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is it really worth it? one of my mates from home is in an apprenticeship getting £1000 a month training wage, in 6 months will be earning £21000 and in 18 months will be on £33000. and he's a college dropout with nothing but shit GCSE's. and he got chosen over people with fucking university degrees! extremely jealous :{ here is a photo of a done-up escort for your viewing pleasure. |
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My... GOD the aliasing. |
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just because one person claims he will be rich in 2 years time doesnt mean it will happen or it is common |
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It is quite common. Happens a lot up here - apprenticeships usually lead to a pretty healthy wage packet. But, you have to make the decision young, generally. He who hesitates is lost. |
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Even though I'm at university, it hardly feels like it because I'm doing English literature and only have to go in twice a week. I've been too involved in lots of music projects, and after all this time still have no friends at university. But it doesn't matter, really, I just want a degree because apparently degrees are good. |
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yeah i'd agree with that. probably too late for me:( |
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here's that escort again: |
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I did an apprenticeship for 2 years, shittest time of my life. £20 a day, had to run my own car, had to buy my own tools. when I asked for a pay rise I was told the sub contractors I was working with should chip in... no such luck, they must have pencil dicks they were such tight fisted wankers. now that ive passed, im finding the pay scale slow to climb. but its better than a lot of my mates who cant find any jobs/ crap jobs with their fancy degrees. |
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In truth, everyone and their dog has a degree these days. It doesn't really mean much. Experience and actual skill are more important. |
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I don't think its so common. I hear it a lot - "X is getting this job and in X months he'll be getting this huge pay packet" but most times it seems to work out a lot more like how j4ck described. and then theres the matter of what the job actually is, not to everyones taste. Not that university will necessarily solve your career problems but its the right thing for some people, not for others, but I think most people are glad they did it so in that way it seems fairly safe to me. |
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Depends on what you want to do. I'm loving it at the mo. |
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escort people |
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PS that car has been riced so hard, you could use it to feed the entire continent of Africa twice over. |
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Just cos you have a rubbish degree, from a rubbish uni.. :D OWWWW i can feel your stomach ache from here. |
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escorts are for grannys |
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It is true here in Canada as well. Someone who learns a trade, be it electrician or whatever, can get a job and make shit loads more money then someone who goes to university and spends years and thousands of dollars getting a degree. It usually just depends on the companies and what they're willing to pay people with trades I guess, but still to me it seems a bit unbalanced. Or maybe I'm just bitter because I went the degree route, and I still have a shit job! :P |
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*passes out in agony* |
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sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssexy. Hotrods = <3 |
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university is a bit like a mongoose... sometimes its like a cat... and sometimes its like a dog. |
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ha! i saw a modded Morris in cheltenham a few days ago. looked similar, painted black and yellow. an old banger version of that. |
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and how many Ss would you like to put on this sexy. |
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I don't normally like flames on bikes. Particularly, back on topic, on the Yamaha Diversion 600 I saw at my uni yesterday (For car folks, this is a very practical, utilitarian vehicle. It's a bit like putting flames on a corolla estate.) I don't normally like most choppers, either. It's a tribute to that bike's designer that they've managed to overcome both of these prejudices and made something I like. To complete the look, I'd tip some old oil on an out of site bit of the engine to ensure plumes of smoke following the bike as you ride round. >:D Any idea what the bike is? Looks like a Chopped Harley hardtail to me, but those slash pipes (maybe from a Streetbob?) and front forks (v. unconventional front end if you look closely) suggest otherwise. Also nice to see a decent sized fuel tank rather than a silly "50 miles range" peanut one. I wonder how they did the flames on the exhaust; I didn't realise you could get heat proof paint in such vivid colours! BTW, you never said if you wanted me to send you that airbrushing school clipping. LMK and I'll include it in the thing I'm going to send you (when it's finished- I was working on it again yesterday) |
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how about this. it is indeed an harley hardtail,most of the parts are one off. the painted part of the exhaust is a cover,but in all fairness its just a show bike. in answer to the other,yes please and many thanks. |
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Not bad considering how heavily modified it is and that I don't have much to do with HDs :D Talking of which, if you're still toying with the idea of getting a chopper, a friend of a friend is selling his '92 HD XL1200 Sportster extremely cheaply. £2.5k or £2K if you can pay cash in Bath by tomorrow! 12K on the clock and good working order thanks to mechanic owner (although not polished to the usual tart's handbag standards). Could look quite saucy with a Hanal paintjob. Back on topic once again, it's through Bath university's associated bike shop, Bartons. They're a good shop and most of the university's mcc use them. |
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I study because I like what I'm studying and would like to work with it, not to get a job that pays 70982357798325 money units. |
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But what if you study so you can find a job you like and that pays 70982357798325 money units. Would that be better than not studying and instead finding a job that whilst you liked it it the same amount, didn't pay as well? |
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I love what I do. Pay can be decent, but generally only when you move towards higher positions such as creative director. And that rarely happens until you reach at least 30. I spose i'll just have to grin and bear it until then. |
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I don't care about the money as long as I can do philosophy. of course, if I have the choice between job A and job B, and job B pays more than job A, but otherwise they are the same job, and they are both philosophy jobs, of course, more pay is a bonus. If I were to be self-taught in philosophy that'd be exactly the same as studying it anyway, so I might as well get a paper that says I studied it. |
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I've found studying philosophy in my spare time really benefitial, and even doing it at A-level had a good effect on my outlook on life, so I can see what you mean. I'm not very good at it, but I enjoy it, so that's all that matters. |
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in my opinion, fuck money. i wanted to get rich real fast when i was younger, so i studied chemical engineering. i didnt like it much, it wasn't really theoretical, you were trained to become a human calculator/problem solver, however financial outlook A++++++ RECCOMENDED. stuck to that for two years, really hated it in the end. now i'm doing theoretical chemistry, love it. today i genetically modified a bacteria, made it produce some protein. it's not that difficult or whatever, pretty standard procedure, but i feel like a god. rant rant, you should do what makes you happy. if its money and pretty things, go for that. but in my opinion, education, research and university are the best things ever. money implies poverty |
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viewing pleasure?! more like viewing displeasure! |
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why do you always aim below the belt hey? |
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i actually study music. youre all winners compared to me. useless qualification into one of the hardest industrys to get work in due to immense 'up-the-bumness' |
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very tempting,but i must wait a couple of years untill i buy a house with a garage. whatever project i then take on,will be a full strip down and pimp rebuild. |
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go for what make you happy. What are your talents? The money will follow |
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Jaroen: You sound like you're doing really well. Congratulations! DM:Just out of interest, what are the practical jobs from philosophy (this isn't a crack, I'm genuinely interested). Aside from teaching, the only one I've come across is some places using philosophy graduates for AI programmers(it's cheaper to train a philosopher to program, than to get a programmer to think the way you need to to become really good at AI). Hanal: Yes, a garage is a must for tinkering. If you do your own mechanical work, renting space in a mate's garage is a nightmare too (as you can't leave the bike in bits all over the whole garage and have to tidy up oil/fluid spills). I actually didn't bother looking at houses without garages (in spite of this meaning living in a slightly ropier area/ having less garden etc.) because I had been so fed up of renting space elsewhere and not having my bike at home. |
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...in the long run university is really worth it - educated middle class life is quite nice and rewarding. knowledge and the lifestyle you create with is hard to beat - ask any doctor you want, all research shows that bad health and socio-economic problems are A LOT more common among the uneducated in the lower classes in society. (the differences in choices and lifestyles aren't so visible while you're in your twenties, but it becomes much more clear later on at 30-40-50 and on....) This isn't just something that academics learn about in school, it's the reality and unfortunately too few gets the possibility to choose a better life for themselves and their family due to unequal shares of resources. when it comes to money it's not so important how much you earn, it's what you spend it on and how you think about money that makes all the difference. bogala wrote: "go for what make you happy. What are your talents? The money will follow" - this is true, but too few have to real possibility to do this, it's quite unfair and still that's what the whole society rely on - who would take care of your garbage if everyone could develop a talent? |
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im not going to read any of the posts inhere, i'd just like to say that anyone attending college just to have a better paycheck after is an idiot. |
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why? |
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Well, basically, it will depend on the type of philosophy you do. So if we overlook the research and teaching aspects of a purely academical job within philosophy, there's really a lot to choose from. A few traits that most seem to share is the ability to organise stuff and solve problems. Just like if you study (I don't know what the degree is called in english, but let's call it) librarianship, you don't really need to know a lot about a book or its field to know where to put it in the library, a philosopher can help people who are stuck in a problem to look at the problem from a different angle. Logicians are very useful for most organisations that have some sort of agenda or public profile, whether it is a political or economical or even ideological organisation. Existentialism (which is what I'll do I think) is.. well, it could be considered an alternative and aid to certain forms of therapy or, if you like, "coaching" (you know those "learn to love yourself" things). I'd say it's pretty useful if you're in contact with youths, as they generally go through a lot of the existential issues in a.. less experienced way than an adult (as you've already been through it, you know how to handle it.. the youth is faced with anxiety all on his own for the very first time (and he should be, but sometimes you see parents thinking it makes their kid a problem child or something and if you misdiagnose existential issues as psychological issues, you can end up with a lot of trouble on your hands)). Also, most philosophy is useful in other research contexts, mostly as quality assurance (if you're a researcher these days, fast results can be tempting because politicians have to see results that they can present to people so that they can be popular because people expect fast results, so if your project predicts fast results, you're more likely to get money). I'm running out of space, but you get the idea, I think. |
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yet thats kind of why 70% of (british anyway) uni students go. they dont really know what they want to do but they feel its their obligation and they end up doing courses like English and Media Studies because 'i quite like TV' or History because 'I did alright at school' and then they come out with their 2:2's and their thirds if theyre lucky and they end up working at the carphone warehouse anyway. |
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what is college, as opposed to university anyway? is it a pure learning thingie so they don't do research or is there some other fine nuance somewhere? Or maybe it's just the same? |
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don't take this personally but what the fuck other reason is there to go? school is fucking expensive as hell you wouldn't waste that money just to learn whatever unless they're was some type of monetary advantage waiting at the other end. i mean shit, if i already had the money sure i would still go just to learn. but even then, people in those situations don't go cuz they don't see a need for it at that point... |
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well, technically it's different, but when i say college i mean university and college. but when i say university that doesn't mean college..kinda weird how i think |
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that was a follow up to drunken mastah btw. |
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Yeah really, seems kind of pointless to me for someone to go to university just for the sake of it, with how expensive it is. Then you'd finish with huge loans owning and no job prospects. |
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not everything is about money you know. though this is how this world works it seems. |
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college in britain is where you obtain qualifications to attend university in the firstplace (unless you do the straight through school route). they also offer a lot of vocational courses you can do, like cooking or Hairdressing. then there are specialist colleges like music or film schools with differing levels of qualifications in a specialised subject that tend to be more practical based then school or universitys. so, my mate is doing a philosophy degree at University. i am doing creative music production course (music practitioner level 3B which means i can put 'qualified sound engineer' on my CV and fuck all else) at music college and some bint does a vocational hairdressing at a standard college. what the fuck am i even talking about? |
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Yeah, I see what you mean, but a sad fact of the world is that most things ARE about money. If you don't have money in this world, how can you live really? |
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