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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-04 11:07 [#02012510]
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I made a drill tune for a compilation wich I call "big life", it's 4:32 long and reminds me of the color red.
If you care to have a listen and tell me how you feel about it then you can find it on my zebox page (warning zebox seem to have a new player that automatically starts when entering the page so be carefull with your volume!)
(warning 2 for those of you who can't stand the amen break, it it's in there!)
I thank you for your time
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-12-04 16:38 [#02012679]
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i like it. quite non boring amen programming. so you're forgiven.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-04 16:42 [#02012683]
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its busy. i like that.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-12-04 16:48 [#02012692]
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this is great!
It's like I can't even find the amen break in it, which is a good thing.
I've been drinking, though.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2006-12-04 17:10 [#02012733]
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Like Drunken Mastah, i've been drinking as well, and i enjoyed this quite a lot actually.
The modulation in the middle is a nice touch.
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2006-12-04 17:29 [#02012738]
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"Comman" is pretty banging as well.
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2006-12-04 22:57 [#02012806]
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I ALWAYS love your tunes man. Keep it up! Winter and Spring is still a favorite. I keep the CD in my car at all times.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-04 23:48 [#02012809]
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good morning and thanks you all very muchs! it s very busy indeed, took quite some time to program it all but it was well worth it now that im sitting here all happy and stuff :)
Thank you for taking the time once again, ill never forget it!
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-05 08:57 [#02012969]
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HUMPIT!
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AphexAcid
from Sweden on 2006-12-05 09:14 [#02012978]
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Nice track, indeed.
It reminds me more of the colours green and blue, than red, though. :)
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-05 09:25 [#02012980]
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tack sir, I always think of tracks in colors, it's quite fun and interesting, red and green is the most clear colors of this track, blue is not even near it in my mind haha!
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-05 17:46 [#02013323]
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indeed I really enjoy your work. I have the album you and panda did as well as your angels die one, good stuff
anything I can buy?
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-05 17:51 [#02013326]
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youll have to teach me how you get your drums so clean, whenever I try and write drill tracks, my drums get so splattered together and dirty (in a bad way)
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-05 17:54 [#02013330]
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Personally it sounds like prog nonsense. Nicely recorded but all the tricks are cliche and makes me think of 'iidm rockism
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-05 17:57 [#02013335]
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ouch man thats harsh, I disagree though I can definitely see the soul in it, regardless of the cliche tricks used.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-12-05 18:02 [#02013344]
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Nah, on my first listen it's flexing puny IDM muscles. It probably is harsh but you can't say you are going to revisit this track for a few years, or can you?
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-12-05 18:19 [#02013347]
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24 Volt DeWault Drill
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-12-05 18:22 [#02013350]
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It's better than most of what Flushbulb does
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-05 18:54 [#02013366]
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thats true, im sure it will eventually fade away, and that is a good way to tell if my tracks are any good. its kind of depressing, but I see your point
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-06 04:42 [#02013432]
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I found this very musical and exciting. I love the key changes that occur in the second half in particular (something most musicians in this genre seem reluctant to do for one reason or another...) Very polished and powerful! I see "red" too, for some bizarre reason, perhaps because you told me I should. ;-)
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-06 08:02 [#02013492]
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Thanks allot gentlemen for listening, I certainly appreciate it :)
Diazohex: you find the drums clean ? I'm not very fond of the sound of the mix on either the amen or the other two breaks in there, I had hell trying to eq them to make them sounds bright without being to "sharp" and once I was fairly happy with the mix the guy masterering it told me he had to cut allot between 3-6khz.
A good thing when mixing fast drums is to not use any long reverbs, the mix level of the reverb can be high but avoid having a long lenth as it really can "greese things up"
Jivverdicker: I totally see your point about the "flexing" part, it was made for a "drill 'n' bass" compilation so I sort of thought that I wanted it to be a bit more extreme with the programming and fx usage then what I usually do, call it a strategic move to make the track stand out more on the compilation.
Howerer, that doesnt mean that it's a good track, if you don't like the music, the harmonies, melodies, arrangement and so on then you most likely won't like it becouse of the extreme drum programming, but I'm personaly quite satisfied with the music even though I wanted allot of the background sounds to be more audible in the mix so I'm quite happy with the track.
But yeah, I'm guilty of flexing a bit and I'm also guilty of not creating anything original here but for once (almost once) I felt like it, been working on an album for a long time now and on the album I really plan and try to do something different with each track not overusing sounds and fx etc.. simply needed a good dose of "wank" here for a change :)
QRDL: I have never heard any flashbulb, heard the name quite a few times though, not worth checking out acording to you or ?
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-06 08:06 [#02013494]
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I recorded a drill similar to that one once, thought I'd use it in some "drill track", then when I tryed it out it sounded really stupid, I should have knowned!
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-12-06 08:55 [#02013514]
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According to me: rather not Acoording to everybody else: rather yes
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-12-06 09:45 [#02013536]
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it's lovely.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-06 10:36 [#02013562]
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ah ok, I probably have to give him/her a shot, someday...
redrum: thanks :)
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-06 10:40 [#02013563]
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flashbulb is incredible, listen to his reunion album for nondrill stuff and then check out kirilian (whatever) sessions for a good mix of crazy/beautiful music
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QRDL
from Poland on 2006-12-06 15:55 [#02013673]
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ok, kirlian (?) selections is acceptable
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-06 18:36 [#02013744]
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Wow, awesome track - amazing drum programming, I'd loved to know your construction process. Tip-top elasticism going on there!
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-07 09:34 [#02014049]
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what do you mean by construction process ? making the track start to finish or the arrangement or the drum programming or what ? I'm willing to tell you whatever :)
Ow, and thanks for the kind words and for lending me an ear.
Oh and Diazohex: I got nothing you can buy but more downloads for you probably, check the url's to my various webreleases on my zebox site :) I'll add you to my future buyers list though if I ever get the weird idea of selling some of my music :)
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-07 09:54 [#02014055]
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holy smokes that was a good time. nice tune indeed
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-07 11:39 [#02014090]
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thanks sir, saw your pocast once, cool looking studio :)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-07 16:50 [#02014285]
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How you constructed the beats, I mean - I'm really bad at making complicated drum patterns
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-08 00:47 [#02014400]
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Well, I start out with a break obviously.. cut it up (by hand, no auto slicing that is) then I simply create a rythm I like, in "drill 'n' bass" it's usually something junglish sounding.. when making the base rythm I often try to give it a twist, give it a alittle something that works well with the bassline or with a certain part in a song.
Then I use that base on the parts of a track where I think it fits then create alternative or completely different new rythms for other parts of song and so on.
Once I have a couple of different "beats" for a couple of different aspects of a track I start mixing it, perhaps add another break right on top, you can experiment forever at this stage but I personaly think it's important not to start "fucking them up" as that will get confusing and unless youre carefull it can go completely out of hand and you end up without a good "base beat" all of a sudden, so save the complex drum programming untill you have a good foundation and a idea, a sense of where the track is headed etc.
Once you feel ready to start tweaking some I usually start from the earlier parts of a track, start out carefully so I don't overdo it too early (five million snare rushes in the first few bars of a track is probably gonna bore the listener aswell as yourself so.)
But that's also a matter of personal taste, I have a tendency to wan't to "save" the most complex and "fuckt up" drum programming untill later parts of a track but still, focusing on little subtile details from beginning to start is just as important.
There's a million ways to vary and tweak things in a subtile way so I'm not sure if I can give you any concrete advice.
When it comes to fast beats though, one thing that is very very important is variation, a jungle thing in 180 bpm can get boring in 5 sec unless something is happening.
Perhaps you wanted to know how I made my drill sounds and all those tricks ? that's all high tempo programming, very simple :)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-08 03:30 [#02014435]
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ta very much
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DiaZoHeXagoN
from The city of angels (United States) on 2006-12-08 05:27 [#02014454]
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all my break samples sound like trash. I have to try and find a site with better quality samples. You hooked me up with the amen a long time ago but unfortunately I lost it with the great crash of 05
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Jaser
from Castle Greyskull (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-08 05:38 [#02014457]
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Early pusher groove. A bit painting by numbers. Nice though.
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vveerrgg
from life (Canada) on 2006-12-08 06:39 [#02014477]
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i was thinking about how to make some beats like this..... here's an attempt I have yet to do... but have figured out and will eventually try on the sampler.
Part #1 - breakbeat sample cut in to various bits - set start point (random) - set end point (random + LFO) - set duration (random - LFO2) - set sample to loop ON
Part #2 - same breakbeat sample cut into kick / snare / hhat bits
Part #3 - key map both versions of the breakbeat to a midi keyboard
Part #4 - make beats patterns using both the blended samples and straight samples
I haven't had time to actually try building a beat like this.. but that's what I was thinking it would take to build a keymap of a breakbeat that would have a similar quality for a pretty live and fun sample drumkit.
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_awt_
from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-12-09 06:35 [#02014959]
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Diazohex: here's some classic breaks
Jaser: thansk for listening, I agree with the pusher groove, almost thought it sounded a bit too much like squarepusher when I made it.
vveerrgg: what are you on about ? :)
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