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offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 01:44 [#02018442]
Points: 21454 Status: Regular



This thread will make history on our planet as being the
origination of the first human-superior artificial
intelligence, known now as the internet. The problem
preventing it from being intelligent now is that the
internet is just the people using the internet. So
it's a big network of human brains, but a large group of
human brains is really just a large group of human brains
rather than a unified network.
I suspect the solution to give the internet its own
intelligence is surprisingly simple. We just need one piece
of software of some sort and every human on the internet
should install a copy. I'm not quite sure what the software
would do and I'm not going to make it, however I will allow
the software to be called 'w M w' in my honor since I
thought of it. Now go make it.
Preferably whatever results will immediately be vastly
intelligent compared to us (as opposed to having us
gradually make it to that point over time) and it will think
as one single being using google to find/contemplate all the
information we humans initially uploaded, then easily take
it from there. It'll start building its physical body, etc.
You'll see it from the moon like a giant shiny pulsing
growth on one side of earth. That's where I'll be, the moon,
and I'll be laughing quite evily at all of your terrible
fates since the most efficient fuel for it will be a
particular molecule only extracted by humans from their
sweat after they are tortured slowly.
But then... I'll be the only one left after it uses all of
you.. and by then it'll have perfected its techniques to
torture the longest and the slowest... and it'll come for
me. But I'll trick it by pretending I'm a moon rock. It'll
then be all like 'where did he go' and stuff and instead
it'll return to earth and find a way to extract energy from
the feces produced from all of you. I'm not going to proof
read this; I hope the errors make you go blind.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 01:53 [#02018445]
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Isaac Newton once said "if I can see further than other
men... it's because I've killed the other men who were
smarter than me"

Before Newton came along humanity as a whole was an
extremely intelligent species. We all decended from the
idiots left after his slaughter.


 

offline exsub from United Kingdom on 2006-12-17 02:02 [#02018446]
Points: 524 Status: Lurker



That's just not possible.

Robots we build will never be smarter than us, now let me
clarify the way in which I use that term 'smart'

Intelligence is built upon two factors (imo) the speed, and
the abstract thought of which it is capable of, in other
words - imagination.

Humans have the imagination, and the speed... We make
machines and robots to increase the speed, not the
imagination.

We can built computers, vastly quicker at deciphering
information, doesn't matter what information, it can
generally do it faster...

Though, what we have and robots do not have is the
conciousness and imagination..

It stands that whatever we are capable of creating, it is
limited by our imagination, and that my friend, you cannot
exceed.. therefore, whatever us humans create, it will never
really be 'smarter' than us.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-17 02:17 [#02018448]
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It'll be able to imagine the entire history of all human
imagination in a fraction of a second. It'll barely consider
you conscious. It'll be like.. rocks, lettuce, humans,
what's the difference. I wonder if it would want to create
peers or know they'd be competition. It'd probably design
them so they're all a single network... probably build a
Super internet out of it's peers and itself, then magnifying
the process all over again into another larger single
networked intelligent being.
Actually maybe it'd calculate that building many smaller
physical bodies is better. Or might as well exploit the
physical bodies of humans with bio-control chips it creates,
then only use them for food/fuel when they get old. Maybe
it'll eat some babies now and then because like us thinks
veil is delicious. I can imagine a farm full of pregnant
woman now, being milked too.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2006-12-17 02:22 [#02018449]
Points: 4910 Status: Lurker



Lt. Cmdr. Data


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-12-17 02:48 [#02018453]
Points: 19377 Status: Regular



Perfect script for AvP4:The ultimate wMw


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 03:51 [#02018466]
Points: 10225 Status: Lurker



CONGRATS!!: The internet will prevail!

It's a story about community and collaboration on a scale
never seen before. It's about the cosmic compendium of
knowledge Wikipedia and the million-channel people's network
YouTube and the online metropolis MySpace. It's about the
many wresting power from the few and helping one another for
nothing and how that will not only change the world, but
also change the way the world changes.

The tool that makes this possible is the World Wide Web. Not
the Web that Tim Berners-Lee hacked together (15 years ago,
according to Wikipedia) as a way for scientists to share
research. It's not even the overhyped dotcom Web of the late
1990s. The new Web is a very different thing. It's a tool
for bringing together the small contributions of millions of
people and making them matter. Silicon Valley consultants
call it Web 2.0, as if it were a new version of some old
software. But it's really a revolution.


Honestly though, Al Gore should have won.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 04:19 [#02018469]
Points: 10225 Status: Lurker | Followup to exsub: #02018446



I hope you do realise that with that kind of reasoning
you're getting yourself in A LOT of shit. Because what it
generally comes down to is to defining 'consciousness' and
'imagination'. And as you probably already know, those kind
of discussions are VERY tiresome. But that's not the only
thing which makes it tiresome. Even if there would be
agreement at this point, there wouldn't be the experimental
evidence to back it up. Where would you be when, in the
distant future, science proves otherwise?
In other words: it's nice to have an opinion on whether it
would be possible or not. And your arguments may be the
product of pure genius, but at this point in time it's
pretty useless. The sky is the limit.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 04:48 [#02018472]
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Your arguments are chicken pox, once the systems we build
become too complex to understand, consciousness and a higher
intelligence might emerge from them.

Look at it this way: we are able to understand signal
transmission from the eyes to the brain, but we are unable
(and i think we'll never be able to) correlate the chemisty
in a brain to feelings or thoughts.

So when some dude in 2012 comes up with a sufficiently
complex way of programming and building a computer from say
goat neurons and photo-electronics, and trains it, we'd have
no idea what goes on in there. Behold: the emergence of
intelligence!

Also, you could already call the internet alive.


 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 04:50 [#02018473]
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Well of course you could program a chat robot right now.
You'd know what's going on in its programming, and still
argue about its ontology. And like goDel sez, those things
are messy.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 04:54 [#02018474]
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please get your ass on soulseek. i'm trying to get some
ceephax of of you

that, and
GO INTERNETBRAIN!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:00 [#02018475]
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it's not entirely unlikely that we may some day be able to
create some sort of artificial intelligence, but I'm not
really sure we could be able to do anything more than create
the structure the intelligence would emerge on. Intelligence
requires input, learning, interaction, experience, etc etc,
and these are things we don't know how to "create." We
could, however, perhaps create a computer that was
able to do all these things and then someone would have to
raise it like a normal child.

I don't think people will bother because it's easier and
more pleasurable to fuck.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 05:07 [#02018477]
Points: 10225 Status: Lurker | Followup to Drunken Mastah: #02018475



how big would the market be for artificial fucks?

exactly


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:15 [#02018478]
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hahaha!


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offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-12-17 05:17 [#02018479]
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Not really. Pretty much we think within the confines of our
conditioning. Whatever falls outside of that is generally
just an accident. I think what sets us above any other
creater in the food chain is the ability to be distracted
and make mistakes.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-17 05:20 [#02018480]
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I'm sure there's not much to be said about consciousness and
what it exactly is, but I like Sartres way of putting it and
I also think an important aspect of it is the ability for it
to create itself, in a way...


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-17 09:51 [#02018547]
Points: 10225 Status: Lurker | Followup to JAroen: #02018473



Thansky!!



 

offline JAroen from the pineal gland on 2006-12-17 12:19 [#02018592]
Points: 16065 Status: Regular



id call it 'bloody lush'. aciiiiid!


 


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