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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-08-18 09:38 [#01956193]
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vinyl, in terms of sound quality, is vastly superior to mp3s.
mp3s also contribute to the "oh, I'll put it on random" ADHD culture where anyones attention span is less than 5 seconds no matter what the subject is.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-18 09:39 [#01956194]
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YOU SURE CAN,IVE JUST BOUGHT FINAL SCRATCH FOR THIS VERY REASON.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-18 09:45 [#01956199]
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also i agree with Drunken about this ADHD culture. Im far more likely to listen to an entire side of vinyl then i am to listen to the same tracks on my computer. the selection process is entirely different for me when it comes to choosing something on a physical medium to listen to. with mp3s i just think oh that track has nice bass ill stick that on for a minute whereas with CDs or Vinyl i only listen to albums that i actually enjoy the majority of.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-18 09:49 [#01956202]
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yeah these days its like a lot of people seem to be seduced by the 'quick and easy' option. the same is happening with digital cameras. its too funny - you can buy a new digi cam for about £200 (for an alright one) and it still wont beat the quality of your 30 year old Olympus film camera sat in the attic.
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ToXikFB
on 2006-08-18 10:02 [#01956213]
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im in the mood to buy some vinyl
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xf
from Australia on 2006-08-18 10:09 [#01956223]
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how you finding final scratch? it's been on my 'hmmmm' list for some time now.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-18 10:40 [#01956258]
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HAHHAHA its still in the box,i need a new laptop first-but i shall report back soon as im set up.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-08-18 11:43 [#01956277]
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i bought a couple more today :)
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-18 11:53 [#01956282]
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IM STILL BUYING AROUND 3 12"S A WEEK,ITS LIKE CRACK-VERY HARD TO STOP
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LuminousAphid
from home (United States) on 2006-08-18 11:53 [#01956283]
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if there were any vinyl records within 10 miles of here besides my dad's old styx records, i might use vinyl, but sadly in america it seems there isn't a question about the death of vinyl, it has already happened. the only places i know of that still stock vinyl are downtown, but it's all just original pressings of rock from the 60's and 70's. it's sad being a fan of electronic music in america, because no one else is.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-08-18 13:17 [#01956329]
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I think CD's (stands for compact disc) are gonna replace vinyl. You can have up to about 75 minutes of audio, so they can be used for singles and full-length albums. One of the main bonuses is that you don't have to turn the record over half way through.
I know a fella that's got "Brothers in Arms" by Dire Straits on CD, and he says the fidelity is awesome. Apparently next year's NOW 5 chart compilation is going to be issues on compact disc too.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-08-18 15:22 [#01956389]
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same goes for plasma and lcd television sets.. me and a mate were trying to find him a decent normal flat (erh.. is it called image-tube in english?) tv, but all they sell is the plasma and lcd crap which costs ten times as much and that has.. well, even the 50000,- lcd has worse images than a new 3000,- cheap-ass picture tube set
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-18 15:26 [#01956393]
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vinyl is dying,deal with it.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-08-18 16:40 [#01956416]
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I would love a midi controlled turntable. Where it memorizes the record and you could cutup and do crazy stuff with a sequencer. I think records have a cool sound that can not be done in the computer.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-08-18 16:43 [#01956419]
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I think all these new digital DJing technologies encourage too much arsing around. I like it when a DJ just drops awesome tunes with a little bit of mixing to pep it up a bit. I don't wanna hear millions of edits and bootlegs.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-08-18 21:21 [#01956462]
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how stupid... everything will die and be replaced etc. who cares. vinyl exist, let's enjoy it.
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yann_g
from now on 2006-08-18 21:29 [#01956463]
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LOL
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2006-08-18 21:53 [#01956466]
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The truth
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-08-18 22:11 [#01956479]
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you didn't like windowlicker swears?
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-19 04:00 [#01956553]
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the fact that analog is dying will never mean that digital will be better. digital is always gonna be a sampled analog signal. anyone who doesnt understand this owes it to themselves to do a tiny bit of research.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-19 04:01 [#01956556]
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oh, and when it rains i cant get a signal on my £40 a month Sky box, but Channel 5 is just fine.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-19 04:07 [#01956561]
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well yes,but using flacs on time coded vinyls is the same quality as vinyl-best of both worlds.
i have friends with 10.000 records,were the fuck are they gonna put another 10.000?
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-08-19 06:16 [#01956611]
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i just threw away all my records, they are dead
i had a bunch of afx, a bunch of autechre a lot of other stuff
its all dead
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-08-19 06:25 [#01956613]
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That's what I mean, it's already full of edits anyway, why ruin it with even more and "Push It" or "Get your Freak on" plastered over the top? Of course I'm not completely against remixes and edits, but you've gotta let the music breath a bit.
My mate does a beat perfect mash up of LFO's "Freak" and Les Rythym Digitales' "Disco to Disco" with a cheap old pair of decks and a couple of worn twelves.
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sheffieldbleep
from Sheffield (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-19 07:04 [#01956629]
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I used to have tons of arguments back in the day about vinyl vs. CD. Vinyl zelots who flame me for saying CD was better.
But as the mastering houses will tell you vinyl is a sensitive medium and certain frequencies have to be dropped before a track can be laid on it.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-08-19 07:54 [#01956639]
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vinyl, please don't die. i can't accept it.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-19 08:14 [#01956643]
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yeah thats fair enough
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-19 10:22 [#01956677]
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but you would still need to buy the vinyl to record it losslessly
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-19 10:26 [#01956679]
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not at all,you download flacs.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-19 10:28 [#01956680]
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ive just spend £1700 setting up F/S with new lappie for this very reason.
i love my vinyls and decks,but this is the way to go.
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-08-19 10:32 [#01956682]
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i don't carre if therre arre no morre vinyls... i think, i think it's time to move on now.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-19 10:48 [#01956693]
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i know i know the quality of vinyl is technically so much better... I just frankly dont give a shit, and neither does most anyone else, especially when DJing. Medium quality mp3s sound fine, and lossless formats exist too if you insist on being really fussy
And if you cant listen to a full album then thats your own fault, I manage fine.
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OK
on 2006-08-19 20:46 [#01956858]
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if it dies it will be because it's gonna be very very expensive to make. make someone will find a new material to record music in the same way?
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OK
on 2006-08-19 20:47 [#01956860]
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people at a party won't care or know if the source is a 92kbps mp3 or vynil
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OK
on 2006-08-19 20:56 [#01956864]
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All music storage technology should die.
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xf
from Australia on 2006-08-19 21:57 [#01956893]
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this all depends upon ones definition of 'death'.
is death defined when the media is no longer available, full stop, or it's only used by a very small minority versus being the more dominant format? if the latter, i'd argue that our music tastes fit into that anyway, so it's probably not really going to affect us. i don't give a shit if the top 100 isn't available on vinyl, but i do care if electronica is, and i don't see that going away anytime soon.
now, the death of cd's; that might happen.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-20 04:14 [#01956948]
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forgive me for being slow, but for example, where can i find analord flacs if there are no vinyls? i mean are there flacs on bleep or something? ive only ever seen them for untilted.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-20 04:21 [#01956951]
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i forgive you,while people are still buying vinyls,people are still ripping and sharing,even as flacs.
i hope this has been to some help.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-20 04:37 [#01956955]
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infact all my mixes are recorded on cd,meaning the vinyl quality is lost anyway.
and all the final scratch djs i know dont even use flacs they use mp3,and nobody ever notices.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-20 04:54 [#01956961]
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Records have one thing which mp3 can never replace.... The whole experience.
Going into the shop, digging through crates, finding and listening to a brilliant record.
Pay for it, put it in bag, leave shop. Go home, with the knowledge that there is an amazing record in your bag waiting to be played at full volume....
Finally get home, cut the shrinkwrap, slide it out of the shiny new sleeve.
Remove record in mint condition, notice the hermetically sealed conditions and the smell of 'newness'.
Put it on turntable, volume up, sit back, hit start, enjoy.
The knowledge that there is a brilliant record in your bag and once you get home you can play it is fantastic, it's like musical foreplay.
And finally, what looks more impressive, wall to wall record collection or mp3 playlist on a screen?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-08-20 05:02 [#01956962]
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I hate digging through crates for records.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-20 05:04 [#01956963]
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i like this thread. so just to recap-vinyl is far greater than any other format.
but the world is leaving vinyl behind and it will/and is starting to get replaced.
now come on,lets go thru it all again.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-08-20 05:29 [#01956968]
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exactly, i just need to buy a new turntable. This old one makes glitches of it's own and it gets boring after a while
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-08-20 05:54 [#01956972]
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There will always be a market for vinyl. There are still people producing music on four track casettes. Catering to ludites is far too profitable. It just will be a lot more expensive.
Everybody thought that analogue synthesizers would be killed by digital synthesizers. People are still making analogue synthesizers. They are just really expensive.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-08-20 06:15 [#01956978]
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word !
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2006-08-20 06:30 [#01956980]
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I like vinyl, but I must admit, I'd rather have to move with a few harddisks around than a 1000+ vinyl collection
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-08-20 07:20 [#01956989]
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records suck to move, i at most had 150 vinyls (12" & lp) 7"s are easy to move :)
ive down sized my records, i have 84 records + analords :)
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-20 07:39 [#01956996]
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mp3s/flacs cant exist without an original source though. and until this changes or record companies distribute releases as mp3s with no alternative then vinyls and cds wont die.
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-20 08:04 [#01957006]
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of course,but people are buying less and less vinyl,but more cd and mp3,it will still kill vinyl at some point
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xf
from Australia on 2006-08-20 10:37 [#01957071]
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yeah, exactly. there's no doubt record stores have a harder time these days, and that's something i'll severely miss if it gets to a point where the only ones around cater to more popular tastes.
most people prefer instant gratification, it seems, over pretty much everything.
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