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what are the bondaries of music?
 

offline stefano_azevedo from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-10-09 13:15 [#01984643]
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today morning i was in the bus and its motor sounded a lot
like good music to my ears.

listening birds singing is very good, but is it music?

what is music?
what is not?


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:18 [#01984647]
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there is a printing press machine at work that has this
awesome 3/4 beat when it's running over 9,000 sheets of
paper an hour


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2006-10-09 13:18 [#01984650]
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all sound is music and silence too*


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:19 [#01984651]
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V.Snares


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:19 [#01984652]
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Some dude is fixing the dollar bill insert on the
popmachine, while his cell phone goes off. Then he is saying
"i dont know"


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-10-09 13:20 [#01984653]
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If it has an 808 and slap bass, it's music.


 

offline thodob from Bergen (Norway) on 2006-10-09 13:24 [#01984656]
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is silence music??
thats the question


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 13:33 [#01984663]
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imagine you create an mboard about music that people enjoy
and 1 or 2 guys keep coming there and want only talk sperm.
what would you do ? [nevermind what was the real reason why
you created the mboard]. what would you do ?

motor sounds + birds = awesome music.

well, depending on the bpm of course.

anyway, field recordings as sample source - RULE


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:41 [#01984665]
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even some original hip-hoppas didn't know if they were
making music..


 

offline 05 from vita contemplativa on 2006-10-09 15:21 [#01984742]
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if there is something as total silence on this planet at
all...
funny, the bus incident sounds awfully familiar...


 

offline roygbivcore from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-09 15:45 [#01984753]
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this machine at the gas station makes a weird beat.

^i dunno what that is but its GROSS


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-10-09 15:48 [#01984756]
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what is that exactly in your avatar?


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-10-09 16:09 [#01984762]
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It's a cock between a pair of tits, mirrored. Cover half of
it and you'll see what I mean.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-09 17:16 [#01984794]
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music is that which you believe to be music


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-10-09 19:09 [#01984832]
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Music is sounds which the artist intend to be called "music"


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 19:38 [#01984836]
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we are the music makers

and we

we are

the makers of hot, yummy love of yum tummy yums

and that's the sweat spot

salty

thank you


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-10-09 19:43 [#01984840]
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you can call music anything..as long as you don't have good
taste.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-10-09 20:57 [#01984846]
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although its good on paper to describe the sounds of an
environment as 'music', if you went ahead and recorded these
sounds, then published them unaltered on a cd, i think youd
find yourself calling it 'the sound of traffic' rather than
'the sound of music'



 

offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-10 04:38 [#01984911]
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i don't think it it has boundries. for me if thinking about
it in the broardest possible sense, it is simply the
intentional exploration of sound and time.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 04:45 [#01984912]
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if it doesn't have boundaries how are you still able to tell
what is music and what isn't?


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-10-10 04:57 [#01984914]
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if the author says it is then it is. im making music typing
this..i have a loud keyboard see.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 04:59 [#01984915]
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not necessarily.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-10-10 05:00 [#01984917]
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'sarcasm'


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 05:01 [#01984918]
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not necessarily.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-10-10 05:11 [#01984919]
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haha

we make music here..silent music.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 05:32 [#01984925]
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neccesarily.


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-10 11:30 [#01985063]
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I asked my music teacher whether we could do noise music for
GCSE as all you need to do is follow a set of guidelines for
music. He didn't take me seriously.


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:38 [#01985070]
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LAZY_TITLE

I don't like John Cage's music mostly - but this was his
best track - 4 minutes and 33 seconds of live silence -
where the room becomes the primary player in the sound of it
all


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:57 [#01985081]
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offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:58 [#01985082]
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see! recycle gets it!!


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-10 11:58 [#01985083]
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The Boundaries of Music

<|Coldplay----------Eminem----------Aphex Twin|>
\_________________________________/
Crazy Frog



 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-10 12:03 [#01985085]
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thats a good chuckle after lunch


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2006-10-10 13:01 [#01985113]
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Maybe it is easier to think about if you make a distinction
between between what is 'music' and what is a 'composition'.
I think that natural sounds could be called music. A birds
song has tone and harmony. The sound of waves hitting the
shore and the or the running of the copy machine both have
rhythm, tone and texture. In fact, I would venture to guess
that whoever wrote the first "song" was probably emulating
sounds they heard in their environment anyway.

A composition would be some planned organization of elements
into a finished piece of art. Anytime a person becomes
involved in actively manipulating and organizing the layout
of sound I believe it could be considered a musical
composition, even if it just adjusting the frequencies of
white noise or banging on a can. Some people think that if
something doesn't follow the classical rules and principals
of music theory it isn't really music. That just comes from
a narrow and unprogressive view of what music really is.
The objective, absolute rules are things like E, G, and B
always make an E minor triplet or if you tap your toe and a
certain rate it makes a certain number of beats per minute.
Those things are fundamental and unchangable. Each style,
genre, etc. has its own standards and boundries regarding
how those rules and principals should be applied and how
flexible they are. There is no concrete rules for this,
only principals and it is subjective to the standards of the
genre and the taste of each individual listener.

So, if you record the sound of the waterfall and put that
out completely unaltered can you call it a composition?
People take photographs of scenery all the time and it is
considered to be their intellectual property, so I don't see
why the same principal wouldn't apply to audio art.


 

offline aneurySm from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 13:08 [#01985118]
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It's the conscious choice to archive the moment as you see
fit or however you can with what tools & skills you have.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-10-10 14:14 [#01985176]
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Music is an organization of sounds that someone enjoys.

It has to be organized by someone in some sense, however, as
art must require an artist.

Thats not to say that an artist can't go record a waterfall
and claim it's music.



 

offline OK on 2006-10-11 01:58 [#01985323]
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some say music must have melody, rythm and harmony. but this
definition is outdated, it's all about appreciation. i agree
with glasse.


 

offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-11 02:17 [#01985326]
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this question extends into all artforms. in visual arts its
debated alot more and as a result we get pieces of poo in a
can being sold at christies for crazy amounts of money etc..


although I may not enjoy or appreciate some sound art and
such, if its made by someone who says that it is music, that
it was his intention to make music then I guess it has to be
right? That is if your are to say that music has no
boundries. The idea of anything having boundries is not
something I enjoy, so I subscribe to the idea that art is
without bounds, and accept the results, both good and bad.



 

offline B123 from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-11 18:32 [#01985803]
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bump for answer from DM


 


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