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offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-09-19 22:06 [#01974233]
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I haven’t communicated with my oldest brother for awhile
and just recently started exchanging emails with him again.
As it turns out, he still has a no-talk-or-see policy when
it comes to our father. In fact, when referring to our
father, I state that he is MY father or dad, as in: “Yeah,
mom said such and such and MY father didn’t care.” My
brother doesn’t attempt to correct or question how I
present the possession our father solely to me. Yeah, my
brother and father have had a tumultuous relationship over
the years which include his embittered feelings toward him
for the divorce of our mother that resulted from our dad’s
infidelity. I, personally, have only had a few scuffles with
my father in my youth, once protecting said brother from him
while he was in a drunken rage. But I don’t really see how
I could totally disavow my father. I’m privy to all the
facts of the situations in question and I don’t find
reason for my brother’s attitude...

So the questions are:

Have you ever gotten in to it with your father, “bumped
heads?”

If so, will you always hold a grudge regardless?



 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-09-19 22:15 [#01974235]
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i get along great with my dad. we have even smoked herb
together which was a great bonding experience. on the other
hand, my family has never been very affectionate, and I feel
wierd hugging my parents or even my sister. also, we rarely
say "i love you" to eachother. still, we are quite civil to
eachother and visit often and spend holidays with together
and such.

i realize i didn't really answer your questions.


 

offline mimi on 2006-09-19 22:20 [#01974236]
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i had a similar situation for a long time, my sister didn't
talk to my father for 7 years but she gave it up eventually
because of some health issues he has


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-09-19 23:10 [#01974244]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



my dad and i have nothing to talk about. hes just a
housemate. it would be really awkward if i walked into his
room and asked him 'whats up', he'd be like "what?" "what
happened!"


 

offline darkpromenade from Australia on 2006-09-20 00:39 [#01974269]
Points: 2777 Status: Regular



my Father and I get along better now than we ever have.
He's my father, not my mate, which sits well with me. like
evolume, my family isn't overly affectionate, but it is
supportive and loving, in an unspoken way.

he only ever knocked me to the ground once. I deserved it.


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-09-20 06:54 [#01974396]
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You know, this entire thread, the idea of "Against Thy
Father" is reallly, really good material for a theme to a
song. And I would like to use it as a premise to base
somthing off of. You know like this, say:

Say, there is a family where the father is dead, and the
mother is left to raise two children alone. A boy is angry
at his father (like most boys are at a certain age.) Only,
he is angry at his father for dying. Angry because now he
see's what it has done to his mother and other brother. Only
he is still a little too young to understand and feel
complete sorrow and grief as most mpeople would past a
certain age. The boy is maybe 9 or 10.

He's angry at his father for leaving them all behind.

I really think it's a great idea for a song, and I'm going
to get started on it ASAP.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-09-20 06:59 [#01974397]
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I actually may have some stuff that could fit this (it's in
a bit of an odd timesig, though), and I find it hard to work
on it without it getting either too random or repetitive..
maybe vocals could help?


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-09-20 07:02 [#01974398]
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I'll see what Andy can get together. He sings great. We'll
lay down something acoustic and you can do the synth part
and drums. I just talked to him and that's what he wants,
maybe like electrofolk style, but very, very, VERY minor and
downtempo.

I'm excited for this, it's just a great idea. It feels
powerful to me, maybe it's just me. :\


 

offline thatne from United States on 2006-09-20 07:03 [#01974399]
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my father and i are both grown men
and i dont hold grudges because its
too bad for the psychical energies.
i believe in a policy of true love i.e.
everyone being themselves despite
any fear, because the consequences
are just too painful otherwise. thatne


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-09-20 07:05 [#01974400]
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heh, I was mostly fishing for a way to finish this track
because I really want to finish it, but I don't know if it
is possible with just adding new instruments or melody
lines... it's a very.. vocal-ish song...


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2006-09-20 07:05 [#01974401]
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i get along with my dad quite alright. we talk like 10
minutes per two months, and sometimes i visit him and mom
and stay at their house and we talk more then..nothing
important though, just joke around and stuff. if i have
something semi important to talk about i find my mom easier
to talk to, with dad that comes down to just stripped facts.
but yeah, when we get together we usually make fun of
mum..in a non offensive way.


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-09-20 07:06 [#01974402]
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Gotta get back to class, lets talk about this later in
detail.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-09-20 07:06 [#01974403]
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i've had a strange relationship with my father in that we've
never really talked, ever. we talk - rarely - about music
and current affairs in politics, but never current affairs
of our own lives.

that's just the way it is though.

i think it's unwise and pointless to hold a grudge like
that. he's your brother's father, for god's sake. your
enemies can destroy you, your friends can leave you, but
you'll always have your family.. that's the way it's meant
to be.

i'd really reconsider things if i were your brother.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-09-20 07:12 [#01974405]
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k. cool beans.


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-09-20 07:18 [#01974408]
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My father is awesome, we drink beer and talk about synths
while listening to good 70's rock music.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-09-20 07:29 [#01974414]
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oh, right

on topic

yeah, my dad is great! we drink beers and talk about good
jazz music.. most of my jazz music (cds) are bought by him..
I suddenly get a call from him and he's at the record store
with a cd and he says "yeah, it's very good. do you want it?
I already have it, but I could buy it for you as I'm already
here."


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-09-20 07:57 [#01974432]
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Haven't seen my dad since I was 5, but it's never been a
source of sadness or regret or anything... I don't really
feel any feeling in particular towards him. Not angry at
him, but at the same time, I've had the chance to talk to
him and I declined. Just doesn't matter to me.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2006-09-20 08:10 [#01974437]
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as much i know me the much i know my daddy...
and the much i know me,the much i know all.

yo*Ophecks you will have more chances to talk with he?


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-09-20 08:14 [#01974439]
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i have a very father-son relationship with my dad, which is
great. there was a dead few years of my teens that i didnt
really appreciate him at all but im glad thats over with,
its a good feeling to respect your dad. did anyone else find
they get on so much better with him when they moved out?


 

offline _awt_ from Malmö (Sweden) on 2006-09-20 08:16 [#01974440]
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My father is a really bad person in general and has done
some bad things in the past and im not a forgiving person


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-20 11:15 [#01974508]
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My father is a complete cock. He had an affair with a slag
and went back to her even though he told us (me & my mum)
that he wanted to stop it. He now has someone new now that
my mum and him are divorced and he's rubbing my face into it
again.

Why do all the bastards have fun?


 

offline FlyAgaric from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-09-20 11:21 [#01974517]
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yes. also as both of us have gotten older we've learned to
shovel our shit aside so as to not let it get in the way of
us being civil towards each other. although it still gets a
bit smelly sometimes.


 

offline vveerrgg from life (Canada) on 2006-09-20 11:33 [#01974540]
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yeah its all about getting older and settling yer heads on
things...

time heals all wounds.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2006-09-20 11:47 [#01974556]
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My was was a mod and is a stylish, funny guy.


 

offline _gvarek_ from next to you (Poland) on 2006-09-20 11:57 [#01974563]
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my father's cool, we're buddys. very hardworking guy. we
joke a lot together and play chess. he was always there for
me and still is.


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-09-20 17:09 [#01974755]
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Very nice concept there swift-jams, it reminds me of a short
story that I wrote in high school English class or
something, before I was kicked out. It was about a
tyrannical father of three boys and their “reunion” at
his funeral when they are much older. Tempers flare
distinctly between the two oldest brothers: One sticks up
for the father while the other still carries the pain of
abuse and broken dignity. The oldest was an athlete in
school and found the good graces of his father while the
other was more of a sensitive, intellectual type that had to
protect their youngest brother from the brunt of their
father’s wrath (This was written as flashbacks). The end
is anticlimactic in that as they sit in silence around the
casket residing themselves to agree to disagree, the
sensitive brother notices that his older brother now, in the
darkness of the room, resembles their dead father in more
than a genetic way, with black rings under his eyes, a
blank, rage-filled stare, all the attributes that defined
their villian of a father...

redrum – As cliché as it sounds, it’s absolutely true,
“you’ll always have your family.” Or at least you
should. And to be perfectly honest, it has taken me a long
time to sincerely understand that. My father has done some
awful things to me and the rest of my family, but he did
what he could as a father to raise me and I love him for
that...



 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-09-20 21:17 [#01974806]
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My "dad" is more or less just a sperm donar, my mom ditched
his arse when i was 5, my step-dad Jim=bo is 10x more of a
dad to me :)


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-09-20 21:30 [#01974812]
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Thanks man. :) thanks for the inspiration. I want to do just
a soft, almost hidden guitar line, and more moving, powerful
piano, and lyrics are spoken a near whisper. Two voices,
male and female one on each side of the stereo L/R.


 

offline swift_jams from big sky on 2006-09-20 21:31 [#01974813]
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In harmony. Harmony to help show that in the end, you really
can't hate your father, because, after all, he is your
father. But it tears you apart to see hm hurt you and your
family so.


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2006-09-20 21:31 [#01974814]
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being adopted puts me in a somewhat unique position. its
been about a year since i was in contact with my real
mother, and still havent managed to get a hold of my
biological father. my mother chooses to play games with me
when i ask about my actual family. she apparently a drug
ridden alchoholic.
its unfortunate and out of my control.

as for my adopted father. its tenuous at best part of the
time.

he fell over at work and now he's getting a bunch of tests
done to see whats wrong with him. and so i get an e-mail
saying that he loves me and wants to talk to me and such. i
only think hes doing it because he thinks his end is near.

so put aside the bullshit that built into resentment - ive
decided to talk to him again. regardless of the past, he was
a major part in my life. respect still needs to be given
even if most of it was shit.

love ya dad.


 

offline Co-existence from Bergen (Norway) on 2006-09-21 02:02 [#01974847]
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Hmmm, I am a father now and one thing is for sure, I want to
be a better one for my kids than my own father were for me.
I had a similar no-talk-or-see policy regarding my father
for 3 or 4 years at my mid twenties. I never felt that he
understood me or even tried to understand me and that has
always made me feel bad.

We had one deep conversation once and that meant very much
to me. It was a new years eve and everyone else had gone to
bed except the two of us. We kept drinking and talking and
we managed to express our mutual respect for each other and
he managed to say that he was sorry for his absence during
my childhood. He worked off-shore for many years so he was
more of a stranger to us than a father, an authority-figure
that we feared more than we loved and respected. So that and
the fact that he is a naturally reserved person made it hard
for us to get along...

Things are way better between us now that I have kids of my
own. If our relationship is not exactly affectionate, I
really value his opinion and he is the first I call for
advice on practical matters like buying a car or changing
the mixing battery for the shower and such. I sense that he
feels good about that and I guess he is relieved that he can
finally be a father to me for real. It is also quite evident
that he admirers me when it comes to my own kids. I am very
affectionate with them and that's the way it should be in my
opinion...

If you have trouble with your parents you should really make
an effort to improve it because I think that in the end
you'll regret it if you don't.


 


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