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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:32 [#02029604]
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though undoubtedly it is also an inmate's surroundings that add to the development of mental health issues.
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-10 04:37 [#02029607]
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That's very true. I'm sure the inmates who get shit and razors put in their food get pretty depressed.
With locking some prisoners in their rooms for so long, it's almost as if they want to fuck them up as much as possible. Fuck, can you imagine being locked in one room all day for years, with nothing to do? If they weren't mentally ill before, they definitely would be after that. And then, after their prison sentence, they just.. release them. No supported housing, no counselling. Nothing. Almost every step of the way, the criminals are getting fucked up a little bit more
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:43 [#02029608]
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what about open prisons? they are supposed to be half-way houses you go to at the end of a long sentence.
but still, its probably not enough. the prison system certainly needs reforming. maybe even the whole concept of imprisonment.
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2007-01-10 04:46 [#02029610]
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good point. but only a very small minority go there. Still, that's part of their sentence. After their sentence is over, the vast majority get no help at all.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:54 [#02029612]
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these open prisons have not escaped criticism either, or perhaps more accurately, the running of these open prisons has not escaped criticism.
bbc article
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-01-10 04:57 [#02029614]
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Prisons are in no way optimal. They are extremely expensive for the government, and they don't really help that much.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 05:56 [#02029648]
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I have yet to see a better suggestion to deal with crime than incarceration. Sure, there is the punishment element that may or may not work. What do you do with people who have a tenancy to want to act out antisocially? Not looking at some of the minor crimes like breaking into cars and shoplifting. What I mean is, what do you do with people who have a history of assault, rape and murder? Where do you put these people? Granted a lot of them are going to be crazy, but how far do you go with psychological treatment before 1) you end up robbing them of their ability to make a choice [feeding the baby till it gets to fat so to speak] 2) you discover that the person may not want treatment in the first place 3) the dangerous people are put in a situation where they are more likely to get access to people they are a threat to sooner.
I think clockwork orange is a good movie to bring up here. It discusses most of these issues.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-01-10 05:59 [#02029652]
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Good movie that. I think you should disginguish a lot more between criminals. It's not like a criminal is a criminal.
People who did fraud for example, might be pretty normal dudes, who could spend their time in prison doing something for soceity, instead of just rotting away. Why are these people put together with rapists and killers?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 06:03 [#02029660]
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They aren't, if I am not mistaken. In a lot of countries people like that just end up being put on probation or kept under home arrest. Or they get put in minimum security prisons.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 06:05 [#02029663]
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For the sake of this discussion, lets just say that when I say criminal, I am talking about violent crime.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2007-01-10 07:32 [#02029700]
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DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW, THEN.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2007-01-10 14:22 [#02029916]
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Welcome back, yeah?
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