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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 01:44 [#02018442]
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This thread will make history on our planet as being the origination of the first human-superior artificial intelligence, known now as the internet. The problem preventing it from being intelligent now is that the internet is just the people using the internet. So it's a big network of human brains, but a large group of human brains is really just a large group of human brains rather than a unified network.
I suspect the solution to give the internet its own intelligence is surprisingly simple. We just need one piece of software of some sort and every human on the internet should install a copy. I'm not quite sure what the software would do and I'm not going to make it, however I will allow the software to be called 'w M w' in my honor since I thought of it. Now go make it.
Preferably whatever results will immediately be vastly intelligent compared to us (as opposed to having us gradually make it to that point over time) and it will think as one single being using google to find/contemplate all the information we humans initially uploaded, then easily take it from there. It'll start building its physical body, etc. You'll see it from the moon like a giant shiny pulsing growth on one side of earth. That's where I'll be, the moon, and I'll be laughing quite evily at all of your terrible fates since the most efficient fuel for it will be a particular molecule only extracted by humans from their sweat after they are tortured slowly.
But then... I'll be the only one left after it uses all of you.. and by then it'll have perfected its techniques to torture the longest and the slowest... and it'll come for me. But I'll trick it by pretending I'm a moon rock. It'll then be all like 'where did he go' and stuff and instead it'll return to earth and find a way to extract energy from the feces produced from all of you. I'm not going to proof read this; I hope the errors make you go blind.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 01:53 [#02018445]
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Isaac Newton once said "if I can see further than other men... it's because I've killed the other men who were smarter than me"
Before Newton came along humanity as a whole was an extremely intelligent species. We all decended from the idiots left after his slaughter.
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exsub
from United Kingdom on 2006-12-17 02:02 [#02018446]
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That's just not possible.
Robots we build will never be smarter than us, now let me clarify the way in which I use that term 'smart'
Intelligence is built upon two factors (imo) the speed, and the abstract thought of which it is capable of, in other words - imagination.
Humans have the imagination, and the speed... We make machines and robots to increase the speed, not the imagination.
We can built computers, vastly quicker at deciphering information, doesn't matter what information, it can generally do it faster...
Though, what we have and robots do not have is the conciousness and imagination..
It stands that whatever we are capable of creating, it is limited by our imagination, and that my friend, you cannot exceed.. therefore, whatever us humans create, it will never really be 'smarter' than us.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 02:17 [#02018448]
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It'll be able to imagine the entire history of all human imagination in a fraction of a second. It'll barely consider you conscious. It'll be like.. rocks, lettuce, humans, what's the difference. I wonder if it would want to create peers or know they'd be competition. It'd probably design them so they're all a single network... probably build a Super internet out of it's peers and itself, then magnifying the process all over again into another larger single networked intelligent being.
Actually maybe it'd calculate that building many smaller physical bodies is better. Or might as well exploit the physical bodies of humans with bio-control chips it creates, then only use them for food/fuel when they get old. Maybe it'll eat some babies now and then because like us thinks veil is delicious. I can imagine a farm full of pregnant woman now, being milked too.
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Wolfslice
from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-12-17 02:22 [#02018449]
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Lt. Cmdr. Data
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-12-17 02:48 [#02018453]
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Perfect script for AvP4:The ultimate wMw
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 03:51 [#02018466]
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CONGRATS!!: The internet will prevail!
It's a story about community and collaboration on a scale never seen before. It's about the cosmic compendium of knowledge Wikipedia and the million-channel people's network YouTube and the online metropolis MySpace. It's about the many wresting power from the few and helping one another for nothing and how that will not only change the world, but also change the way the world changes.
The tool that makes this possible is the World Wide Web. Not the Web that Tim Berners-Lee hacked together (15 years ago, according to Wikipedia) as a way for scientists to share research. It's not even the overhyped dotcom Web of the late 1990s. The new Web is a very different thing. It's a tool for bringing together the small contributions of millions of people and making them matter. Silicon Valley consultants call it Web 2.0, as if it were a new version of some old software. But it's really a revolution.
Honestly though, Al Gore should have won.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 04:19 [#02018469]
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I hope you do realise that with that kind of reasoning you're getting yourself in A LOT of shit. Because what it generally comes down to is to defining 'consciousness' and 'imagination'. And as you probably already know, those kind of discussions are VERY tiresome. But that's not the only thing which makes it tiresome. Even if there would be agreement at this point, there wouldn't be the experimental evidence to back it up. Where would you be when, in the distant future, science proves otherwise?
In other words: it's nice to have an opinion on whether it would be possible or not. And your arguments may be the product of pure genius, but at this point in time it's pretty useless. The sky is the limit.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 04:48 [#02018472]
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Your arguments are chicken pox, once the systems we build become too complex to understand, consciousness and a higher intelligence might emerge from them.
Look at it this way: we are able to understand signal transmission from the eyes to the brain, but we are unable (and i think we'll never be able to) correlate the chemisty in a brain to feelings or thoughts.
So when some dude in 2012 comes up with a sufficiently complex way of programming and building a computer from say goat neurons and photo-electronics, and trains it, we'd have no idea what goes on in there. Behold: the emergence of intelligence!
Also, you could already call the internet alive.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 04:50 [#02018473]
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Well of course you could program a chat robot right now. You'd know what's going on in its programming, and still argue about its ontology. And like goDel sez, those things are messy.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 04:54 [#02018474]
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please get your ass on soulseek. i'm trying to get some ceephax of of you
that, and GO INTERNETBRAIN!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:00 [#02018475]
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it's not entirely unlikely that we may some day be able to create some sort of artificial intelligence, but I'm not really sure we could be able to do anything more than create the structure the intelligence would emerge on. Intelligence requires input, learning, interaction, experience, etc etc, and these are things we don't know how to "create." We could, however, perhaps create a computer that was able to do all these things and then someone would have to raise it like a normal child.
I don't think people will bother because it's easier and more pleasurable to fuck.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 05:07 [#02018477]
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how big would the market be for artificial fucks?
exactly
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:15 [#02018478]
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hahaha!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-12-17 05:17 [#02018479]
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Not really. Pretty much we think within the confines of our conditioning. Whatever falls outside of that is generally just an accident. I think what sets us above any other creater in the food chain is the ability to be distracted and make mistakes.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:20 [#02018480]
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I'm sure there's not much to be said about consciousness and what it exactly is, but I like Sartres way of putting it and I also think an important aspect of it is the ability for it to create itself, in a way...
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 09:51 [#02018547]
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Thansky!!
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 12:19 [#02018592]
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id call it 'bloody lush'. aciiiiid!
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