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MONOLAKE (an open letter to music journalists)
 

offline Skinny from Frankfurt (Germany) on 2006-11-10 06:51 [#02000035]
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An open letter to music journalists regarding file sharing


Berlin, October 13, 2006

Our new release "Layering Buddha" has been put on soulseek
already,
encoded by two different users (protox2 aka Maurizio and
tipsch), more than three weeks prior to release date.
Less than one hundred music journalists got a copy of the
finished product at this time. We are a very small label. We
do promotion with nice and expensive finished products. We
send out promo copies to everyone who asks for it.
We are embarrassed, frustrated and annoyed by the fact that
two of you worked so massively against us. We at imbalance
do not think DRM is the way to go and we believe in our
customers as being honest and supportive. But:

This case changes the way we will do promotion in the
future.

We will either give away CDRs with tagged versions for each
individual journalist and we will only do so if we have a
guaranteed review, or we will send out CDRs with excerpts.
In the case of the tagged CDs we will be able to trace it
back if the music appears online and we guarantee we will
take every possible legal action against this person. This
is sad for those of you who did a great job of supporting us
for the last ten years, but we do not want this experience
again.

Robert Henke
monolake / imbalance computer music



 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 06:54 [#02000039]
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He is pissed of. I can understand that


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 06:54 [#02000041]
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I support music piracy


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 06:59 [#02000043]
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I got only one monolake album on my pod. I bought it on cd
after dl it. That makes me a better person than you


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 07:00 [#02000045]
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I have 300-400 albums there which I didn't buy but those
artist didn't write open letter to music journalists


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 07:01 [#02000046]
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I dont have any music by monolake what-so-ever. That makes
me a better person than you.


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 07:01 [#02000048]
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Haha :p


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-11-10 07:06 [#02000055]
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poor guy.


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 07:22 [#02000068]
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It's a good album though.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 09:38 [#02000126]
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isn't this just a case of "welcome to the real world",
though?


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2006-11-10 09:47 [#02000132]
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I guess they assumed it to be an unspoken understanding that
no one who recieves a promo can ever upload it to their
computer. lol.


 

offline RussellDust on 2006-11-10 10:01 [#02000138]
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electronic music will be free soon, and the music will get
more and more shit because 'artists' wll be tired trying to
make a living waiting tables AND then doing music for a load
of retards who think it's all due to them for free. just coz
half of xlt makes music (pretty shit music) and bungs it
around for free, desperately wanting a nice comment and some
love whilst basically copying the music that's already out
there, doesn't mean we all wish to have a billion mp3s of
shite. i like to pay for an album, i really musst have lost
the plot.


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-10 10:22 [#02000145]
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A question: Why do there have to be press releases before
the actual release date?


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-11-10 10:27 [#02000146]
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Best post ever! :)


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-11-10 10:40 [#02000150]
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this post has been made 10028458487884 times by dog_belch



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 10:41 [#02000151]
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And it's truer than ever.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 10:47 [#02000153]
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OPEN LETTER TO MONOLAKE

I'd never fucking heard of you before you started crying
about this. Consider it free advertising. Not that I'll by
your rubbish, whatever it is.

Love

dog_belch/ DJ Cloudy P



 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 10:51 [#02000158]
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Monolake is actually pretty good. You should download some
and check it out.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 10:56 [#02000161]
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How's tagged CDs going to work, you just.. retag them, if
you were HELLBENT on spreading MONOLAKE for free. How about
sending out mono Monolake promos???? Marketing,.. ideas,...
call me!

I just assume they sound like .. I don't know, .. are they
as good as Pomme de Terre, who I am actually listening to
and did pay for.


 

offline Brisk from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-10 11:08 [#02000172]
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Monolake is decent, but how naive can Henke be if he didn't
think that his promo could/would be ripped by someone? We
can argue the case for and against filesharing forever, but
the fact remains that all music is gonna end up on the
internet eventually. I know that advance rips can be a bit
shitty for the artist(s) involved, but it really doesn't
matter if the MP3 arrives two weeks before or two weeks
after retail - people are either gonna buy it or they
aren't. And a lot of people make that decision only AFTER
listening to the MP3 release.

Relax Henke... stick on your Buddha album (which is neat by
the way) and contemplate this: you're not the first this has
happened to, and I guarentee you won't be the last. Enjoy
the free publicity!


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-11-10 11:10 [#02000175]
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The capitalisation in that post makes me think
"MONOHELL/BENTLAKE" would be a good track title.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-11-10 11:11 [#02000177]
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As an aside, wouldn't it be funny as fuck to stitch up a
rival music magazine by ULing your promo copy with tags that
made it look like a member of staff on another magazine did
it? The artist concerned may even give you an exclusive
interview to spite the other mag.


 

offline Brisk from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-10 11:11 [#02000178]
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He probably means "watermarking" the recordings. This can be
as elaborate as you want it to be, and usually means editing
the sound of each disc seperately. Good for tracking, but
lets face it.... it takes absolutely ages, and small labels
simply don't have the cash to file lawsuits.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 11:14 [#02000180]
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The irony of course is that I am now downloading this album.



 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-11-10 11:18 [#02000183]
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I would like to add that even if I support piracy I still
buy good music.


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-11-10 11:21 [#02000186]
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I never really know where I stand on music piracy, I buy 20
odd new cds a year, so I think I'm not too awful


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-10 11:21 [#02000187]
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Hang on, this isn't on soulseek at all, what a fucking
desperate attempt to drum up sympathy and advertising. I
tell you what MONOLAKE, fuck you, in both channels.


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2006-11-10 11:26 [#02000190]
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"I tell you what MONOLAKE, fuck you, in both channels."

that is, without a doubt, the "fuck you" quote of the
decade.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-11-10 12:09 [#02000212]
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It'd be relatively easy to automate the tagging with shell
scripts on Linux. Just insert something almost inaudible but
characteristic somewhere different on each copy, and not so
high pitched that mp3 encoding would get rid of it. Anyways
that's the first thing my fevered paranoid mind could think
of.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-10 12:52 [#02000242]
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get to work on it, mr. Peeps!

do not leave some small obscure label waiting!


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-11-10 12:53 [#02000245]
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I really dig the mono-stereo joke.


 

offline blobula from BElgraDe on 2006-11-10 20:06 [#02000453]
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pathetic:

every monolake release was on aouslseek weeks before
release...BUT after the year+ hype over the buddha machine
thing (15.000 sold) he said something...because maybe he
wanted to jump on the buddha wagon hype and sell more (than)
ever...
it is ok release, but no so radical as buddha remixes on
staubgold...it's sometimes just multilayered to be playable
as normal music, without the box (which was the point)...
so
dear robert henke, think again.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-11-10 20:43 [#02000475]
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its a good thing this release is mediocre at completely
boring. Otherwise, he'd really be upset


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-11-11 00:18 [#02000498]
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i thought monolake was all girls


 

offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-11-11 00:43 [#02000500]
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piracy increases sales, it's a fact.


 

offline Brisk from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-11 06:09 [#02000542]
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and cock size.


 

offline dave_g from United Kingdom on 2006-11-11 06:18 [#02000546]
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So even if this didn't happen, someone would BUY the CD then
RIP it and UPLOAD it anyway. So why is he annoyed? OMGOMG
you uploaded it a few weeks before we expected it to
happen!

If music is worth buying then most people will pay for it,
if not they will go to hell or something maybe (?)

I kind of have sympathy for him, but I think he is being a
tad too naive. If he doesn't want it on there, perhaps put a
big note saying "Please do not upload this music, it will
make us bankrupt" or something along those lines.

I think he shouldn't release ANY music at all. That way it
will never get on slsk and he can sit there smug in the
knowledge that no one else will be able to enjoy it.

lol-tastic quotes:
"two of you worked so massively against us"
- erm no. perspective required here urgently

"We do promotion with nice and expensive finished products"

- so the finsihed product is EXPENSIVE, hmmm maybe that's
why you're worried it's on slsk. Why not make it fairly
priced?

"if the music appears online and we guarantee we will
take every possible legal action against this person"
- I think it is generally a bad idea to threaten the people
reviewing a new album. Do you really think you will get a
favourable review?
--review- "despite the pending court action, I still think
you should go out and buy this 'expensive finished product'.
It really is good. ".... I think not.


 

offline Monoid from one source all things depend on 2006-11-11 07:10 [#02000559]
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Me too!! LOL! But I wont ever listen to it, ILL JUST SHARE
IT


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-11 07:28 [#02000565]
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This thing overlooks the possibility that it wasn't a
reviewer who uploaded them at all, but perhaps what they
did, being tired of receiving 1,000,000,000 identical
sounding "experimental" CDs on a daily basis, handed over a
fucking boxfull of the things unlistened to, to friends or,
as likely, people they didn't particularly like.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-11 09:34 [#02000608]
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that's a possibility, it could also have been a copy of a
review cd given to a friend (or hated enemy), but even then
the responsibility for the leak would lie with the reviewer
who received the disk.


 

offline big from lsg on 2006-11-11 10:32 [#02000648]
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so journalists write their review for the same week the cd
comes out


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-11 11:22 [#02000684]
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I don't see the advantage.. if it's good it's good if it's
not it's not. I don't need a journalist to tell me that. And
even if I did, I still had to wait till it's released.. so
what's the point of it all?


 

offline big from lsg on 2006-11-11 11:25 [#02000691]
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i don't see how you don't like reviews is relevant
they have publish the review in the week the cd comes out so
people buy the cd


 

offline Aesthetics from the IDM Kiosk on 2006-11-11 11:30 [#02000696]
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Does it really matter if this review is written in the same
week as the release?


 

offline big from lsg on 2006-11-11 11:36 [#02000698]
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well not for me
but they do want to be propelled into the top40


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-11-11 11:47 [#02000707]
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obviously you have never heard what the beat


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-11 14:44 [#02000836]
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which would be a bit of a miracle, really.


 

offline Netlon Sentinel from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-13 01:45 [#02001314]
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On the Ableton forum, Henke says he just wants respect, or
something. It seems to me he wrote the open letter at the
peak of his anger, which is never a good idea... It's all a
bit embarrassing, really.

The album is good though.

Blobula: please point me to those remixes on Staubgold!


 

offline rzezniq from gorzow (Poland) on 2006-11-13 04:04 [#02001345]
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So even they use soulseek:).


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-11-13 07:43 [#02001423]
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Hey, are his albums good? If they are, I'll download some
from soulseek.


 


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