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I listened to the album all the way through finally and it's absolutely amazing. The feeling I had when I finished was it was the best album I've ever heard, (but I tend to get that feeling whenever I listen to top notch stuff) I kept avoiding it because the first song is BORING, and repels you from the album, (plus it's in mono so it makes the next song with heavy panning seem much quiter, kinda lessens the impact it was supposed to have) but the rest is superbo. This guy KNOWS what he's doing. It's very autechreish... |
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it's very emotionless. but cool yeah |
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i only like the songs with a beat. i'm thinking of getting it, but i'm going to buy escalo frio by otto von schirach first. |
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I reccommmend "8000 bc" much more than escalo frio. Some escalo frio tracks were'nt' really all hyper intricately finished. I agree it's emotionless, it's thinking music pretty much. That's fine by me, because I'm stupid and it lelps me thinkf. |
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i kept my distance for so long from lipswitch because of all the people bashing it. finally, when i heard some good things about aleamapper, i bought both records. damn! i cant believe i didnt buy that record sooner! lipswitch is really, REALLY good. youve got to listen at least 10 times to that album before your brain can process all the sounds in those tracks. but man, it'S really worth it! and surprisingly, aleamapper didn't do much for me at all... |
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Yeah! Same here (so far) aleamapper hasn't impressed me much at all (another reason I avoided lipswitch)... I havn't even heard the whole album (aleamapper) though... Lipswitch is getting to the point where people with dinky freeware can no longer do that stuff, you need advanced stuff to make stuff that long and complex and evolving... maybe. |
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aleamapper is the best album ever. fact! |
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What about the first track on lipswitch, I thought it kinda sucked, and I though aleamapper seemed kinda like a whole bunch of these type of tracks... I need to listen and find out. (but the rest of lipswitch kicks ass) |
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yeah, i dont know much about the technical aspects of making music, but that guy's got skills! |
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ha ha! you're animation is all messed up, that's how my first one was. Now my animation is dead sexy though. |
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i kind of like the 1rst track on lipswitch. it's a lot better than all those ambient tracks on aleamapper, imo. |
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music sounds the best when you don't know anything about how to make it. |
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Lipswitch is da shit! - haven't heard Aleamapper. There's some article on the nativeinstruments site .. where he describes getting up to a 1000 sounds for one song .. he also used 4 computers .. so yeah .. no simple stuff.!!! |
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have you heard Crunch's album? It's hyper impressing too. you can get it at forcedexposure.com. |
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right, seems more impressive |
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w M w - you've got to be kidding. i was going to buy that album yesterday, but changed my mind since i was buying 3 records already on forcedexposure... |
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I was trying to understand how this one song was chaotic and organized at the same time, I think he'll have a unit that repeats say, 1 time out of every 16 times: X000000000000000(keep repeating) like that, but every time this "x" strikes, it's a different type of mutation of a certain quality of sound. LIke different mutations might be: 1)X xx x 2)x 3)XYX But there's a different sound that mutates on every single one of those other 0's... etc... but it KEEPS mutating, like software must've been used, or code or something better than copy/cut/paste... |
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I've bought a lot on forced exposure, you can't buy this rare stuff just anywhere (at least I can't find it hardly anywhere but other people say they find otto von schirach etc in their home music stores) Crunch kicks ass, it's so minimal and complex at once. The sound TRULY evolves on this album, it's so tricky... it's like extremely attention grabbing, like, those weird gizmos you buy like lava lamps or something but way better than that... |
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track 13 is ill on crunch, like I get shivers when I hear it. It's perfect. It's like supernatural. |
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wMw..I am not surpriesed that you dug Lipswitch:) tremendous album... Aleamapper's vast huge..very complex and awe inspiring..a slightly different buzz to Lipswitch's organized chaos..it's a lot looser... |
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wMw: i intend to get "1" .. [waiting for the credit card tho] .. will get 8000Bc aswell i thunk .. d/l boombonic plague ep off schematic, not bad (the title track i think was the standout - with the ricki martin sample worked in) .. i did this really cool pattern thing in class yesterday .. try this. oOOOOOoOOOooOOoooOoooooOoooOOooOOO and make it into a cirle .. ie the first o joins the last O .. i thought turned out quite cool anyway .. takes awhile to figure out how big the circle should be tho |
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crunch is magic, that's the best description. |
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actually it would be cool doing it on a circular piece of cardboard .. then sticking a pen in the middle and rotating it .. something for today i imagine |
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crunch is definitly my next purchase now! is it true that no one knows nothing about them? |
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hey korben, that's cool, I know why it's interesting (but havn't like drawn it on paper to see what it looks like)... it tesselates like mc escher... the little o's go in this order: 1,1,2,3,5,3,2 and the big ones go in the same order! 1,1,2,3,5,3,2 but the other direction! that's cool... See, that's symmetry, symmetry is always interesting to me. It confuses the brain or something. Yeah, I thought aleamapper seemed more ambientish. |
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In one review of crunch it said "editors note: it is now fairly well known that crunch is dave tipper and some other guy" But they did send it to musik aus strom anonymously I guess, with their words all glitched and stuff, and just an email address... |
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That might be cool to translate into music data, like the big o's become sound type 1 and small o's sound type two... tesselating stuff is cool, it accounts for negative space... negative space becomes positive space too... |
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Too bad it works out to be 34 total circles, if it was 32 it'd be easy to draw (just keep dividing a circle's total circumference in half till you get 32 evenly distributed units...) |
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yeah .. i haven't actually started "proper" to stuff around with pattern and music .. but yeah .. I love MCE .. i did do this interesting sounding thing generated from one chord .. and then doing the fractal thing .. then superimposing and halfing the time intervals and increasing an octave each time .. then had an lfo running across it and had a loud/quiet pattern going through it as well. interst sound. |
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i've been using the fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc., etc.) for stuff. there's also some other thing that i forgot what it is. it's 2, 2 squared, (2 squared) + 2, ((2 squared) + 2) squared, ((2 squared) + 2) squared + 2. |
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yeah .. if it'd hand drawn its ok .. cause you can cheat a little (as the circles aren't uniform in size) .. one of these days i'll put it onto a graphix program.. that woudl be quite cool. |
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fibonacci ! that's what it was .. i was mumbling bernoulli to myself, but i somehow knew that wasn't it. the squared business sounds quite interesting. apparently monet (or something? don't really know for sure) used the fibornacci ratio (without him knowing) - in his use of perspective? like some road with trees spaced at "regular" intervals .. when analysed showed up the 1,1,2,3 .. etc pattern .. which as a result gave an accurate perception of depth/perspective |
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I bet taht would look cool if you spun it around... you'd see 2 patterns at once... especially if they were all the same size but instead different colors, it'd be easy for the brain to distinguish them... I liked those asci (whatever) art things you drew on that other thread, that some nerd deleted heh heh. I've thought about using fibonacci, but it'd probably just sound like randomly placed sound hits, the brain probably can't really make the distinction... plus as you get going, the numbers get farther and farther apart, so eventually you have huge gaps of empty time or somthing. I like moire patterns (hold 2 black combs together and slowly move one while keeping the other still) that's an interesting concept. |
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with fibonacci or the squared thing, i give each number a value in accordance to the quantization. other interesting thing with 1/1.5 ratios that the body follows by. if the legs are given the value of 1.5, the torso will equal 1. if the last bone on the finger is given a value of 1, then the next joint (the middle one of your three bones in a finger) will have a value of 1.5, if that middle joint is given the value of 1, then the next joint ( the one that connects to the hand) will have a value of 1.5. this 1/1.5 ratio is a standard for all humans. |
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interesting, why does a snail shell spiral... the geometry of a creature that keeps getting bigger as it builds a shell. That reminds me of this weird thing I wanted to do , like take a picture of a hand, but at the tip of each finger blend the finger tip with a mini wrist and a new hand, then repeat, even smaller hands on those smaller fingers... and have them all in different positions and weird stuff, heh heh. |
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*hevquip is seen doing a flying kick in the background lol |
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i think fibonacci works in music if the time increments are small enough .. but yeah .. if it is anywhere like 2seconds+ it would be too hard to detect. the spinning thing would be cool. infact, that would be a really cool gif for this mb! mmmhhh.. what do you use to make the gifs? |
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I use paint shop pro's thing "animation shop 2", it has a "rotation effect" like the one shown <-- in my pic, but it can't change speed, it's kinda a limited program from what i've seen. I could probably make something like that. hmmmm... |
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thats a cool gif you got there yo self. actually if one had that initial circle, then colour the o's in roygbiv (or just decreasing/increasing wavelength) and do the same (but opposite) for the O's .. then rotate the colours (ie treating the o circle and the O circle as seperate. .. and have the colours change the opposite way ??? that way the actual pattern remains static, but with the colours is still highly dynamic?? mmmhhh.. or could do it the other way .. keeping the colours fixed and rotating the o's .. mmmhhh.. mabye not tho. |
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with the fibonacci thing though, i do this... 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89... 1= 0/96 2= 6/96 3= 12/96 4= 18/96 5= 24/96 6= 30/96 7= 36/96 8= 42/96 9= 48/96 10= 54/96 11= 60/96 12= 66/96 13= 72/96 14= 78/96 15= 84/96 16= 90/96 (this is numbers corresponding to 1/16th quantization) therefore with 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89.. we have 0/96, 0/96, 6/96, 12/96, 24/96, 42/96, 72/96, but then we need a quantized value for the number 21. 21 will be given the value of 16 + 5. this means we've made it through one quantized step already, so we now have the first one, which is 0/96, 0/96, 6/96, 12/96, 24/96, 42/96, 72/96 then the second one will start with fibonacci number 21, or quantized step number five, equalling 24/96. so that's first step: 0/96, 0/96, 6/96, 12/96, 24/96, 42/96, 72/96 second step: 24/96 34 will equal 16 + 16 + 2 (technically this would be 24/96 on the second step) 55 will equal 16 + 16 + 16 + 7 (this would be 36/96 on the third step) so yes, there is the problem with lots of empty space first step: 0/96, 0/96, 6/96, 12/96, 24/96, 42/96, 72/96 second step: 24/96 third step: 36/96 but to prevent so much empty space, you could move the 36/96 of the third step to the second step (because 36/96 does come after 24/96 after all, so why move up a step when you can move to the nearest quantized space), so you would then have first step: 0/96, 0/96, 6/96, 12/96, 24/96, 42/96, 72/96 second step: 24/96, 36/96, etc., etc, etc. x step: etc., etc., etc., etc., so i may not be using fibonacci in the truest sense, i am still using the numbers from it and moving them in their order by a complete space (not quantizations) to not have large gaps of empty space. |
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i wrote too much for my theory to be ignored. back up to the top. |
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ugh, I'm gonna have to read both of your posts later when there aren't fish swimming in my skull... |
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mmhh.. hevquiv .. yeah .. but once you start altering the structure it starts to compromise the original effect?? altho don't know exactly what it sounds like .. what one could do is have the proper (despite the large/ever increasing time intervals) just start another fibonacci sequence, say second line 0/96 or something.. and then do THAT again, after a while (provided the susequent .. sequences are started so that you get a lot of superimposition after a while). if you were to use different sound properties for these could get quite interesting .. |
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damnit i messed up a bit with fibonacci number 34. it would be 0/96 on step 2oh well, i think you guys could figure it out. |
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yes, you could start the fibonacci sequence over, but you can only fit a bit in each part. |
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or maybe one needs to add an element of symmetry - as in like 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,13,8,5,3,2,1,1 ?? to tie it down (ofcourse 21 doesn't have to be the turning point). or you could have reverse fibonacci sequences starting from the end of the song! .. and/or superimpose it with fibonnacci x2 sequences .. ie, 2,2,6,10,16 ... and actually superimposing it with multiplied sequences, but having these match a fibonnacci pattern also, so like: 1,1,2,3,5... 1,1,2,3,5... 2,2,4,6,10... 3,3,6,9,15... 5,5,10,15,25... :) |
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yeah, i've got stuff written down on paper about fibonacci sequencing and spacing. i just use it for timing and what not if i can't think of a beat. |
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I just downloaded a Crunch track don't know how representative of thier sound it is "am.I.ma"..hmm sounds like standard IDM stuff to me..nice ambient pads..a distorted hiphop rhythms..a few granulizing interludes..not bad..but just not setting my world alight yet.. I am downloading the whole album will let you know what I thunk |
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just listening to Matmos-L.a.s.i.k niice track |
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hev: :) yeah .. plus while fibonnacci is cool visually - i don't know if that automatically equates to the same sort of appeal sound wise |
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