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why the hell do organic food people hate non-organic food? its just a "eeeeuuuurrrgh yuck, nasty chemicals" thing isnt it? theres nothing wrong with them. the evidence is here. organic food is over-priced and over-rated and pointless. |
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GM food = IDM |
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holy shit, my friends dad is an elite member of the the soil association! they're an awfully committed bunch of folk, and i wouldn't trust a word they say about your organic goods. |
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eating organic food is like a religion. it makes you feel that will be saved. |
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its not really valid information when you have someone defending and nay saying. it should be about options and their pros and cons, thats it. this is a load of shit. |
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organic shit |
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im lodging at the moment with village 'small holders' and they say organic is rubbish. just make sure its grown in britain as we have tighter laws than europe on chemicals that they spray on them. they also said its worth having organic milk as it doesnt have one thing or another in it, normal milk reduces your resistance to disease in the long run. |
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my parents always buy organic food when they can... i can't say i'm fully convinced by it. i think the idea is good in theory, and i'm ready to support it if it's good for the environment, but in practice you have less choice, it often turns out to be more expensive and not always tasting better (it's even sometimes the contrary). i like my fancy industrially processed breakfast cereal, biscuits and desserts, even if there are weird ingredients in them. |
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most of it tastes way better. i don't buy it though, too expensive. |
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It tastes better, it probably is healthier in the long run. but in the long run we're all dead so.. |
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my housemate works at a hippie health food store, and we eat mostly organic at home, and i can say ive generally never felt healthier (besides the cigarettes and binge drinking of course) |
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it's more expensive, but it's also more often "righteous" in that you get some kind of guarantee that all those involved get a fair deal when it comes to wages and treatment, etc. It's not necessarily a link, but it's often so. |
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"Organic" food, like "free range" eggs doesn't actually really mean a lot in many cases. That is, aside from real organic food not being (provably) any better for you, a lot of food that claims to be organic isn't really grown on some little fairytale farm by a farmer and his wife and watered/fed by hand. It's still, by and large, intensively farmed and in any event there is seepage of pesticides/growth supplements from nearby (non-organic) farms anyway. It's predominantely a hippie fad used to sell overpriced food to people with too much disposable income. I mean, organic oven chips, wtf? If you cared about your health some much, would you really be eating chips at all, let alone ready made ones? Although I don't agree with DM's link between fair trade and organic (I actually saw a news story suggesting this wasn't the case last year), I think he makes a valid point. It'd be far more important to me to buy fair trade goods than organic ones. |
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As I said, it isn't a necessary link, but the people who care about their food being organic also often care about it being righteous. Thus, if you're in the organic food business, you don't want customers to shun you, so you're better off if you make it fair trade as well. |
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it's not just about being more healthy, it's also about it being better for the environment. if there is seepage from farmers who do use pesticides that can hardly be called a valid argument not to propose organic foods - that's a bit like saying you should smoke because other people smoke and you'll be inhaling second hand smoke anyway. also, it is quite healthy to eat fatty foods - it simply depends on how much fatty foods you eat. your whole thinking on this seems to be in extremes, which doesn't do much justice to reality. |
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Genetically modified foods are also bad for the environment. Because all of the plants in a field are exactly the same, if one is vulnerable to a pest or disease, they all are. With the likelihood that gm plants will become somewhat standardized, that means that it is probable that a pest or disease could wipe out hundreds of acres of cropland. Also, there have been cases of people being allergic to certain gm foods (just to add, if we are listing pros and cons). |
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Agriculture, not the environment. Though they do often promote the use of pesticides, because on of the main uses of creating gm plants is to immunize them to pesticides so that the pests can be wiped out without hurting the crop. |
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there are actually negative consequences for the nature with ecological food as well.. even "natural" fertilizer will get into rivers and stimulate algae growth (which leads to the algae using up all the oxygen so that the fish can't survive there, etc, plus the stuff is in some cases toxic to the fish). |
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i only eat hydrophonically grown phood |
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I only eat Doritos and Chicken McNuggets! |
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It's predominantely a hippie fad used to sell overpriced food to people with too much disposable income. I mean, organic oven chips, wtf? If you cared about your health some much, would you really be eating chips at all, let alone ready made ones? I don't think this could be true. If it were, then some organic farmer would sell his products cheaper to sell more, causing all others to lower the prices and so on... prices are probably at an equilibrium of production costs and demand/supply. This means that it would make no sense to try to overprice, because this wouldn't mean a higher revenue. (did that make sense?) IMO the premise of organic food makes sense, not eating hormones sounds like a good idea to me (the same for gm vegetables). You can even see and taste the difference in most cases. |
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It's tastier, healthier, and proper. To properly and extensively introduce GM foods into the food chain would be a tragedy, in my opinion. |
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healthier: doesnt the BBC page talk about how it isn't healtiher? and why "proper"? |
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Its funny that this article puts organic food vs pesticides, because there are also hormones and stuff to be considered. There was a study that showed that bovine growth hormone pushes girls(humans) into puberty faster. I wonder who funded this study. |
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Oh, the Soil Administration is a government thing? Oh. |
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Ezkerraldean, people just like the "idea" of it, it sounds natural, whereas chemicals being used in their food sounds like it's bad and playing with nature. They then try to justify it any way they can. Once you've started spending lots more money on it (which if it's no better for you, you've effectively pissed up the wall, compared to buying non-organic food) there's an even greater psychological commitment to it and you're highly unlikely to say, "yeah, it's a waste of time and money." no matter how conclusive the proof that it is. Yes, GM foods (if they're all the same, which they needn't be) are more susceptible to disease in the sense that the whole lot could be wiped out. To a degree, this is offset by the fact that they're more resistant to disease in the first place. I agree we should keep some different to ensure that there wouldn't be a world famine, but this could be achieved by different strains of crop (none of which need actually be non-GM). Besides, it's not likely we'd get a disease that would affect all vegetables; it'd be more like all potatoes, or all carrots. I don't think many people would starve as a result. In any event, it's nothing to do with them being organic. Yes, Organic food is generally non-GM. That doesn't mean all non-organic food is GM and it's not what we're discussing here. Besides, there's actually very little evidence that GM is bad for us. According to a mate who is a doctor, the whole argument behind it is flawed. The inital "breakthrough" demonstrating it to be dangerous was made using a rather biased experiment to get sensationalist results by a researcher who was about to lose his research grant. The experiment landed him several years more funding. Hardly impartial... For the record, most of our food is organic, but that's because my gf buys it. I've reasoned with her, but she won't listen. It's not like when we eat at other people's houses/out at restaurants I'll ask if it's organic though. |
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There's also a lot of evidence to suggest our more well rounded diets (not to mention greater quantities of food being available) is the main reason for kids, girl in particular, going through puberty sooner. It's not like hormones on food are the sole reason it occurs years earlier than it did 100 years ago... |
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its not that i am against it, it just annoys me when people (a lot of people do round here) defend it so rigorously when there really is no noticeable benefit. |
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Yes. I have nothing against it per se (as it happens, the last thing I ate was an organic bean burger, with organic lettuce on organic wholemeal bread). It's more the attitude that, "it must be better for you and you're stupid if you think otherwise" (in spite of a lack of evidence) that gets on my nerves. |
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seriously, what is the fuss. shouldnt we be grateful that we have a choice of produce in the first place? |
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you can't beat organic heinz tomato ketchup mmmm... |
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CERI: It's as simple as this: if it goes into your body, it WILL have an effect on it, you may not know what the effect is but as the old saying goes 'better evil known than evil to be known'. The hormones thing is well studied. And, as it's been said before, you can see and taste the difference. |
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