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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 11:54 [#02036856]
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more of an Art, isn't it?
i mean, there's a lot of logic, sure, but that's about it..
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-23 11:56 [#02036860]
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If philosophy is an art, then so is football.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 11:56 [#02036861]
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i'm not saying it's not.
football's a great game. just stay the fuck away from the news, yeah?
that's my sentiment.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 11:58 [#02036862]
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not more than watching football.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 12:00 [#02036863]
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eh.. ok, first of all I'd like to know how logics separate from the rest of philosophy in a way that makes it more "science," and secondly.. it's not natural science, but it is indeed science.
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thodob
from Bergen (Norway) on 2007-01-23 12:01 [#02036865]
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Brann of course
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 12:53 [#02036901]
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as wiki says, "Science in the broadest sense refers to any system of "objective" knowledge."
There are "schools of philosophical thought" which contradict each other and will do forever, yet they'll all have followers.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-23 13:02 [#02036907]
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Hmm, so according to wiki, in its broadest sense, science is a crock of shit.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 13:03 [#02036909]
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.. what?
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-01-23 13:04 [#02036910]
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I was born into the red half of my home city.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-23 13:12 [#02036915]
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There's no such thing as 'objective knowledge'.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 13:21 [#02036918]
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Knowledge everyone can agree is true - there's no such thing as that?
What're you on about?
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-01-23 13:22 [#02036920]
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I agree with Marlowe. What is accepted today is disproved tomorrow.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-23 13:23 [#02036921]
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Of course there is no universally accepted knowledge.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 13:24 [#02036922]
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Yeah.. and that's the basis for scientific discovery.
So what's objective knowledge today is proven wrong, and then isn't objective knowledge tomorrow.
It's knowledge, not fact that we're talking about here.
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-01-23 13:26 [#02036925]
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So the only knowledge you have is knowing you are wrong tomorrow which means you don't really know anything.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 13:27 [#02036926]
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eh
ok
look up science in a decent dictionary plus its etymology. science ranges from knowledge of [subject] acquired by study and theories about this subject.
secondly, something being objective hasn't got anything to do with people agreeing; consensus != objectiveness. If that was true, it would've been objectively true that the world was flat a while back. Objective knowledge would be knowledge of what a thing is in itself, and we sadly don't have access to this (mostly because a thing in itself doesn't make any sense to anyone; we require it to make sense to us, so we measure it and use it for stuff, etc etc).
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-01-23 13:28 [#02036932]
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Knowledge is higher up the hierarchy than fact, which comes from the Latin for "to make".
You're talking about subjective knowledge, not objective knowledge. It is impossible for a human to be objective, because their very existence as a subject subjectifies anything they may do.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 13:28 [#02036933]
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Not all of it is wrong tomorrow.
It COULD be, but since most of the world's architecture, technology and modern life is based on scientific discovery, the vast majority of it most certainly won't be.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 13:29 [#02036935]
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knowledge, yes, but not objective knowledge: anyone claiming to have objective knowledge is a dolt. Denying objective knowledge isn't denying knowledge.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 13:31 [#02036936]
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for being so critical of it, you also have quite a bit of faith in your own time.
also, I love the word "dolt."
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-01-23 13:31 [#02036937]
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I'm just fucking about :P
I don't care really I was just typing words.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2007-01-23 13:31 [#02036938]
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mostly because a thing in itself doesn't make any sense to anyone; we require it to make sense to us, so we measure it and use it for stuff
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-23 13:36 [#02036942]
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..?
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2007-01-23 15:59 [#02037012]
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Bears
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2007-01-23 16:17 [#02037025]
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i find it amazing the amount of knowledge people have about sport. the fixtures, the players, formations, club history etc.. imagine if people used that ability to aquire knowledge about something less trivial and something that could improve our collective quality of life.
sport is fucking boring to watch. fuck me how tedious. playing sport is good fun.
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OK
on 2007-01-23 16:19 [#02037026]
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Pumas UNAM
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OK
on 2007-01-23 16:23 [#02037028]
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Mexican League is great because if you tie 0-0 almost all the games and win/lose a few you end up in second place.
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nacmat
on 2007-01-23 16:35 [#02037031]
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for the football that is played indeed with feet, and its not a sad spectacle of endless cheerleadingfuckery I support :
futbol club barcelona
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NIL-0
from trans pennine express on 2007-01-23 18:25 [#02037060]
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SAFC
FTM
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2007-01-23 22:05 [#02037081]
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Soccer is great man! :)
One time while I was in Europe I watched The Netherlands play Germany in a bar in The Netherlands, surrounded by a bunch of crazy Dutch fans during the European Championships, and since then I've been hooked!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2007-01-23 22:07 [#02037082]
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The Bears are SOOOOOOOOOO going down! :P
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-23 22:16 [#02037083]
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what a carry on about sport having no place on television. seriously, can the useless cut-out sitcoms and unfunny comedies, and put More sport on. you guys would be lost over here with the day-long broadcasts of the cricket. Thats the way things should be!
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2007-01-23 22:24 [#02037084]
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and also, if youre that worried about education, then turn off the telly, get off the internet and enrol in a course or go to a library or something. and dont go logging onto xltronic from there either.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2007-01-24 01:27 [#02037122]
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I support F.C. Juventus
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2007-01-24 01:43 [#02037126]
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baseball please
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1up
from greater manchester (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-24 03:59 [#02037214]
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manchester city.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-01-24 06:39 [#02037263]
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WHAT?! cut the Full House re-runs? Are you crazy frog?
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Sclah
from Freudian Slipmat on 2007-01-24 08:38 [#02037323]
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Ham-Kam
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Chihiro
from twins land on 2007-01-24 09:31 [#02037369]
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glory glory man united!!!
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-24 09:35 [#02037372]
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HEREFORD if anyone. the closest vaguely-good team.
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Spreading Phlox
from London (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-24 12:36 [#02037545]
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CRYSTAL PALACE
my LOCAL team hehe
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ecnadniarb
on 2007-01-24 12:49 [#02037556]
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Once again showing your total ignorance of life.
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penexpers
from Toronto (Canada) on 2007-02-03 17:49 [#02044511]
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Fucking massive win for Derby today, I was close to tears of joy at the end. We're going up! Football.
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-02-03 18:06 [#02044517]
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sorry to break it to ya but the only real sport is HOCKEY!
duh.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2007-02-03 18:33 [#02044538]
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A buncha tough guys beatin' on each other in an ice-rink. Hold Me Back! :p
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-02-03 18:51 [#02044555]
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hu hu hu! ;)
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RussellDust
on 2007-02-03 19:57 [#02044568]
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liverpool had it, arsenal had it, man u had it and my team is now right in the midst of being the most unhip team to support, ever. i don't care :)
also our manager is uber hated and i must say it makes me love him the more.
go chels, go mourinho, and hello nacmat!
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RussellDust
on 2007-02-03 19:59 [#02044570]
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i mean in england.
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2007-02-05 12:50 [#02045344]
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i've been a Juventus supporter for years now. There are very few other teams that i actively like, so this year has been a bit funny for me. i've been following Valencia some, but they are not playing as well as they could.
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