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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 04:11 [#02016333]
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Have we discussed this? Is it worth discussing? Is Snocap something bad (I thought it was some anti-p2p thing). Would you consider it? Is it just another legitimate avenue for artists to sell their work.. or is the whiff of The Man all too strong as he greedily stuffs your underground tracks into his corporate underpants. Who buys this rubbish anyway?
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-12 04:18 [#02016334]
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Fuck that. MySpace should be freely raped IMO.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-12-12 04:19 [#02016335]
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I think I remember readin' something about the music you put on MySpace... The "User Agreement" states that everything you upload automatically belongs to MySpace owners... but can't remember much...
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-12 04:20 [#02016336]
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Snocap reminds me of what mp3.com tried to do circa 1999
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-12 04:21 [#02016337]
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There were loads of shit going around about that, they changed the terms since then.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 04:22 [#02016338]
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I don't think that wass true, what they were saying was they have the right to play your music on their site, otherwise you could upload your music, some other user plays it, and then you go "wtf???!?! who said you could play my music??? You owe me $$$$$$$$$$$s in damages" like some craven American legal eagle with blood in his nostrils might.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-12-12 04:39 [#02016342]
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Just logged in to see there's a mail from fella Tom explainin' some of this stuff... To me it seems a waste of time.
Nobody would buy our stuff. They don't buy our cds or vinyls. We make more money sellin' t-shirts with our logo. Sad but true.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 04:40 [#02016343]
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ZZ Top sold more key rings than records, don't worry about it.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-12-12 04:44 [#02016344]
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Jajaja! No worries here. I just do it to play gigs and get free beers and drugs...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-12 04:54 [#02016347]
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hmm
it just looks like they're trying to go up against itunes music store...
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-12-12 04:55 [#02016348]
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And they are Google powered now... whatever that means. Just realized...
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edgey
from New York (United States) on 2006-12-12 08:54 [#02016412]
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The user agreement used to say that everything you upload belonged to them (still does, actually), but they changed it, so that the terms in which they use your material is no longer for THEIR gain, only to give them the rights to play it on their site. They used to be able to redistribute it at will for anything (even sell it). I cancelled when I read that change.. then 2 months later they changed the TOS policy.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 09:05 [#02016420]
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They probably changed the TOS because it's like me saying "I've downloaded one of your mp3s, it's now mine", it's untenable. How many signed artists are on that site? Or if I, Dave Spratt, uploaded 4 tracks by BOC on there, would MySpace have instantly "owned" them? Of course not, absolute piss.
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-12 10:09 [#02016442]
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why sell on myspace when you can sell it directly to ppl on iTunes?
HELLO TUNCORE! I've got a release for you
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-12-12 10:12 [#02016445]
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Fuck Tom.
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-12 10:22 [#02016447]
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But Tom is everyones friend..... and in alot of peopls top 8.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-12-12 10:35 [#02016450]
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alot of people haven't found the 'change top 8' button yet.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 10:40 [#02016453]
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Why sell it on iTunes tunecore when you can sell it yourself
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edgey
from New York (United States) on 2006-12-12 11:11 [#02016477]
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I sell all my stuff on myspace.
edgey
stephen james knight
It's actually been a nice way to get back in touch with people from back when mp3.com was going strong.
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-12-12 11:17 [#02016482]
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I hope your net label is getting a cut of the profits young man.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 13:26 [#02016551]
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Seeing as I didn't get a cut of the profits I can't say I give a shit.
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-12-12 13:28 [#02016553]
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Oof...That's fucking harsh. Was it just you or does everyone on the label get a 0% cut?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 13:33 [#02016559]
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I accidently got cc'd in on an email that would suggest I wasn't the only chump.
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-12-12 13:38 [#02016560]
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It's fucking terrible. I would fire bomb them or something. How did you get in touch with them in the first place?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 13:45 [#02016563]
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Friend of a friend. Probably the worst way to go about things. I'm not bothered myself it's just, I know people who did buy it and, to be fair, they were supporting me and not.. some pretend lable that wasn't even interested in investing that money back into.. the label, so... I don't know, that's the music biz, I guess, even at the most humdrum, trivial, poxy level.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-12 13:51 [#02016565]
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I rarely pay for the output of professional musicians, I'm not going to start paying for the output of amateurs.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-12-12 14:58 [#02016584]
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weird guy
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 15:01 [#02016587]
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This sure made me laugh
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-12-12 16:35 [#02016651]
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i'm friends with one of those gay toms, but the one which is pushed by a black man.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-12 16:42 [#02016652]
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Is that "Echo and the Bunnymen" in your avatar? Or not.. my mind's.. going. Gone.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-12-12 16:52 [#02016657]
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Daisy, Daisy give me your answer do I'm half crazy all for the love of you it won't be a stylish marriage I can't afford a carriage but you look sweet upon a seat of a bicycle built for two
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yann_g
from now on 2006-12-12 20:49 [#02016693]
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wrong.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-12-12 20:49 [#02016694]
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lol
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Cnut
from the future on 2006-12-12 21:42 [#02016698]
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who's tom?
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esaruoho
from helsinki (Finland) on 2006-12-12 23:26 [#02016717]
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well ive been on myspace but have no idea what that sno-wotever is. i've been asked to play 2 gigs (one has already happened, the other will happen end of january) and hopefully will get toplay a3rd. no idea if the donate button on my page hs gotten my donations, no clue at all. itsbeen weird, but also decent. theres some really creative people on myspace, like thomas jerome newton for instance, whose timelapse stuff simply owns. and so on.
the obligatory myspace url the obligatory website url
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-13 08:14 [#02016804]
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ding ding.
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-12-13 12:01 [#02016868]
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does that make you think highly of yourself
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-13 17:56 [#02016975]
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Myspace is going after the long tail
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-13 18:40 [#02016986]
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Why Would It?
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-13 18:59 [#02016991]
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Readers of "Air Biscuits" also bought "Touching the Cloth"
That is interesting though, the mix of Hits and the Long Tail, there is hope out of stagnant pop music and a billion crappy tracks on the net, but the shittest part is how we consume music generally now, but when the dust settles and those sort of services become more widespread artists and audiences will find each other regardless of economics and tossing off media slags.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-13 19:22 [#02016995]
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And then, having read that, I slashed the price of my "album" to $1. One Dollar! That's what.. a tip to the guy who looks after the lavvy, which is admittedly more useful.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-13 19:23 [#02016996]
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As you say, when the dust settles I'm sure there'll be some beautiful connections. It's deffinitley not there at the moment and I do miss allready the shared "event" of an album release.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-13 19:25 [#02016999]
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I was going to say that about shared experiece, it's like "the old days" and just three TV channels, you went to school knowing everyone had seen The Sweeney. But, I suppose, what with online.. communities.. and maybe The Kids being more suited to "that sort of thing", the shared experience will come in places like, hey, XLT v2.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-13 19:29 [#02017000]
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You're right again! It's XLT v2 where the REAL future lies. It's going to be here soon too! Woo HoooooOO!
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-12-13 19:34 [#02017003]
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Phobia's just waiting for the rest of the world to catch up, it's not when xlt v2 is ready, it's when are we ready for xlt v2.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-13 19:44 [#02017008]
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Swedish my arse! He/It is on to the "Gen nexters" in some global manner that trancends locale.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-12-14 02:32 [#02017122]
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I was under the impression that the "done thing" with music on myspace was to upload unreleased/alternate versions of tracks or new material, thereby giving your audience occasional tantalising glimpses of it, but preventing them from ever listening to it with any sort of regularity thanks to myspace's "Shittiest ever music player (TM)".
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