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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 11:19 [#00125670]
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The doorbell just went forcing me to get dressed and get up. I went and it was Jehovahs. To be fair he didn't try to bore me he just left a tract with me. I am currently looking for bible quotes that disprove their theology. I'm going to prepare myself for when they come back....
There's stuff on the site www.religioustolerance.org and also
www.chick.com
When I find some bible ref.s I'll put them up. Even if you're not a Christian, you can use them to prove how the Jehovah's theology is self contradicting.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 11:26 [#00125676]
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Well, my neighbour is this gypsy Jehova's witness and his such a funny person that I always take all these brochures and leaflets from him... Anyway, they apparently claim that a lot of misconceptions on christianity come from inappropriate translation of Bible (like, they claim that the word that was translated as "cross" just ment stake, that Jesus was not crucified but nailed to this stake and so on). Anyway, fuck them and the rest of christians...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 11:26 [#00125677]
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And the rest of religions. And atheists too. That should have covered about everything.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-03-14 11:30 [#00125680]
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I always say: not interested, then they go away. There's no point in argueing, they're fanatics. They're looking for a discussion and if you fall for it, they'll come back more often. Think about it. Don't even accept any of their propaganda. Make them feel that what they're doing is useless.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 11:39 [#00125686]
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Uh the one I am talking about has some kind of speaking disability and is on top of it drunk most of time (or looks drunk...) so he's really completely beyond arguing.. I like him somehow...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 11:40 [#00125688]
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I've never had any. My Mum invited them in once because she was bored I think. They kept coming back.
If I get any I'll invite them in and talk Marxist dogma at them until they leave.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 11:44 [#00125690]
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That'll be a showdown. However, jonesy, they'll claim that their truth comes directly from god (a serious source, we'll all agree) and where does yours?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 12:03 [#00125696]
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My arse, same as theirs ha, ha.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 12:05 [#00125697]
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Ugh, there's no need to be rude. I'm just saying that when they claim they have this source of absolute truth, what are you left with? Providing that you are aware that you can not prove to them that god does not exist.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 12:08 [#00125701]
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Sorry. My truth comes from the material world around me. I know you can always question knowledge but you've got to start somewhere. I like to start by rejecting superstition. I don't believe in God, Jesus, Father Xmas, the Easter Rabbit or the Tooth Fairy. Though the bogeyman does exist.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-03-14 12:15 [#00125707]
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Jonesy, if the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, how do you explain where my babyteeth have gone? It's the Tooth Fairy I tell ya :)
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 12:15 [#00125708]
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Uhm. So, you are sure of certain things being absolutely true, without having an absolute authority to confirm it?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 12:30 [#00125712]
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Yep, why not?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 12:35 [#00125717]
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Uhm, you don't see any contradiction in it?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 12:39 [#00125719]
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I believe whatever makes sense, is logical and is based on evidence. There is no absolute truth or authority but you can't keep on questioning otherwise you'd never be able to assert anything.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 12:47 [#00125721]
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Yeah, yeah, questioning is, as you say very important. Even of those things you yourself consider unqestionable, is all I got to say.
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Binaural Tea
from Christmas City (Christmas Island) on 2002-03-14 12:48 [#00125722]
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um i think geesus do post here frequently yeah..
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 12:53 [#00125725]
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Trying to lghten the air a bit, are we?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:01 [#00125732]
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There's a phone-in on the radio about creation theory. All these muppets are phoning in saying that evolutionary theory is ridiculous as opposed, of course, to the totally logical Genesis account of the world's creation. Hmmm
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:04 [#00125735]
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Well, when you look at it, it's not so different. I mean, these religious dudes claim to have been having the actual truth for the last 2000 years. Whereas science always claims it has just found the truth out. No real difference.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:06 [#00125737]
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Surely its about what each explanation is based on?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:11 [#00125744]
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Yeah, but each time science claims that this is the actual fact. Even if it is contradictory to another fact that was its "truth" yesterday. Dig it?
By the way, do you like my new pic?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:13 [#00125747]
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Dude, take it down. I'll be getting funny looks from people in the office. This is conservative england my friend.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:17 [#00125751]
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perhaps they like this one better?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 13:21 [#00125755]
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I just found out some weird stuff about the Jehovah's beliefs at religioustolerance.org I'm ready to take them on when they call back. Should be fun! I may record the conversation I think...
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:22 [#00125756]
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Cheers Meho. I want to stay on this messageboard. There's always people snooping at my computer screen.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:24 [#00125759]
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I've just tried to get a picture up but couldn't. I'm useless with computers. Can anyone take the time to type out some step by step instructions?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:26 [#00125761]
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It's so easy even a bumbfuck like me is able to do it: 1. click on Edit your account 2. type your password in (but don't press enter) 3. click browse, next to this slot for picture. 4. pick a picture from your computer (or web) 5. click done
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 13:28 [#00125762]
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Firstly have you got a picture of yourself ready? I.E. a scanned image or a picture of yourself of the web? Make sur eit's not bigger than 100kb.
If so, go to "edit your account" in the "Nice to see you Jonesy." Box in the top left corner.
Click the "browse" button to the right of "Upload a picture (GIF or JPG, max size: 100 kbyte"
Select the file you want as your picture from the window that pops up..
Then enter your password in your user details (you need to do this to alter your account) then press "Done" at the bottom of the screen.
Hopefully your pic should now work.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:31 [#00125763]
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er... I put it in less words, but basicly, you should do it easy as pie now.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:32 [#00125764]
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Thanx guys. I've arrived
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 13:34 [#00125765]
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Sorry, you must have put yours up as I was typing my "idiot proof" one :)
Jonesy: Is that really you?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:35 [#00125766]
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ALRIGHT!!! We almost got fooled by your tough leftwing discourse. While all this time we were talking to this nice girl.
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awt
from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-03-14 13:35 [#00125767]
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well home in sweden we got allots of American christians running knocking on my door about 1time a wheek, I fucking hate them.. Religion is for people with a lack of brain and hope. fuckthem
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 13:37 [#00125770]
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I am none other than Rebecca Ritters. You may know me as Hannah from Neighbours.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 13:38 [#00125771]
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We had a discussion in my house just now about this and it seems the main reason people hate "Christians" is that Jehovahs and Mormons knock on their door all the time and piss them off. They are NOT christians. They have fucked up beliefs. Ignore them.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:43 [#00125774]
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I think I'll stick with this pic. At least for the time being. I love bondage.
Well, saying that all religion is for people with a lack of brain and hope is a little harsh I'd say. I used to think so too, but not all religions are like christianity. And not all christians are the same as Ceri said... I can not follow any religion but I can not follow this materialist atheism either. I need to continue questioning, not subscribe to answers.
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awt
from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-03-14 13:44 [#00125775]
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Well those americans had traveled to sweden And now theyre working with the swedish church.
I Now that there are many christians who are just regular peoples but the real fanatic ones are so pathetic. I had a girlfriend wich had a christian mom and when I went into there hous and didnt take off my hat she said to her doughter - You new boyfriend doesnt have christian parents I see.
- Well he cant come with us to church tomorow thats for sure.
- no he needs a little disipline.
They said that while i where in the bathroom and they didnt think I heard them.. Thats fucktup Right?
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:47 [#00125778]
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awt: yeah, that's shit. But that does not mean that christianity as a whole is crap. There however, other reasons why christianity as a whole is crap.
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awt
from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-03-14 13:53 [#00125782]
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hmm I know its good for peoples to belive. But the fanatic part is truly sick.
So are all other religions to. As we all know the bible people read today isnt the same as the firts version of the bible.
So the humans has been making changes for their own comfortability.
By the way did you know that the earlier versions of the bible is about 10times more violent that the korahn(spells?)
well i belive in my toilet Per Olof Göranson.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 13:55 [#00125783]
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Those are common theories. But not that I care. I have problems with christianity on a more basic (fundamental I should say) level.
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awt
from kristianstad (Sweden) on 2002-03-14 13:59 [#00125786]
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ok, (what am I talking about, I dont like anyone, maby mom)
Well I wish the religios peoples would leave my fuffen door alone. Im going to grab som coffe now. Its been a plesure talking to you.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 14:04 [#00125791]
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Cheers
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 14:12 [#00125793]
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korahn(spells?) = I think it's Qu'ran but there are a couple of acceptable spellings.
I just found out that many religious scholars think that the Jehovah's version of the bible intentionally mis-interprets the original hebrewic texts so it fits more with their beliefs as awt said.
I think the people like your ex's mum really paint a ba d picture. There was this guy who stopped me at a train station and asked if I'd go to his church, I went once and was appalled, they were Jehovahs and were all wearing really smart suits. Although they seemed friendly enough they were giving me funny looks because I was wearing a t-shirt, jeans and a leather jacket. I don't recall Jesus ever being described as a "snappy dresser"...
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-03-14 14:16 [#00125795]
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Nice story... I don't go to church... Imagine me showing up like this...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 14:23 [#00125799]
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he he :)
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 14:25 [#00125800]
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Religion is the opium of the people
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 14:29 [#00125806]
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"then ninja tunes is the marijuana for the lunatic fringe" Xen Cuts booklet.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-14 16:54 [#00125964]
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Xen Cuts is class. I only had a taped copy but will have to get the CDs. Saul Williams' Twice the First Time is amazing
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-14 17:14 [#00125990]
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"And I'm like, shu-clack-clack, get me the fuck off this track " Great song.
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