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Skinny
from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2006-11-10 06:51 [#02000035]
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An open letter to music journalists regarding file sharing
Berlin, October 13, 2006
Our new release "Layering Buddha" has been put on soulseek already,
encoded by two different users (protox2 aka Maurizio and tipsch), more than three weeks prior to release date.
Less than one hundred music journalists got a copy of the finished product at this time. We are a very small label. We do promotion with nice and expensive finished products. We send out promo copies to everyone who asks for it.
We are embarrassed, frustrated and annoyed by the fact that two of you worked so massively against us. We at imbalance do not think DRM is the way to go and we believe in our customers as being honest and supportive. But:
This case changes the way we will do promotion in the future.
We will either give away CDRs with tagged versions for each individual journalist and we will only do so if we have a guaranteed review, or we will send out CDRs with excerpts. In the case of the tagged CDs we will be able to trace it back if the music appears online and we guarantee we will take every possible legal action against this person. This is sad for those of you who did a great job of supporting us for the last ten years, but we do not want this experience again.
Robert Henke monolake / imbalance computer music
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 06:54 [#02000039]
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He is pissed of. I can understand that
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 06:54 [#02000041]
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I support music piracy
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 06:59 [#02000043]
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I got only one monolake album on my pod. I bought it on cd after dl it. That makes me a better person than you
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 07:00 [#02000045]
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I have 300-400 albums there which I didn't buy but those artist didn't write open letter to music journalists
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 07:01 [#02000046]
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I dont have any music by monolake what-so-ever. That makes me a better person than you.
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 07:01 [#02000048]
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Haha :p
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Matvey
from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-11-10 07:06 [#02000055]
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poor guy.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 07:22 [#02000068]
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It's a good album though.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 09:38 [#02000126]
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isn't this just a case of "welcome to the real world", though?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2006-11-10 09:47 [#02000132]
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I guess they assumed it to be an unspoken understanding that no one who recieves a promo can ever upload it to their computer. lol.
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RussellDust
on 2006-11-10 10:01 [#02000138]
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electronic music will be free soon, and the music will get more and more shit because 'artists' wll be tired trying to make a living waiting tables AND then doing music for a load of retards who think it's all due to them for free. just coz half of xlt makes music (pretty shit music) and bungs it around for free, desperately wanting a nice comment and some love whilst basically copying the music that's already out there, doesn't mean we all wish to have a billion mp3s of shite. i like to pay for an album, i really musst have lost the plot.
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-10 10:22 [#02000145]
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A question: Why do there have to be press releases before the actual release date?
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 10:27 [#02000146]
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Best post ever! :)
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-11-10 10:40 [#02000150]
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this post has been made 10028458487884 times by dog_belch
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 10:41 [#02000151]
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And it's truer than ever.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 10:47 [#02000153]
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OPEN LETTER TO MONOLAKE
I'd never fucking heard of you before you started crying about this. Consider it free advertising. Not that I'll by your rubbish, whatever it is.
Love
dog_belch/ DJ Cloudy P
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 10:51 [#02000158]
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Monolake is actually pretty good. You should download some and check it out.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 10:56 [#02000161]
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How's tagged CDs going to work, you just.. retag them, if you were HELLBENT on spreading MONOLAKE for free. How about sending out mono Monolake promos???? Marketing,.. ideas,... call me!
I just assume they sound like .. I don't know, .. are they as good as Pomme de Terre, who I am actually listening to and did pay for.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-10 11:08 [#02000172]
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Monolake is decent, but how naive can Henke be if he didn't think that his promo could/would be ripped by someone? We can argue the case for and against filesharing forever, but the fact remains that all music is gonna end up on the internet eventually. I know that advance rips can be a bit shitty for the artist(s) involved, but it really doesn't matter if the MP3 arrives two weeks before or two weeks after retail - people are either gonna buy it or they aren't. And a lot of people make that decision only AFTER listening to the MP3 release.
Relax Henke... stick on your Buddha album (which is neat by the way) and contemplate this: you're not the first this has happened to, and I guarentee you won't be the last. Enjoy the free publicity!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-11-10 11:10 [#02000175]
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The capitalisation in that post makes me think "MONOHELL/BENTLAKE" would be a good track title.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-11-10 11:11 [#02000177]
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As an aside, wouldn't it be funny as fuck to stitch up a rival music magazine by ULing your promo copy with tags that made it look like a member of staff on another magazine did it? The artist concerned may even give you an exclusive interview to spite the other mag.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-10 11:11 [#02000178]
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He probably means "watermarking" the recordings. This can be as elaborate as you want it to be, and usually means editing the sound of each disc seperately. Good for tracking, but lets face it.... it takes absolutely ages, and small labels simply don't have the cash to file lawsuits.
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 11:14 [#02000180]
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The irony of course is that I am now downloading this album.
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impakt
from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 11:18 [#02000183]
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I would like to add that even if I support piracy I still buy good music.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-10 11:21 [#02000186]
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I never really know where I stand on music piracy, I buy 20 odd new cds a year, so I think I'm not too awful
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 11:21 [#02000187]
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Hang on, this isn't on soulseek at all, what a fucking desperate attempt to drum up sympathy and advertising. I tell you what MONOLAKE, fuck you, in both channels.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2006-11-10 11:26 [#02000190]
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"I tell you what MONOLAKE, fuck you, in both channels."
that is, without a doubt, the "fuck you" quote of the decade.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 12:09 [#02000212]
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It'd be relatively easy to automate the tagging with shell scripts on Linux. Just insert something almost inaudible but characteristic somewhere different on each copy, and not so high pitched that mp3 encoding would get rid of it. Anyways that's the first thing my fevered paranoid mind could think of.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 12:52 [#02000242]
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get to work on it, mr. Peeps!
do not leave some small obscure label waiting!
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-11-10 12:53 [#02000245]
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I really dig the mono-stereo joke.
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blobula
from BElgraDe on 2006-11-10 20:06 [#02000453]
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pathetic:
every monolake release was on aouslseek weeks before release...BUT after the year+ hype over the buddha machine thing (15.000 sold) he said something...because maybe he wanted to jump on the buddha wagon hype and sell more (than) ever...
it is ok release, but no so radical as buddha remixes on staubgold...it's sometimes just multilayered to be playable as normal music, without the box (which was the point)...
so dear robert henke, think again.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-11-10 20:43 [#02000475]
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its a good thing this release is mediocre at completely boring. Otherwise, he'd really be upset
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-11-11 00:18 [#02000498]
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i thought monolake was all girls
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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-11-11 00:43 [#02000500]
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piracy increases sales, it's a fact.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-11 06:09 [#02000542]
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and cock size.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-11-11 06:18 [#02000546]
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So even if this didn't happen, someone would BUY the CD then RIP it and UPLOAD it anyway. So why is he annoyed? OMGOMG you uploaded it a few weeks before we expected it to happen!
If music is worth buying then most people will pay for it, if not they will go to hell or something maybe (?)
I kind of have sympathy for him, but I think he is being a tad too naive. If he doesn't want it on there, perhaps put a big note saying "Please do not upload this music, it will make us bankrupt" or something along those lines.
I think he shouldn't release ANY music at all. That way it will never get on slsk and he can sit there smug in the knowledge that no one else will be able to enjoy it.
lol-tastic quotes: "two of you worked so massively against us" - erm no. perspective required here urgently
"We do promotion with nice and expensive finished products"
- so the finsihed product is EXPENSIVE, hmmm maybe that's why you're worried it's on slsk. Why not make it fairly priced?
"if the music appears online and we guarantee we will take every possible legal action against this person" - I think it is generally a bad idea to threaten the people reviewing a new album. Do you really think you will get a favourable review?
--review- "despite the pending court action, I still think you should go out and buy this 'expensive finished product'. It really is good. ".... I think not.
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Monoid
from one source all things depend on 2006-11-11 07:10 [#02000559]
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Me too!! LOL! But I wont ever listen to it, ILL JUST SHARE IT
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-11 07:28 [#02000565]
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This thing overlooks the possibility that it wasn't a reviewer who uploaded them at all, but perhaps what they did, being tired of receiving 1,000,000,000 identical sounding "experimental" CDs on a daily basis, handed over a fucking boxfull of the things unlistened to, to friends or, as likely, people they didn't particularly like.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-11 09:34 [#02000608]
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that's a possibility, it could also have been a copy of a review cd given to a friend (or hated enemy), but even then the responsibility for the leak would lie with the reviewer who received the disk.
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-11 10:32 [#02000648]
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so journalists write their review for the same week the cd comes out
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-11 11:22 [#02000684]
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I don't see the advantage.. if it's good it's good if it's not it's not. I don't need a journalist to tell me that. And even if I did, I still had to wait till it's released.. so what's the point of it all?
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-11 11:25 [#02000691]
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i don't see how you don't like reviews is relevant they have publish the review in the week the cd comes out so people buy the cd
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-11 11:30 [#02000696]
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Does it really matter if this review is written in the same week as the release?
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big
from lsg on 2006-11-11 11:36 [#02000698]
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well not for me but they do want to be propelled into the top40
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-11-11 11:47 [#02000707]
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obviously you have never heard what the beat
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-11 14:44 [#02000836]
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which would be a bit of a miracle, really.
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-13 01:45 [#02001314]
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On the Ableton forum, Henke says he just wants respect, or something. It seems to me he wrote the open letter at the peak of his anger, which is never a good idea... It's all a bit embarrassing, really.
The album is good though.
Blobula: please point me to those remixes on Staubgold!
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rzezniq
from gorzow (Poland) on 2006-11-13 04:04 [#02001345]
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So even they use soulseek:).
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swift_jams
from big sky on 2006-11-13 07:43 [#02001423]
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Hey, are his albums good? If they are, I'll download some from soulseek.
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