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Hi Folks, I'm looking at buying a smallish PA system (ideally just a shade over 1Kw) for use DJing at small-medium sized venues that lack their own PA (or that charge silly prices for the hire of their own). Crucially, I will be DJing outdoors at least a couple of times this summer and I know from experience that you need a fair bit more power to be heard at even reasonably small gatherings. In the past, I have always had PAs provided by venues/the events, but a friend who is a promoter is looking to do a few and to save costs (in the long run) we're probably going to get one ourselves. I was thinking of one of these: Anyone have any comments/advice? Thanks in advance. |
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There WILL be BASS ! |
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I don't actually know all too much about PA systems, but it seems to me JBL is the industry standard, and it must be so for some reason... I guess you've already looked into that, though, as you've probably noticed that everyone uses their speakers. |
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mackie pa sound real sweet for a cheap price! d&b audiotechnik are the best i've used, the NIA /NEC symphony hall use them. tested a fair few during the period, d&b came out tops. i even pumped fsol lifeforms through them, sounded fk'in awesome!!! http://www.dbaudio.com/en/ |
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I'm not clued up on speakers but I can tell you that Omnitronic are ok. A friend had some Omnitronic turntables which were very solid and similar to 1200s but for a fraction of the price! |
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JBLs hi-fi stuff isn't all that, though, mind you... |
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I wonder if there'd be a market for a club that focused on high-end sound.. I mean.. people like to talk when they're out, and most of the time, the sound only works as a buffer, so that everyone else's conversations don't interfere with yours, and so that other people can't hear you dissing them... But maybe, if it was done right, like a jazz club or something, a high-end club could work.. music played off a clearaudio master reference through some super great mono blocks and then awesome speakers, made out of stone or whatever gives the least resonance... I'd go there, but would other people? |
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Drunken Mastah: Sadly sound quality isn't actually terribly important in 90% of venues. Most people prefer it to be loud as opposed to clear. Imagine how sound sounds when you're quite drunk, it's like a bad plate reverb (at least for me), then there's the fact people are talking over the top/singing along at the top of their voices etc. You'd be amazed how many venues have a mono speaker system too. Some places that are more clubs for people who are actually into music (as opposed to it just being a soundtrack to shark drunk girls to) have great systems, but even then, it tends to be an emphasis on volume and bass rather than audiophile quality. Any bigger venues are likely to have their own PA and besides, cost rules it out. So, I'm looking to get something in the 1-2KW range (probably nearer 1 than 2). So, "cheap and loud" is what I'm after, provided it doesn't sound really bad. I won't be using these in the house (well, maybe in my garage for mastering the bass on tracks) for listening! |
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Yeah, I know, but I was just thinking out loud (or rather, out writing).. I mean, my fav+ place in town is Biskopen (the bishop). It's got skilled people in the bar that you can talk to about whisky and beer, and they have reclining chairs in the basement. They've got a fireplace (which rocks in the winter), and the sound levels are never intrusive, except saturdays when there are tons of people everywhere (tuesdays are the best days for going out). And, basically, I could love a place just like that even more if they had a high-end soundsystem. As I said, I don't know much about PAs, but I know a bit about hi-fi and high-end.. I don't know if cerwin vega makes PA systems, but they're like hi-fi with bass.. they're known for their bass, but at the same time retaining a bit of hi-fi... |
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Don't get me wrong- I'd love a place like you envisage. I just don't think enough people are discerning enough that it'd be financially viable in most places. |
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Yeah, I know.. and when you love high-end, you usually get it at home where you can modify everything.. at a bar, it'd all be depending on how many people are there, etc, plus a few people would always be fighting over the sweet spot, and one of the main points of going out is exactly not being the wanker who has to complain about the sound quality or the quality of the music because you're busy talking to whoever's there instead... Actually, I kind of just wish I could afford a high-end system at home.. I mean, I have a decent budget hi-fi system, but when you notice the faults of your own system, it's obvious you're wishing for something better... I'll just have to write some sort of crappy popular science book in philosophy that people will buy... something like that "the philosophy of simpsons" thing (I cringe whenever I see that book, btw). I could quite possibly do "everyday introduction to existitentialist issues" or something.. however, the funnest thing ever would be to do some kind of I <3 huckabees existential detective thing. That just wouldn't pay off, plus it kind of contradicts existentialism, but it'd be fun! |
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I reckon they'd be good. I'm no expert but looks like good sound system fayre. Best club sound system I've heard is at The End. Haven't been for a while but when I went you could talk over it, and it's still loud. PS Can I DJ at one of your nights? ;) |
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If you're doing the lyrics remember to get a larger system than a normal person would get to better amplify your voice since you have such a miniature head. |
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i know nothing about sound systems and yet i read this entire thread for god knows what. and your avatar is most excellent. |
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That means you read 3 posts by Ceri JC... you should probably sterilize yourself. I'm starting to think this avatar sucks. The triangles need to animate differently all the way around, and the black part is too static, and the circle part is blobish after vector graphics convertet to pixels. |
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I just got a good idea though. |
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I need one for having a rave outside the maths office at my school. Wankers. |
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Yeah a chap I know who is really into hi-fi (£10,000 system and counting..) says that with a good system it should be loud, you should be able to talk over it without shouting and it shouldn't carry very far through walls/doors. His is all of these things (home system, not a PA). If we have any spaces for DJing (I know the 2 arranged nights are full), I can't imagine he'd be able to pay anything more than petrol/train fare at least for a few months. Still interested? :) |
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Cool, where is it based? Might be a trek but I do need to get out more... |
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Either around Bath or Cardiff. We're doing fairly downtempo electronic things at the moment. Where are you these days? |
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Weddings, birthday parties... not much right now. I was in NZ for 2 years and had a radio show there, played downtempo, electronic, dubstep, hip hop, some grime... ambient etc etc. I play all sorts, lots of old ska recently, again. But yes, would be cool to do something, I can certaily do a downtempo set. What kind of parties do you put on? (or plan to) |
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He has a clubnight that he is looking to make bi-monthly, currently looking for new premises, probably around cardiff (existing venue has stopped doing music and is focusing on visual arts). Also do the odd event, the next two are out in the woods near Bath. Part of the logic of getting the PA was that I could do a few more weddings/birthday parties for a bit of cash. I've only done a couple of weddings before and don't really enjoy them (aside from playing soft cell's version of "Tainted Love"), so would want to do more for money. Parties are usually a good laugh though and I'll often do them for free if I like the people. |
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Sounds cool to me man. Outdoors parties are always good. Is it, like, an illegal rave? :) I was kind of half joking about the weddings thing but I am actually playing at my mates wedding soon, plus assorted parties. I just play for some free beer. It's fun, but always good doing some actual mixing etc. |
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No, the chap who owns the woods has asked us to do it, so no complaints about the noise/hassle from the police. :D |
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Well all sounds good I'll send you and email, so you can let me know when something might happen. thanks. |
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so long as the crowd gives thansk its all good, bass or not. |
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Just an update. I bought those speakers. I must say I am very very impressed for the money. The amp is overly loud (cooling fans), but this is to be expected for the money. I've heard much more powerful amps that are less than half as loud, but these have cost several times as much. Stupidly loud speakers (I've only dared to turn them up to 3 and that is ASBO-getting loud), great for parties and easily loud enough for gigs in venues under 500 people, or playing outdoors. For a laugh I hooked them up to the xbox for a game of burnout revenge. The crashes are superb when they're that loud, it actually sounds like there's braking glass and twisting metal in the room. They're currently in my studio (nice to be able to hear) what stuff sounds like on a 'big system' at the flick of a switch. |
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neighbours gave thansk then? |
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Apparently you can get thansk and comebacks even if there is no bass whatsoever . |
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Shit , i nominate that thread best of 07 already Classic xlt moment =) |
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Neighbours were out during my last party, so no thansk yet... |
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I want to hang out with you Ceri. |
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Anytime you are in Blighty, you are more than welcome to, as is your missus. |
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can i bring the little one, hes only 16 1/2 months, not ready to be left home alone well i did that one day and went skating, but dont tell anyone. |
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Ha ha quality negligent parenting, yes certainly, the sprog is welcome too. I could probably arrange to borrow a cot from my in-laws. |
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I still have the PA and am very happy with it. A word of warning though, don't buy from Elektronikstar-de on ebay, in spite of their low prices. Took the money before they had the goods ready to ship, slow despatch, goods arrived damaged, it has taken almost 2 months to get them to offer a refund (delay all their end) and now they're trying (illegally) to get me to pay for some of the P&P for them to collect the damaged goods. |
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