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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-06-21 22:15 [#02096017]
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surprised no-one's posted this already
Reason 4 preview
i must say, i'm looking forward to tinkering around with this.
hope my legal copy of Reason 2.5 is eligble for upgrade
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-21 22:23 [#02096018]
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Yeah, looking forward to messing around with this myself. This time I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.... When 3 came out, I thought it was a piece of shit update, but now I couldnt imagine life without the Combinator...
There are several things in 4 that look like they will become invaluable elements of the workflow.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2007-06-21 22:27 [#02096020]
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with the new modular synth and the combinator....that stuff is off the hook
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cx
from Norway on 2007-06-21 22:32 [#02096021]
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i used reason for 4 years or so then switched to flstudio, but im dying to see what this feels like never the less.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-06-22 00:11 [#02096025]
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I am extremely excited about the modular synth, the 'hardware' arpegiator, and the rhythm mixer thing. I could give 2 shits about updates to the sampler or pre existing synths. They work as good as they need.
Now, I really wish they had updated some of the effects. Not that they don't have a decent selection, but I would like to see some better choices insofar as their phaser and flanger. As well, a nice simple modeled tape delay unit would top things up nicely.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-22 00:39 [#02096029]
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I share the same sentiment. As do many in the Props forums. But for what its worth, to that concern someone had replied the following:
Two distortion units, two reverbs, two compressors, two EQs, phaser, chorus/flanger, unison, delay (+ delay in Thor + delay in RV7000), limiter, stereo enhancer, vocoder, filter (+ audio input on Thor and Malström for using their filters). And to top it off you can build crazy multi-FX using Combinator.
As far as I can tell, those are all the FX in the book, except maybe a harmonizer/octaver
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-06-22 00:49 [#02096032]
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The flanger and phaser do not sound good. They need some better sounding ones that don't sound so phoney.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-06-22 02:51 [#02096045]
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Also, whilst the one is reason 3 was an improvement (and for certain styles scream's tape compression works well), they still need to add a better compressor, IMO.
Thor looks good though, almost like a cross between NI's Massive and reFX's Vanguard. The sound samples are largely good, but a couple of them do sound bit like Reason's existing synths fed through a couple of FX, but the real proof will be in having a play with it.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-06-22 02:55 [#02096047]
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Yes. I hope they work on the rendering engine a bit more. Well, there is always rewire through cubase.
I don't like having both programs open :(
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-06-22 03:07 [#02096048]
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Oscillik, you should be able to get an upgrade for 99 Euros.
Taxi: Yeah, I hear you on the rendering, it has improved, but still needs a bit of work. I'd also (at least until Reason comes with a proper 'Live' mode) like to see an option to bounce each track (or ideally, every different bar) to a .wav automatically labelled with the name of the part you have assigned and a number. Eg Bassline001.wav, Voc003.wav, etc
This would also help when you're seriously mastering a track in another program too (rather than manually bouncing each line).
Currently manually bouncing each part to a wav and then loading them into ableton takes forever.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-06-22 04:18 [#02096059]
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Have you tried rewiring them to ableton and then sending out the different instruments in separate chanels through the rewire interface? You should be able to record each separate channel simultaneously through each rewire channel in ableton (just like you would set an audio in port), thereby giving you the multitrackability without the headache.
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2007-06-22 04:50 [#02096067]
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I can testify that that approach is really a good way to do it. I have been doing it alot recently.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2007-06-22 05:07 [#02096070]
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Thanks Skink and Taxi, no I've not tried that, but will look into it sharpish (was currently going through loads of old tracks and doing it manually for a live gig). Ta very much :)
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2007-06-22 05:09 [#02096072]
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: )
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2007-06-22 08:13 [#02096102]
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nice
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2007-06-22 10:41 [#02096153]
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Regarding the rendering, perhaps its likely it has dramatically increased since apparently version 4 is the first update since the program's debut, which has required a complete rewrite of the program.
Yeah, certain feature requests of the past may not have fit into their personal philosophy or could have be argued against, but one thing they surely would have to agree on is their rendering engine. (unless they are deaf)
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Skink
from A cesspool in eden on 2007-06-22 10:53 [#02096156]
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I spent a long time denying the fact there was a problem with the rendering. But since i have started using other things more and more i have noticed a very big difference. I will definitely be getting this so i suppose i will find out soon enough.
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OK
on 2007-06-22 11:40 [#02096171]
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the sequencer upgrade looks great too. They should FL-like tools for it tho.
looks like a good upgrade overall.
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