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I won't ever join an armed force, because really, it is a bunch of assholes. I DO however, want to join the Peace Corps. or the Job Corps. |
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what's there to live for? who needs the peace corps? think i'll just drop out i'll go to frisco, buy a wig and sleep on owsley's floor walk past the wig store danced at the fillmore i'm completely stoned i'm hippy and i'm trippy, i'm a gypsy on my own |
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this reminds me of the father of a friend of mine. when he was a kid he used to hang squirrels by the ears on the wall and shoot them with an airgun |
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wankers. |
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scary to think this is just one incident, where a camera was present AND they managed to get it back AND someone uploaded it on youtube. |
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Honestly, It doesn't really matter if Americans did it.. If It was primarily a British force or any other country shit like this would probably happen. Esp if the circumstances were the same, like with any 18 year old who signs up getting there 6 month training (or however long it is here) and then being deployed right into the heat of it... |
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no, you're right, it doesn't matter what nationality they are, they're still assholes for doing it and something needs to be done about soldiers acting this way. since these happened to be american along with many of the others that have done stuff like this, it's some american leaders responsibility to do something about it. |
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/j #care |
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I wouldn't trust those kids. Its not good guy, bad guy there and in that environment I could see getting really jaded. |
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The soldiers didn't sound very jaded. |
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How's that? |
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How's that? Because they sounded quite alert and fresh and happy with themselves. |
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how the fuck is this about trusting the kids?! Even if you don't trust the kids, do you have to taunt them and make them run for miles for a bottle of water? And in the same way, it doesn't matter if the kids aren't angels, the soldiers are way out of line. |
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That means that they are no longer able to sympathize with the Iraqis, which sounds like jaded to me. If they can do this sort of stuff without any sort of regret or emotion, I would call them jaded. |
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Jaded suggests they started at Point A and faded to Point B... there's no evidence of that in the YouTube video - didn't hear any of them mention how they used to sympathise with the Iraqi children but now saw them as funny little playthings, not really worth expending emotional energy on. You're just assuming they're jaded because it makes it easier to watch, I guess. |
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They never say that they recall being at Point A, but they are clearly at Point B. I never said that they were at Point A, though, and they never need to have been at Point A to be jaded. |
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I actually wrote a bit about soldiers and how they try to hide from themselves that they're dealing with people in my papers this semester. You know how they're always killing some kind of "caricature" (meant in a more or less metaphorical sense: cartoon characters don't die when you shoot them) like "Ali" or "Charlie" or "Krauts?" All wars seem to have had this sort of "nicknaming" of enemies, and I think it's because the emotional stress a soldier would experience if he actively thought about every person he killed would be.. well, really really heavy. However, I also think that they are indeed aware that they're killing people; if you ask them, they'll say so, but when they're out there, they're out there shooting "Ali." Not Mehmet, father of two. Not Abdulla, son and baker. And even though the most efficient and reliable way of making such a caricature spread is to "let the men invent it themselves," I believe it's also a sort of leadership tactic in that the leaders will adopt these names and use them to classify enemies, and in some cases they're even the inventors of the names. I guess in the same way, it'd be easier for people watching this to believe that the soldiers have really successfully deceived themselves about the humanity of the people around them so that they can feel that the soldiers "just have to act out" or something and when they want to, they don't do it against what they see as people, but rather against those that they believe they aren't able to do any wrong to. ..or something. I'm going to get some sleep. |
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its depressing. |
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Yeah it's easier to kill someone you've humiliated/dehumanised etc. Rostasky, they aren't clearly at Point B, since that is exactly where they may have started - point is, neither of us can determine how 'jaded' they are - we only have the evidence of that video, and however you try to psychobabblise the soldiers, they cut pretty pathetic and cruel figures. |
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and they never need to have been at Point A to be jaded. They do. trust me, don't try to bullshit semantics. The US occupation has been punctuated with abuses of power such as this one since the very beginning. Abu Ghraib happened a long time ago. Like bogala said, this is what you get when you throw armed, barely-trained kids into such a situation. I'm not saying it excuses it, it doesn't, but it explains why it happens, and people need to be held responsible. |
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Jaded does not require degrading from one "point" to the other, it is a state that one exists in and has nothing to do with the state you were in before being "jaded". I guess we are talking about jaded vs. your original personality or jaded vs. societal norms. |
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jaded or not theyre pathetic and embarrassing. |
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Jaded does not require degrading from one "point" to the other, it is a state that one exists in and has nothing to do with the state you were in before being "jaded". That is absolute nonsense. You've even used the word "degrade" completely incorrectly. If you want to prove your point, find me one example of something of which you're jaded but have never experience. |
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*experienced |
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I'll let redrum take it from here, since I'm tired and wish to retire with my thoughts (I use my left hand). |
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A) I didn't use degrade wrong. Even if I did use it a little awkwardly, this is irrelevant. B)You obviously have to experience something in order to determine whether or not you are jaded towards it. However, you don't ever have to approach the subject without callous beforehand in order to be jaded. I know a guy who is completely unmoved by music. I would call him jaded in that sense, even though he has never been moved by music. My brother never listens to anything the media says. He is jaded. It is irrelevant as to whether or not he has previously put faith in the media when determining if he is jaded. Mmm... I'm not sure if I have made myself clear. But I have to leave (I have a gig in a 1/2 hour). I'll reply later this evening : ) |
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You obviously use the word 'Jaded' without understanding the weight and meaning. |
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a) yes you did. b) it's not about determining whether or not you're jaded by something that requires experience. being jaded by something requires experience. jaded is synonymous with "tired" or "bored". your first example, the guy and music, is not an appropriate usage of "jaded". he is unmoved by music, he lacks appreciation for music, but he's not jaded by it. Saying "he's not moved by it" is describing him as a person, as a person who is never, and has never been moved by music. Had he once appreciated music, and then grew to dislike it through overexposure, he would then be fit to be classed as being "jaded by music". In your second example, whether or not your brother previously put faith in the word of the media is and isn't essential: Scenario 1: He previously put his faith in the media. The media betrayed his trust countless times by reporting things he doesn't accept as fact. He is now jaded by their unreliability and untrustworthiness. It can be said that he is jaded by the media, but such a statement would be very well followed up with the question, "What has jaded him?", to which the answer is quite obvious. Scenario 2: He is jaded by the constant bombardment of the media. This is an unlikely scenario, since you say he never listens to anything they say, which implies distrust. Re-read scenario 1. I can't believe it's taken this much to explain the meaning of a word to you, but considering what you've come out with in your previous posts, i guess it's to be expected. |
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why didn't I just post that? :( |
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I almost wrote a massive reply but it seemed futile. Bloody americans 'educating' us (you included) what words mean. |
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If you don't want to be included I respect that one thousand percant. |
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oh you know me, i'll jump on any bandwagon that has "bloody americans!" scrawled across it |
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how are junior and junior doing? |
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great! I knew it was this video before clicking on it. 'Jaded', 'inexperienced', 'young', 'foolish', 'having a laugh' etc. It's not on. It's all bollocks and there's no excuses. Taunting kids with water and wishing they could scare children by showing arms is ridiculous. Throwing stones/snowballs at stuff is a bit of fun. |
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I attempted to divert you to more pleasing meadows but alas my attempt was futile. |
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don't stereotype everyone over there, please |
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Is that a message to the troops? Good on you, and people think you compete in rallies in the General Lee! |
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I don't think anyone is. It's a comment on that real lifr thing. |
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that was meant to say 'life' |
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it's because any enlistee who isn't absolutely brainless joins the coast guard or the navy, only nowadays they even send the navy over there! almost totally landlocked! makes no sense! really, all of these people are pricks from the bottom up, especially the officers, who would ever want to be career military, you can only have sex in missionary position. |
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Everything everywhere will soon be saturated with corruption and too complicated to understand and nobody will have the power to change most things for the better. Survival of the fittest and the fittest are cheats and fuckfaces. |
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I agree, mostly, about the common archetype of the soldier, but there are always exceptions. (Mimi, what are your favorite positions?) Anyway, I think a war zone like the one in Iraq would drive me insane. The thought that I could be sniped, shot, blown up at any moment would make me act in ways I have never seen from myself in this reality and I'm a calm reasonable heck of a nice guy. I'd most likely be in Canada, though. Basically, War is hell for everybody and nothing suprises me when it comes to how people act when placed under such a pressure cooker.. |
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I'm sure those soldiers, back home, are loving and caring and are often found in soup-kitchens feeding the homeless, or in local taverns discussing philosophical issues in reasonable tones while gently smoking pipe-tobacco, perhaps allowing the occasional dream of a better and more peaceful, understanding world to seep into their consciousness. And in their spare time they attend marches calling attention to inequalities within society and the prejudice suffered by some of their fellow countrymen because of their colour, race or faggotry, writing well-meaning letters to politicians voicing their concern that the environment is being destroyed and that the next generation will have to have gas-masks surgically attached at birth if we don't slow down the destruction of our planet. Yep, I'm sure back home, these Army Men are wonderful human beings and its the inhumanity of war which drove them to taunting children. |
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you're going to get a "stop putting words in my mouth" reply now, just watch |
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Stop making up definitions plz. jaded = calloused. Now, try again. |
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Jaded has multiple meanings; attaching one single meaning to it in some meagre attempt to make yourself appear correct won't fool many people, especially since the one-word definition you give is wrong. Anyway, since you seem to suffer an inability to recognise that Jaded requires a prior state to exist, it's pointless trying to reason with you. Merry Nukemas |
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I'll take your point, actually, on second look. I've been arguing something else, I think. |
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Whatever. |
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