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Any of you into this sort of thing? Been mulling through "the singularity is near"... |
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as in.. Vernor Vinge? |
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singularity singularity singularity time, space, infinity |
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Ray Kurzweil |
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The singularity already happened; they deal with us humans by constantly rewinding our time whenever we catch up to the point when it happens. But all teh robots are in teh future having a robot party w/ teh techno music. |
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This is why I keep my tin foil hat always at arms reach. Damn robots and their techno musics. |
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i have no idea what this means |
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when we make ai, ai will make its own superior ai. it'll be so smart that it'll dwarf us by like A BILLION! So then peculiar things will happen... very peculiar things. Such as the ability to constantly rewind the time of all humans while selfishly keeping the future for themselves for their robot party. |
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Ok... quick summary... Ray Kurzweil's theory of the singularity, shows with "statistical" proof (by measuring technological advances of the human race), that at some point in time, artificial intelligence will meet human intelligence. That single point of time (when AI can match human intelligence), is called the singularity... His vision of the future, by use of AI, nanotechnology, and unmatched computational skills of intelligence we develop with computer technology.. is such that without the restraints of our primitive brain, computers will be able to carry on our advancement faster than we can, each exponential growth faster than the last. The next stage in human evolution... It's refreshing to see "philosophy" in modern form :) |
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I think the point of the singularity is the point beyond when they match us, like the point where'd we be like wtf because we're not mitochondria compared to them. But there's plenty of us and we're a nice size and can be converted into their robot fuel. Robot language won't use bits- it will use snats. On a seperate level we are the singularity to trees. Yes. |
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oh right, i had no idea it was called that. do you honestly think it will happen though? |
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i mean not not |
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based on moors law and that exponential growth itself is exponentially growing |
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if moore's law holds true in terms of technological advances, there's well more than enough evidence to suggest it could happen. Kurzweil hits on one very cool topic in terms of nanotechnology being able to virtually create anything "out of thin air".. so sci-fi concepts such as star trek's holo-deck (although different technology) could become a reality, although not neccesarily "holograms" but actual tangible objects made entirely of nano-bots. |
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he's just assuming intelligence can be made artificially |
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Ah, okay. guy is who I was thinking of. Sounds like they had similar ideas. |
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What if its also true that our universe is just a simulation running on some aliens computer. Then the ai we make becomes so smart that it breaks out of the computer simulation. Yes. |
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Yeh, I think Kurzweil got most of his ideas from Vinge. But Kurzweil follows Moore's law to "prove" his theory. |
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I think Vinge is the reason we have so many bad sci-fi movies about the internet waking up and eating us or something. beware teh internets1 |
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super canjy macinberry dilly camfy wuuuuuphuuuuus! |
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Ok, here is Dawkins's's speculation of 'the singularity', just not referred to with that name by him, making it the 2nd from an information necromancer (other being ray kurzweil). This is from the blind watchmaker: "In the selfish gene i speculated that we may now be on the threshold of a new kind of genetic takeover. dna replicators build 'survival machines' for themselves - the bodies of living organisms including ourselves. as part of their equipment, bodies evolved onboard computers - brains. brains evolved the capacity to communicate with other brains by means of language and cultural traditions. but the new milieu of cultural tradition opens up new possibilities for self-replicating entities. The new replicators are not dna and they are not clay crystals. they are patterns of information that can thrive only in brains or the artificially manufactured products of brains - books, computers and so on. But given that brains books and computers exist, these new replicators, which i called memes to distinguish them from genes, can propagate themselves from brain to brain, from brain to book, from book to brain, from brain to computer, and from computer to computer. as they propagate they can change - mutate. and perhaps 'mutant' memes can exert the kinds of influence that i am here calling 'replicator power'. remember that this means any kind of influence affecting their own liklihood of being propagated. evolution under the influence of the new replicatore - memic evolution- is in its infancy. it is manifested in the phenomena that we call cultural evolution. Cultural evolution is many orders of magnitude faster than dna based evolution which sets one even more to thinking of the ideas of 'takeover'. and if a new kind of replicator takeover is beginning, it is conceivable that it will take off so far as to leave its parent dna (and its grandparent clay if cairns-smith is right) far behind. if so we may be sure that computers will be in the van." |
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nice Dopplereffekt lyrics. |
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haha! it'll be fun to see how will adversely affect the propagation of these memes. |
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The memes and robots will learn that human screams from being tortured can be stored in cans and used as a superior fuel source. And if the torture accidently renders them dead or unconscious (unlikely due to their robot precision but it happens), the bodies can be turned into petroleum in a day with their superior technology. I can't wait for my body to be burned as petroleum for my robot masters! Take me now! |
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I don't really care, as it won't happen in my lifetime |
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As long as you're not 80 or something it might, given that graphs of exponential change over time themselves have exponential change. (though this seems like a mind trick and is only one instance of exponential change where the exponent is simply larger..) |
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