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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig\\\'s Throat on 2001-06-07 11:59 [#00008587] | |||||||||
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Hello People. I am attemtoing to make some techno stylee tunes that people can dance to. I am going to incorporate present tunes with dance beats. I am doing a bit of research. What elements of tunes do people dance to ? Drums, synth tunes or others ? Thanks W.T. |
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streamer on 2001-06-07 12:05 [#00008589] | |||||||||
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Drums!!! Beats!!! It's always the beats that gat you grinding on the dancefloor. A quality beat is like a tractor-beam. |
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streamer on 2001-06-07 12:39 [#00008590] | |||||||||
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Oh yeah.......and a booming bass-line. The rhythm section is where it's at and a good rhythm section will make a good track. |
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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s Throat on 2001-06-07 12:49 [#00008591] | |||||||||
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Streamer, Am I correct in the following breakdowns: Element 1 - Drum beats Element 2 - Bass Element 3 - Rythm (snare drums) Element 4 - Melody (funny sounds / little beeps) Or would you say there is no set rule? I get the impression when I am out watching folk on the dance floor, that a lot of people dance to structured beats, why i wonder do some people find it difficult to connect to total randomness. |
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streamer on 2001-06-07 12:59 [#00008596] | |||||||||
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I don't think the masses connect with total randomness and is not really dancer-friendly. I always like it when a tune evolves and is built up in layers. eg Starting with a subtle beat say just a few drums or just hi-hats and then gradually building up into a nice groove. Then maybe joined by another beat over the top using different sounds, working nicely together. I don't like too much flashness either, not at the expense of the groove, which in my humble opinion is ALL IMPORTANT! But like I say, this is just my opinion. I don't think there is any set way to go about it, if everyone used the same methods, where would we be? - All listening to shitty House music!!! |
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Gary on 2001-06-07 13:45 [#00008598] | |||||||||
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a good solid bass line and plenty of cymbals get me going, most people go with the bass drum and vocal and end up doing the same thing all night.. a good progression is needed alright but i'm a firm belliever in cymbals |
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od from perth on 2001-06-07 14:09 [#00008602] | |||||||||
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whats all this then? NO snares, just 4 kicks and a bleep that happens once every 16 steps, or dots or whatever. and a singer. rubbish. why would you bother? im a hypocrite coz most of my stuff is gorrible horrible dance music. |
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phiz from Amsterdam on 2001-06-08 08:17 [#00008678] | |||||||||
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BASS!!!! is all you need. don't bother with anything else, just make a tune with all BASS!!! BASS!! is what makes the ladies quiver, so it is all you need |
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M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-08 09:40 [#00008683] | |||||||||
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I think music can be described in terms of symmetry and patterns, or lack thereof. (or like autechre said "linearity") Look at a tile wall in a bathroom. You can take any tile and slide it, theoretically, until it fits exactly on the next tile. This is a simple basic geometric alteration. Now take a typical drum pattern with a "good beat". If it has a good comprehendable beat, you will be able to slide a piece of it through time until it fits exactly on another piece. This is symmetry (any object changed to represent that same object). Our brains find symmetry pleasant for some reason, and nature has lots of symmetrical patterns. (The tide goes up, down, up, down, Planets circle around and around- each revolution very similar to the previous) Like cutting out paper dolls. Complete randomness is actually impossible. After all if you were to attempt to create a completely random song, it can't be random, because your brain or some computer program determined it. There is no such thing as random. Toss a pair of dice, and a very complicated formula involving their path through the air, their shape etc. will determine what they land on, the number isn't random. But sound without symmetry lacks comprehendability. I like just the right blend, just barely comprehendable is my favorite. That's where your brain has to play real hard. |
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M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-08 09:43 [#00008684] | |||||||||
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So to answer the ?, they dance to symmetry. The dance should have a similar pattern to the song. But I don't dance, so I couldn't say much about it. |
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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig's Throat on 2001-06-08 10:06 [#00008688] | |||||||||
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I am unable to dance also. I tell a lie, I try to dance but I resemble a paralysed monkey. That is why I find "Brain Dance" so exciting, the brain can dance to anything as there are no mechanical boundries for movement. I think some night clubs should be made without dance floors and only braindance is pumped into peoples ears. If anyone is caught dancing with body movements they will be thrown out of the club by some extremely strong monkeys dressed in clown costumes. |
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M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-08 10:11 [#00008689] | |||||||||
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That's a good idea, but I think the purpose of clubs is to socialize. I couldn't say much about it either because I don't go to clubs, or really any other social events except ones I have to go to like work. It would be pointless to go to a club for this purpose if you could just listen on headphones in your room and get the same effect. I only like the mental part of music myself. I like songs that take multiple listens to be able to comprehend. |
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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig's Throat on 2001-06-08 10:14 [#00008690] | |||||||||
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Although I do not partake that often, I do admit to dabbling in the world of MDMA. In February of this year I went to a Trance night. I do not listen to trance music much. I consumed some synthetic material and found that I developed symetrical dancing techniques. I don't know if it was the music, the people or the chemicals, but it was fun. Bye |
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M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-08 10:14 [#00008691] | |||||||||
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the brain can dance to anything as there are no mechanical boundries for movement. Kind of like Babbage's first computational machine (computer) was limited by it's clumsy mechanical (non electric) properties (gears and whatnot). |
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rubbish john from i dunno where on 2001-06-08 10:21 [#00008693] | |||||||||
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i like to dance, it's a release of energy, and quite frankly, if i didn't dance, i'd probably end up purchasing some kind of big arse gun and kill at least 5 people with it before turning the gun on myself and pumping my own face full of bullets. some people say i dance a bit like Carlton off 'the fresh prince of bel air'. |
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M from Fraggle Rock on 2001-06-08 10:23 [#00008695] | |||||||||
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Ahhh ha ha ha, get jiggy, Carlton. |
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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig's Throat on 2001-06-08 10:43 [#00008699] | |||||||||
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Go Girl...Go Girl...Go Girl / Go Rob...Go Rob...Go Rob |
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krankmobile on 2001-06-08 11:55 [#00008717] | |||||||||
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Element 1 - Drum beats Element 2 - Bass Element 3 - Rythm (snare drums) Element 4 - Melody (funny sounds / little beeps) if you think of your track like this you ain't better then the average singer/guitar/bass/drums rockband fuck them the key is to my humble opinion experimenting till it sounds all right although it's clear that intelligent & groovy rhytmework does a lot for a danceable track |
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wizards teeth from Inside a Pig's Throat on 2001-06-08 12:20 [#00008719] | |||||||||
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Yes I agree. I shall not use that format so rigidly. I shall develop a stylee. |
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streamer on 2001-06-08 12:43 [#00008722] | |||||||||
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Go on my son! |
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SWAI from Denmark on 2001-06-08 15:45 [#00008750] | |||||||||
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The bit with the clowns is a good idea, it would certainly be a clubi would wisit.. Wizard teeth... you havent seen a danish show called "Casper & Mandrillaftalen" have you? a lot of your shit resembles it. They used to have this TV guide where a man with a plastic horse tied to his shirt would say what happened during the night like 22:00 Britney spears gives birth to car 22:01 Hip-hopper from Iran, shovels pink bike 9000 times and so on and so on and so on.... it was a great show |
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inky on 2001-06-08 15:48 [#00008752] | |||||||||
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no matter how bad garage sounds, its well structured, if you could take that structure and make it with decent sounds then you'd have a winner. |
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Wizards Teeth on 2001-06-08 16:07 [#00008758] | |||||||||
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SWAI - No I have not seen that show in England, I will check it out, I think I may laugh at that sort of stuff. If it was in English would you see if you can get a video of it and I will send some form of money to you in exchange. Inky - I agree with you some Garage tunes are well made. I enjoy some of the beats they use. I would actually listen to it on a more regular basis if they did not have shitty words over the top of them : eg - Craig David, ooh, ooh. Met a girl on a monday, stroked her onions on a tuesday, laughed at an ox on a wednesday, we were running away from motorised haystacks on thrusday and friday and saturday and painted hens on sunday |
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rubbish john from london's east end on 2001-06-08 16:09 [#00008759] | |||||||||
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inky - true, true. i've tried and failed. |
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inky on 2001-06-08 16:10 [#00008760] | |||||||||
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yer garage has sometihng there, but i think it could be made a bit nasty with some harsh noises etc to givew it some effect, garage mcs = wank mc off chaos AD (generation shit tune) = bomb etc |
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rubbish john from london's east end on 2001-06-08 16:14 [#00008762] | |||||||||
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garage mc's are 'alright'......but don't take garage to be just what you see on the tele and hear on the radio. there is some shit hot proper dark stuff out there....somewhere..... |
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Earface from England on 2001-06-08 22:45 [#00008806] | |||||||||
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You CAN dance to braindance. At the Nesh nights it was like sped up Yoga. You just have to predict the beats sometimes. At the last one there were even people dancing to this (quite shite) rythmless noise spewed out by Hecker and his equipment. Nice. |
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Springymajig from New Zealand (www.mp3.com/aureus) on 2001-06-08 23:23 [#00008824] | |||||||||
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I think Halcyon+on+on by orbital is a perfect dance tune. The beat sounds complex but still has the 4/4 bass drum thing. So it's a pleasure to listen to, if you don't dance to it. I don't go to dance parties or anything, but I'm sure it's good to dance to. |
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