the clap out to a longer length and have it's pitch slide upwards from beginning to end. All I can find is a chop tool. This doesn't 'chop' the clap though, just makes many seperate claps, each of which start at the beginning of the clap sound. (by chop I mean a sound like BLAAAMMMOOOo would become: BLA-AAM-MMO-OOo (diced into 4 pieces) instead of how it 'chops': BLA-BLA-BLA-BLA (the same thing copied 4 times) With modplug tracker you can chop a wav into pieces with a Oxx command, like: c-5 07 O01 d-5 07 O02 e-5 07 O03 f-5 07 O04 g-5 07 O05 a-5 07 O06 b-5 07 O07 c-6 07 O08 would play sample 07 (say a clap wav file) in 8 divided increments and slide up (chunkily though) from c-5 up to the next octave c-6 I don't get fruity loops and have no idea how someone like orange dust can make complex interesting stuff with it. It just seems like a limited tracker where you have blocks in your path from being able to select and organize stuff. The only interesting thing I see you can't do in a tracker is change the filter resonance or something over time. Is there anything cool to do with this program that I'm missing? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you two are both tards, work it out you two, work it out love, terd |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you can put the clap into the "fruity slicer" and make what you want to do. also - dunno what version you are on but you can edit samples in the piano roll in fl7 (fl6 too i think) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you can use the wave traveller plugin that comes with it it's like slowing down a record and shit |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
"you can edit samples in the piano roll in fl7 (fl6 too i think) " - tell me more. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
How do you use fruity slicer? I see a tool called 'slice', but that just chop/copies stuff, not actually slices. Also how do you use any plugins actually like 'wave traveller' or other? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
The help file in FL is good - have you maybe tried looking at it perhaps? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It's a lot easier and quicker to just ask for me. I also can't read (but already have a program that converts xlt text-only to a form I can understand, snorts and face punches). I did find the plugins in the mixer though... this is cool since you can combine multiple effects (I never even used plugin effects before). But what if I want, say, 8 claps all in a row and each next clap slightly increases the 'fruity squeeze' and 'fruity reverb' (or do you just have to apply the effects evenly to all?) |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You can use the EDIT EVENTS window to apply dynamic effects. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You can do what Marlo said and edit the events, or you can create an envelope, or you can load an instance of the formula controller in an FX slot to create a semi chaotic LFO automation source and use it to control your knobbers. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I clicked around for 15 minutes and can't find an 'edit events' area/window. The help file briefly mentions an 'event editor' but doesn't say how to access it. I don't know how to make an envelope or any of that.. Can you directly save output from the fruity scratcher to a wav file or something/ or maybe save output to the piano roll? Sorry I'm such a tard. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
you could just post an audio sample made in modplug and ask someone to make something similar in floops and send you the flp file ? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
marlowe: like this didn't you know about that ? |
||||||||
| Attached picture | |||||||||
|
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
It comes with some 'tutorial' tracks but I wasn't able to make much sense of those. I messed with the 'fruity scratcher' though and finally recorded stuff so it plays in the piano roll. This seems like it could be great if I can figure it out. You can't see what you recorded or chop off stuff and make it fit in the bar/etc. Maybe the mixer help file won't be shit. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
How do you go there and see wav shapes like that (piano roll?). All I see is blocks in the piano roll. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
protip: you can do the same with patterns too like this |
||||||||
| Attached picture | |||||||||
|
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
what version are you on ? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I'm on fl studio 7. Now I see the thing I just recorded back over on the step sequencer as pattern 1. First I made a gay beat that was 16 beats long then recorded some gay fruity scratcher scratches to go along with the beat. The scratches are much longer though and can't cut off all the excess sound to fit them to 16 beats. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
I use FL7; I didn't know about that but I don't generally use samples, except percussion hit samples. Useful looking tool though, for future reference, thanks. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Oh yeah, I see the pattern one in the playlist window. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
(I figured out how to slice/cut off remaining). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
listen, try it like this: tak that scratcher for example and send it to a channel on the mixer (i'm sure you know how to do that) now, how i did it on the picture below, click the little discette-icon on the bottom of the desired channel. they will ask you to name a file and choose a directory. at the transport panel (where there is play stop pause and so on, choose "song" and not "pattern" now, click the arm button (nearby the play button, it's looking like "record" with a dot in the middle) and afterwards hit play. now the song that you made plays normally. when it gets to the end of the last dot on the playlist you will see that it won't stop or jump to the beginning but it will just go on. so you hit the stop button. now at the bottom of the playlist should appear the waveform of the thing that you recorded - you can now edit, cut, paste make shit whatever you like with it. |
||||||||
| Attached picture | |||||||||
|
|||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Ian, Ian, Ian. FL Studio is actually a very deep program, and it will take you much more than an afternoon and a few zilty posts to get to the bottom of it. Why, even a person of moderate intelligence like Marlo here can use it for years and not learn all of its nooks and crannies. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
This is butt fuckingly stupid. I seriously think it would be easier to figure out how to code an entire similar program from the ground up myself than figure out their counterintuitive WTF mustard covered horse cocks. I recorded some lame scratches and have NO data in the playlist, step sequencer or piano roll (I havn't drawn any blocks anywhere and I didn't make any beat in the retard step sequencer. But despite this, every time I press play (with 'PAT' selected) it plays that thing I just recorded (doesn't that mean 'play the pattern'... well I never put it in a pattern, as 'pattern 1' is blank in the playlist.) And why j ijgw a is there a seperate lower half to the playlist, and what is the point of 'main automation'. If I click on the lower half, that thing I recorded appears, but even if I slice off half of it, the whole thing still plays. Even if I delete it, it plays. It shouldn't take a half an hour and counting to figure out the most trivial of things. Fuck this program. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
You get the slice tool and slice off a block that is sticking out too far in pattern 4 and what does it do; makes a copy of pattern 4 on pattern 5. That makes a whole lot of fucking sense. Anyway my problem was I wasn't putting stuff in seperate patterns I guess, not that you get much visual cue when you're in a new pattern. I finally cut off the end of the long wav only when it was in a seperate pattern. It's stupid that the step sequencer keeps all the sounds of all previous patterns too. I'm gonna see if I can find out how to access the program's balls in the help file so I can kick them. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
listen - you can make everything in one pattern and the slice it up like i did above on the botton part of the playlist. fuck this bocky bullshit above. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
get the fl studio bible |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
If you find FL too sonfusing try Synapse Orion it's just like FL Studio but with a much better interface and it's a million times easier to understand and use for a newbie. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
or try |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
so i was playing around with fl and how come i send a synth to a fx channel, adjust some send knobs and if i hit stop and then play the whole thing ressets to where the synth doesn'y have any fx channel assigned, and the send knobs reset to 0. it's really fucking annoying and i don't see anyreason why this should be happening. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
ok i figured innit song withthis positions solves the problem but i still don't understand how this happened in the first place since othe channels have their right fx assigned and i didin't have to innit the setting. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
That kind of happens to me if I know what you mean. I insert WASP into step sequencer, then fiddle with the 'cut' knob until I like it. Then I move it to fx1 channel. Then I add reverb (right click the knobs and 'edit events' has awesome results since you can combine many different effects (but drawing is to freakin analogue, I just want to digitally say '100 units of reverb here, 80 there, etc'). But I often find the 'cut' knob I altered previously is back to its original position. But you can do stuff like edit effects of the cut knob on TOP of the reverb effects/etc etc which is awesome. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Also I got a lot of help from google video tutorials (warbeats tutorials- the one about using the vocoder is great; that's an awesome tool). I'm starting to like fruity loops but definately don't feel like I can organize stuff how I want it yet. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Now I think it sucks again. Say I make a melody like this: c--e--g---b-e-g- First of all, say I initially make it shifted like this: g---b-e-g-c--e-- Well if you decide that shift sucks later on, you have to reshift every single pattern, thanks to the rigid ass blocks. Also say I want to make every other note (e,b,g) have one decay value or something while the rest have another. Well drawing in the events editor is way too analogue (snapping to grad has no effect) to do that easily, plus you can't even see where the notes are you want to add the effect to in the events editor. You should just click on a note in the piano roll and tell it an exact number of any effect (only a few like velocity/panning are available in the piano roll) instead of using analogue bars/knobs/drawing. If you need to do gradual change you can set the first to 0, the last to 128 then highlight all and use some sort of gradiant tool. You tend to have a small gap in the drawing of effects at the end because you have to stop the effect before the next bar or it will play the next bar. You could just add another duplicate sample to the step sequencer and set one sample to one value and the other to another. But now you have two seperate patterns that were hard enough to copy and paste before they were seperated. I might just use fl studio only to make individual wav files to use with a different program. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Oh lord, then you use like 5 different effect edits and later notice the pattern has a long gap at the end meaning one of those effect edits has a line you accidently drew in the 2nd bar. Well now you have to search each knob to find out which one it is. I mean there's 16 units there; isn't it obvious to have no effect go beyond that? And stuff that should be so simple isn't. What if I want patterns composed of 14 blocks instead of 16. And not to mention every single time I use a pencil or brush I draw it one unit further to the right than I meant since it's retardedly unprecise (if you want to draw in the very first block you practically have to hit a note on the key before it). |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
yeah i preffer reason. it took me ages to figure out floops completly. now i forgot all + new features = confusion. reason's sequencer makes life much much easier. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
So, I managed to right click some knob and select 'edit events IN PIANO ROLL' once. Now when I right click the same knob I see the following menu, all of which are in bold clickable print as normal EXCEPT: Reset Edit events Edit events in new window (light grey/unclickable) Edit events in piano roll (light grey/unclickable) Init song with this position Create automation clip Link to controller... Copy value Paste value (light grey/unclickable) What gives? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Now it works again god knows why. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
This is dumb; apparently, when editing an effect in the piano roll, the very last bar of the effect has to be zero. If it is set to any other value, it thinks it extends beyond the length of the current value and plays a bunch of blank silent space you don't want it to play. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
Yes, that can be pretty annoying. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
No, marloaw, you're supposed to say, oh that's easy to fix just press shift y or something. It is my great displeasure to introduce my first fruity loops track: |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
hmm, on second thought maybe that won't matter as long as you put the patterns close together in the playlist. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
| |||||||||
|
|
That definately smells like fruity loops. Wow, this is the topper... I spent like a half an hour doing some tedious note stuff, then went to save it, with this prompt: "some of the plugins are limited demo versions and will be deleted before you save. continue saving?" uh, sigh, yes, ...I guess *click* Oops, sorry, everything you did is permanently erased now! Thanks for telling me that some are limited unsavable demo versions, fl studio asshats! And which ones they are would help so I could permanently delete them... hmm, I guess to make saving functional, without like, erasing entire patterns? I guess I could use one plugin at a time then try saving it and if it gives that prompt, delete the plugin.. fun! And some shit as basic as 'wasp' was just a demo? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
Messageboard index
|
|||||||||
