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stefano_azevedo
from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-10-09 13:15 [#01984643]
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today morning i was in the bus and its motor sounded a lot like good music to my ears.
listening birds singing is very good, but is it music?
what is music? what is not?
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:18 [#01984647]
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there is a printing press machine at work that has this awesome 3/4 beat when it's running over 9,000 sheets of paper an hour
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2006-10-09 13:18 [#01984650]
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all sound is music and silence too*
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:19 [#01984651]
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V.Snares
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:19 [#01984652]
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Some dude is fixing the dollar bill insert on the popmachine, while his cell phone goes off. Then he is saying "i dont know"
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-10-09 13:20 [#01984653]
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If it has an 808 and slap bass, it's music.
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thodob
from Bergen (Norway) on 2006-10-09 13:24 [#01984656]
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is silence music?? thats the question
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-10-09 13:33 [#01984663]
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imagine you create an mboard about music that people enjoy and 1 or 2 guys keep coming there and want only talk sperm. what would you do ? [nevermind what was the real reason why you created the mboard]. what would you do ?
motor sounds + birds = awesome music.
well, depending on the bpm of course.
anyway, field recordings as sample source - RULE
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 13:41 [#01984665]
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even some original hip-hoppas didn't know if they were making music..
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05
from vita contemplativa on 2006-10-09 15:21 [#01984742]
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if there is something as total silence on this planet at all...
funny, the bus incident sounds awfully familiar...
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roygbivcore
from Joyrex.com, of course! on 2006-10-09 15:45 [#01984753]
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this machine at the gas station makes a weird beat.
^i dunno what that is but its GROSS
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-10-09 15:48 [#01984756]
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what is that exactly in your avatar?
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-10-09 16:09 [#01984762]
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It's a cock between a pair of tits, mirrored. Cover half of it and you'll see what I mean.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-09 17:16 [#01984794]
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music is that which you believe to be music
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-10-09 19:09 [#01984832]
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Music is sounds which the artist intend to be called "music"
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-09 19:38 [#01984836]
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we are the music makers
and we
we are
the makers of hot, yummy love of yum tummy yums
and that's the sweat spot
salty
thank you
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-10-09 19:43 [#01984840]
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you can call music anything..as long as you don't have good taste.
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rockenjohnny
from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-10-09 20:57 [#01984846]
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although its good on paper to describe the sounds of an environment as 'music', if you went ahead and recorded these sounds, then published them unaltered on a cd, i think youd find yourself calling it 'the sound of traffic' rather than 'the sound of music'
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-10 04:38 [#01984911]
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i don't think it it has boundries. for me if thinking about it in the broardest possible sense, it is simply the intentional exploration of sound and time.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 04:45 [#01984912]
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if it doesn't have boundaries how are you still able to tell what is music and what isn't?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-10-10 04:57 [#01984914]
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if the author says it is then it is. im making music typing this..i have a loud keyboard see.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 04:59 [#01984915]
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not necessarily.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-10-10 05:00 [#01984917]
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'sarcasm'
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 05:01 [#01984918]
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not necessarily.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-10-10 05:11 [#01984919]
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haha
we make music here..silent music.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-10-10 05:32 [#01984925]
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neccesarily.
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futureimage
from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-10 11:30 [#01985063]
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I asked my music teacher whether we could do noise music for GCSE as all you need to do is follow a set of guidelines for music. He didn't take me seriously.
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:38 [#01985070]
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LAZY_TITLE
I don't like John Cage's music mostly - but this was his best track - 4 minutes and 33 seconds of live silence - where the room becomes the primary player in the sound of it all
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:57 [#01985081]
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 11:58 [#01985082]
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see! recycle gets it!!
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2006-10-10 11:58 [#01985083]
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The Boundaries of Music
<|Coldplay----------Eminem----------Aphex Twin|> \_________________________________/ Crazy Frog
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-10-10 12:03 [#01985085]
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thats a good chuckle after lunch
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2006-10-10 13:01 [#01985113]
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Maybe it is easier to think about if you make a distinction between between what is 'music' and what is a 'composition'. I think that natural sounds could be called music. A birds song has tone and harmony. The sound of waves hitting the shore and the or the running of the copy machine both have rhythm, tone and texture. In fact, I would venture to guess that whoever wrote the first "song" was probably emulating sounds they heard in their environment anyway.
A composition would be some planned organization of elements into a finished piece of art. Anytime a person becomes involved in actively manipulating and organizing the layout of sound I believe it could be considered a musical composition, even if it just adjusting the frequencies of white noise or banging on a can. Some people think that if something doesn't follow the classical rules and principals of music theory it isn't really music. That just comes from a narrow and unprogressive view of what music really is. The objective, absolute rules are things like E, G, and B always make an E minor triplet or if you tap your toe and a certain rate it makes a certain number of beats per minute. Those things are fundamental and unchangable. Each style, genre, etc. has its own standards and boundries regarding how those rules and principals should be applied and how flexible they are. There is no concrete rules for this, only principals and it is subjective to the standards of the genre and the taste of each individual listener.
So, if you record the sound of the waterfall and put that out completely unaltered can you call it a composition? People take photographs of scenery all the time and it is considered to be their intellectual property, so I don't see why the same principal wouldn't apply to audio art.
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aneurySm
from Ypsilanti (United States) on 2006-10-10 13:08 [#01985118]
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It's the conscious choice to archive the moment as you see fit or however you can with what tools & skills you have.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-10-10 14:14 [#01985176]
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Music is an organization of sounds that someone enjoys.
It has to be organized by someone in some sense, however, as art must require an artist.
Thats not to say that an artist can't go record a waterfall and claim it's music.
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OK
on 2006-10-11 01:58 [#01985323]
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some say music must have melody, rythm and harmony. but this definition is outdated, it's all about appreciation. i agree with glasse.
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-11 02:17 [#01985326]
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this question extends into all artforms. in visual arts its debated alot more and as a result we get pieces of poo in a can being sold at christies for crazy amounts of money etc..
although I may not enjoy or appreciate some sound art and such, if its made by someone who says that it is music, that it was his intention to make music then I guess it has to be right? That is if your are to say that music has no boundries. The idea of anything having boundries is not something I enjoy, so I subscribe to the idea that art is without bounds, and accept the results, both good and bad.
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B123
from The wicked underbelly (Australia) on 2006-10-11 18:32 [#01985803]
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bump for answer from DM
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