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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-10-17 19:40 [#01988558]
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I heard a bit about it today on the radio and was curious if anyone here has had any experience with it, seeing that this is an international messageboard. What I heard, which I vaguely remember, was about a predominantly Muslim neighborhood in France declaring that they are a sovereign Muslim nation or something. They wouldn't allow a French official enter if I remember right (I can't find the artical on Google).
I also hear that this type of religious law is spreading in Canada and Britian. Or at least the attempt to validate/legalize it through which ever country's government this happens to be in.
What's the deal?
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-10-17 19:41 [#01988559]
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:S no idea
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Valor
on 2006-10-17 19:42 [#01988560]
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this is only a sign of things to come...
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-10-17 19:42 [#01988561]
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Hasn't there been some hubbub about in England?
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-10-17 19:44 [#01988562]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/theissues/article/0,6512,777972,0 0.html
I haven't hearrd anything about it, but frrom what I've just quicky rread in the last 3 seconds, it doesn't give me anything to worrrry about.
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-10-17 19:48 [#01988563]
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It would be inconceivable to allow to flourish in this country a law under which women can be stoned to death for adultery and petty thieves can have both arms amputated; or a series of laws that places women in a permanent state of inferiority and supplication while giving men overwhelming power, including the right to perform acts of violence on their wives
Maybe cerrtain considerrations of specific ethic values might be taken into account in the UK, and labeled 'Sharia', orr whateverr, but like I just said, doesn't seem to be anything to worrrry about. Not herre atleast.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 02:52 [#01988602]
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I was reading about it being adopted in the UK a couple of months back. It's only about 20% of muslims in the UK who think it has any relevence in the UK (that's "any relevance at all" not "it should be adopted").
Personally, I think the idea is ludicrous; I wouldn't go to another country, commit a crime under their law and expect to be tried under my own law. Similarly, I don't want to (in my country) get lost in an unfamiliar town/city and accidentally wander into an area of Sharia law and be tried under a barbarous, uncivilised law.
Still, this should illustrate to the lefties who've had a hard-on for Islam since 9/11, that "my enemy's enemy is not my friend".
Disclaimer: I am not anti-islamic. I have several friends who are Muslims. They are all integrated, civilised people who are not very different from me.
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felch king
on 2006-10-18 02:58 [#01988604]
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Is it anything like Sara's Law? If it is then I'm all for it. Cut their balls off!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 03:36 [#01988611]
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Hang the lot of them. Touching up the kids... ...makes me mad.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 04:53 [#01988626]
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fuck that. i hate it when ethnic/religious minorities try to impose their own laws on the majority. when in rome, do as the romans do. i adhere to that.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 05:43 [#01988641]
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Agreed. I find myself siding with the bigots on this one, "If you don't like it here, then fuck off home!" :/
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-10-18 06:07 [#01988647]
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that's it, make it all black OR white, left OR right, because that's how life works, obviously.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 06:10 [#01988648]
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i know! i may sound like a nazi, but people should at least partially integrate with the existing society instead of bringing their own and closing themselves off. if i moved to saudi arabia i would dress like a local, smoke sheesha with the guys at work, etc. i would not shut myself away or expect everyone to be tolerant of the lifestyle i am used to at home and choose to bring with me.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-18 06:38 [#01988651]
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but you don't...
you don't agree with all laws passed where you live. you don't even agree with laws passed in america where you don't live and you'd probably feel disgusted or outraged if you saw someone, law in hand, light their wife on fire (you can't do that, but it's an extreme example).
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-18 06:43 [#01988652]
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and if you think about it, you'll probably come to the conclusion that you shouldn't agree with the law in effect where you happen to be at that given time because the majority supports it.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 06:44 [#01988653]
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i guess you are right. i suppose i mean cultural things as opposed to legal systems.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-18 06:44 [#01988654]
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how are legal systems not cultural things?
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 07:13 [#01988662]
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Its rubbish, most muslims in the UK dont want it, and muslims themselves are wanting to reform sharia law ...
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 08:34 [#01988694]
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Why not, it's what Anne Coulter does. :D
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Valor
on 2006-10-18 08:51 [#01988703]
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focus young jedi, focus!
problem sharia law, focus! you can do it!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 09:04 [#01988709]
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Okay, back on topic:
The ins and outs of Sharia law and the barabarism of it is irrelevant. Even if it were a moderate, reasonable legal system, with no "cruel or unusual" punishments, it ought not to be implemented, unless the majority of the populace believe it to be superior (and by that, I mean "more just") than the existing law. In that case, it ought to be implememented across the country as a whole, completely replacing the existing legal system.
A division of the law and how it is applied in various districts is a backwards step and the opposite of what most counties are currently doing with regard to standardisation of bye-law enforcement. Implementation of any other legal system in a region-specific manner can only serve to further ghettoise those who choose to live within it and segregate them further from society. Furthermore, it will drive out indiginous people who currently live within Muslim communities, furthering the rift. In short, it will block integration, not aid it.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-10-18 09:06 [#01988711]
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Incidentally, "Sharia" rhymes nicely with "Maria" and is crying out for a satirical cover version of Blondie's hit of the same name...
eg "...go insane and cut off your ha-aands."
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xceque
on 2006-10-18 11:22 [#01988747]
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I thought this was going to be about the porn star Sharia Law.
I have no idea if there actually is a porn star called Sharia Law, but if there isn't there damn well should be.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-10-18 11:54 [#01988759]
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Just found some interesting articles while between classes:
Maybe this is how they get a "foot in the door"
It's not a majority, but 4 out of 10 is still alot.
And maybe this how it ends?
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-10-18 11:59 [#01988760]
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I wouldn't want to live somewhere dictated by the laws of any religion. Roman Catholic primary school was enough for me.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-10-18 12:00 [#01988761]
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If a Muslim-British citizen is dealt with this way--being hung at the age of 16--will the police be prepared to handle having to go into a predominantly radical Islamic neighborhood to inact justice? What happens if there are riots?
I hope you guys are taking precautions...
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-10-18 12:01 [#01988762]
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I knew they had gone too far when they renamed Maria to Sharia on Sesame Street!
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 12:33 [#01988773]
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Ceri, we seem to be having a discussion about the ins and outs of something that has not happened and will never happen - sharia law will never be implemented in any part of the UK, muslims countries dont even implement it , so this discussion is largely pointless
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dog_belch
from Netherlands, The on 2006-10-18 12:37 [#01988774]
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But imagine raping a girl, saying she led you on, then you get to watch her be hanged by a JCB. Come on, it's not all no booze and having to have a beard.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 13:30 [#01988823]
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yes they do iran and saudi arabia have parts of it at least - 16-year-old girls getting stoned for being adulterous (or being raped)
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-18 15:35 [#01988977]
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the vast majoirty of muslim countires (and therefore vast majority of muslims) dont follow such barbaric sharia.
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