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         |  IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-06-10 20:09 [#02092257] Points: 8032 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | Anyone see it? 
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         |  bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2007-06-10 20:18 [#02092259] Points: 5125 Status: Regular
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 | yeah, painful ending 
 
 
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         |  IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-06-10 20:48 [#02092263] Points: 8032 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | that was pretty weak.... 
 Mr. Chase what were you thinking?
 
 
 
 
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         |  gerbik
             on 2007-06-10 20:51 [#02092264] Points: 441 Status: Lurker
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 | how anxious were you during that last scene? 
 
 
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         |  bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2007-06-10 20:54 [#02092265] Points: 5125 Status: Regular
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 | I thought John from Cincinnati was going to be a fake show and we'd get another hour, but apparently not.
 
 
 
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         |  IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-06-10 21:04 [#02092266] Points: 8032 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | I also was hoping for something after the credits started...
 
 
 
 
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         |  bogala
             from NYC (United States) on 2007-06-10 21:16 [#02092267] Points: 5125 Status: Regular
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 | well made,..makes sense when I think about it,.. but dissapointing.
 
 
 
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         |  IronLung
             from the 91fwy in soCAL (United States) on 2007-06-11 00:38 [#02092287] Points: 8032 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | no one else saw it? 
 
 
 
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         |  optimus prime
             on 2007-06-11 00:44 [#02092288] Points: 6447 Status: Lurker
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 | did anybody get whacked? 
 
 
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         |  Oddioblender
             from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2007-06-11 00:46 [#02092289] Points: 9601 Status: Lurker
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 | i heard the ending was very suggestive - and sudden. 
 
 
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         |  b6662966
             from ? on 2007-06-11 03:34 [#02092303] Points: 1110 Status: Lurker
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 | If you recall the first episode of this season, Bobby tells Tony that when you get killed, you never see it coming and
 you dont feel a thing.  Tony flashes back to this
 conversation in the second to last episode, infact its the
 last scene before the finale.  Thats exactly what happens to
 Tony at the end of the finale, the last thing we see is
 Tony's daughter scurrying into the diner through his
 perspective, then of course without any indication its
 lights out, not a sound, nothing...he never saw it coming
 from the suspicous guy who entered the bathroom ala The
 Godfather.
 
 
 
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         |  Sano
             on 2007-06-11 05:27 [#02092322] Points: 2502 Status: Lurker | Followup to b6662966: #02092303
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 | That's a good theory but who would want Tony killed at that point?
 
 
 
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         |  pf
             from Finland on 2007-06-11 05:31 [#02092326] Points: 3316 Status: Lurker
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 | which episode was the one that ended with the family having dinner in the new house or something, i though that was the
 last episode, but it seems it was a season break, what was
 the number of that episode? I would really appriciate if
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         |  b6662966
             from ? on 2007-06-11 05:34 [#02092327] Points: 1110 Status: Lurker
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 | Sano, i suspect Paulie had already set up Tony, atleast most clues in the episode seem to point at Paulie double crossing
 him.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-06-11 05:35 [#02092328] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | Did it pack a hefty emotional punch? 
 
 
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         |  Sano
             on 2007-06-11 05:50 [#02092340] Points: 2502 Status: Lurker | Followup to b6662966: #02092327
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 | Yeah Paulie and Tony didn't seem to end up well last time they showed, I also think Tony's dead why else would they
 show a silent black screen? It was one intense build-up
 that's for sure.
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-06-11 06:44 [#02092359] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | Yahew on the last episode 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-11 19:44 [#02092676] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | I thought that was beautiful. 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-06-12 11:01 [#02092813] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | It was great and poignant. That whole sequence was loaded. I'm confused as to why there's been so much negative
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-12 11:07 [#02092816] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | Me too, man.  I thought it was great. So tense, but in an understated way.  I loved it.  It tied things up in a way
 that felt natural and ended it (imo) succinctly.
 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-06-12 11:15 [#02092820] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #02092816 | Show recordbag
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 | I think people were after wanton bloodshed. Even my pacifist aunt seemed really disappointed to not see Tony get
 perforated with bullets, James Caan-style.
 
 The gas station scene was enough for me!
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-06-12 11:16 [#02092821] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | Although I've never watched an episode of this, I have DownLoaded this last episode and will watch it later on.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-12 11:24 [#02092824] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | That's what I did marlowe. 
 Although, I have seen the entire 2nd season, then skipped
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-06-12 11:53 [#02092826] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | Haha, Journey- Don't Stop Believin' is in the top 40 on itunes, just like that.
 
 I downloaded it on a whim too but I didn't pay
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-12 12:05 [#02092828] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker | Followup to Ophecks: #02092826
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 | i've been whistling it for the last two days. 
 
 
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         |  mimi
             on 2007-06-12 17:37 [#02092934] Points: 5721 Status: Regular | Followup to b6662966: #02092303
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 | yes, exactly 
 pretty intense last two episodes for a show that prrrretty
 much sucked real hard since season 5 ended!
 
 
 
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         |  earthleakage
             from tell the world you're winning on 2007-06-12 21:07 [#02092955] Points: 27859 Status: Regular
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 | jesus christ! i was shitting bricks all the way through, especially the last scene. totally brilliant.
 
 btw, is he dead? :)
 
 
 
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-06-21 11:42 [#02095821] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | - Just watched it. Certainly the tension grew after that one guy was shot in the head on the garage forecourt. When Tony
 Soprano's son was getting in his B.M.W. I was ½ expecting
 it to blow up when he started the engine.
 
 I didn't find the ending made me believe the family got
 whacked.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-21 11:56 [#02095826] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | Tony Soprano sleeps with the fishes. 
 
 
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         |  herbwest
             from Seattle (United States) on 2007-06-21 13:02 [#02095847] Points: 418 Status: Lurker
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 | I thought it was a nearly perfect ending. Pretty depressing when analyzed. Tony's life completely falls apart.
 
 We have:
 
 - Tony about to go to jail because the guy he replaced Vito
 with flipped.
 
 - Carmella finally giving in to Tony's way of life and
 seemingly appreciating the spoils much more  than the risks
 as she only appears to care about her lavish lifestyle by
 the end. Any moral dilemma's she once had seem gone.
 
 - The crushing of A.J. whom went from trying to break free
 from the family only to be railroaded by Carm and Tony. As
 soon as they give him his fancy car and new job with Lil'
 Carmine, all his ideals went right out the window. Now he's
 part of 'the family'
 
 - Meadow following Carmella's, bury your head in ths sand,
 lead, gives up her noble pursuit of helping the poor via
 medical school, and instead is on her way to becoming a mob
 lawyer. She deludes herself into thinking it's necessary to
 help prevent the sterotyping and oppresson of Italians. Not
 to mention she is engaged to the son of a made man.
 
 - Tony is essentially alone as Paulie is going nuts, Silvio
 is in a coma, Junior's lost all memory, Bobby's dead, Chris
 is dead, Dr. Melfi is history and Arte has been out of the
 picture for awhile.
 
 I think, when in that context, it's a great ending. Tony's
 choices, personality and lifestyle destroys both of his
 familes. It's shown that no amount of therapy sessions,
 philosophy changes, post gunshot epiphanies, peyote trips
 or any amount of duck visits, can change him. He is what he
 is. Self-centered and depressed. In the end he takes his
 whole family down with him.
 
 
 
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-21 13:07 [#02095849] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | Who set up the hit? 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-06-21 13:25 [#02095862] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Followup to epohs: #02095849 | Show recordbag
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 | TONY SOPRANO. In a sense. Lol. 
 
 
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         |  herbwest
             from Seattle (United States) on 2007-06-21 13:33 [#02095871] Points: 418 Status: Lurker
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 | There was no hit. 
 
 
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         |  Ophecks
             from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2007-06-21 13:48 [#02095876] Points: 19190 Status: Moderator | Show recordbag
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 | It was like an allegorical ''hit''. I don't know. And reading your post reminded me I have to watch some of the
 later episodes because I don't even know what happened with
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-21 14:05 [#02095880] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | Well, they certainly strong case that Tony was getting hit and since almost the entire epic was told through his eyes
 having the abrupt nothingness was an apt way to end the
 narrative of his life... even if they didn't explicitly show
 it, they certainly wanted the audience to suspect that he
 was likely hit.
 
 In which case, my question could be reworded "who would've
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         |  marlowe
             from Antarctica on 2007-06-21 14:15 [#02095881] Points: 24636 Status: Lurker
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 | I don't know if the cut to black represented a hit. To me, it could just as easily signify simply the end of our
 privileged voyeuristic view of his world and that WE are the
 ones in the black, with the plug suddenly pulled, not Tony
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         |  epohs
             from )C: on 2007-06-21 14:21 [#02095882] Points: 17620 Status: Lurker
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 | did anyone here read that massive fucking review of the last episode that was posted on digg a few days ago?  the guy was
 a massive windbag but he made about 50 interesting
 observations.
 
 i doesn't really bother me either way what ultimately
 happened to tony.  i guess i like the idea that he was
 killed because that it is sortof sad and puts a lump in my
 throat even though he was basically a scumbag.
 
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         |  mimi
             on 2007-06-21 14:43 [#02095886] Points: 5721 Status: Regular | Followup to epohs: #02095882
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 | Yeah it was a wonderful finale.  When I saw it I had no doubt that he was dead, but it's kind of nice that they
 didn't show it or anything so people who were opposed to a
 hit can make their own conclusion.  I wish the show overall
 hadn't gotten so clumsy though.  It was such an insanely
 amazing show but then they started adding too many dumb
 characters and wasting episodes on them...
 
 I agree with herbwest, nobody in the family did the right
 thing in the end of it all.  Still, you get kind of attached
 too all these people after so many years of watching them
 that it's a little jarring to have that be the end of it!
 
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         |  big
             from lsg on 2008-03-24 06:08 [#02187782] Points: 24091 Status: Lurker | Show recordbag
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 | if the end does mean he's taken out it was alluded to way before in this season with the hit at which Silvio was
 present: that was represented through the viewpoint of this
 main charactere as well
 
 it's depressing in any case, tony apparantly being a
 psycopath now killing christopher
 
 but it's a morality tale (says imdb). shit leads to more
 shit
 
 
 
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