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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-08-20 17:32 [#01957312]
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by setting yourself goals you're setting yourself up for disappointment. the promise (from the media) however, never lives up to the rose tinted expectations. and i guess it makes sense. a life based around money is always going to be empty. money itself is superficial and two-dimensional
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ecnadniarb
on 2006-08-20 17:32 [#01957313]
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That's sad. Oh well. It's only lust if that's all you are after. I had a long distance relationship with a girl that wasn't just lust. I was robbing from her as well.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-20 17:36 [#01957316]
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ha! always the gent, our Lee.
re your first point though, it's certainly not, but we're both tied to things in our respective countries, and i think we're both too logical about everything..
anyways, she wouldn't be able to live with me. i smoke too much and it hurts her lungs :/
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-20 17:40 [#01957318]
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And you rob from me. And my heroin habit bothers you.
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-21 06:48 [#01957455]
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i think you'll enjoy studying in leeds. i'm just about to enter my third year of study there, it's been great so far.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-08-21 07:15 [#01957460]
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Wise girl. I think doing part time jobs when you're in sixth form is a really good motivator to ensure you will work hard at university. I've worked some shit jobs; being a waiter, cleaning toilets, manning turnstiles at a football ground, etc. all for crap money. I'm glad I did that for pocket money as a teenager, rather than wasting the early years of proper adult life doing a job like them.
I have to disagree with what Carl says (I know he was messing about), if you do well, you always have the option of "dropping out" later. If you drop out to begin with, it's much harder to go back to the career you wanted to begin with, later in life.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-08-21 07:28 [#01957462]
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fucking students....
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-08-21 10:43 [#01957509]
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oh shut up, everything about you screams 'student'.
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 10:55 [#01957515]
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Thank you er... Jack? Did i just make that name up? By coincidence, my brother is doing his phd there too so I've been to visit the uni and the city quite a few times and really like it. What are you studying? Do you share a house, live in halls or commute?
Ceri, I've worked in the same job since I was 14 to get some money together and gain some experience for any future jobs. My pay isn't TOO bad. A lot of my colleagues get paid a lot less merely because they don't confront the management about it, even though they know it's under the minimum wage.
Yeah, I think carrying on with further education allows you to get further in life, in the majority of cases. Even if it is only just where you think you want to be and it turns out that it isn't, then you have many more opportunities to keep getting to where you think you want to be until you find where you actually do want to be!
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-08-21 10:58 [#01957519]
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i'm not a fucking student!
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 10:58 [#01957520]
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I'm not setting myself goals to earn a huge salary, all I want is to be happy in my job and to earn enough money so I don't have to struggle. I'd much rather go to uni and meet hundreds of new people and learn new things than stay in my town for the rest of my life, knowing the same people and doing the same shit, boring job which leaves me short at the end of the month.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-21 11:27 [#01957534]
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ROUND THE TWIST! hahahaha!
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-21 11:34 [#01957538]
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student! you have student hair!
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-21 11:39 [#01957542]
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you left out "ARE YOU GOING".. shame on you
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 12:35 [#01957584]
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university is a huge let-down and it won't solve any of your problems, but i'd still advise people to go cause its better than a lot of other things you could do. congs!
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-21 12:40 [#01957591]
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you're just as bad as anus
IF IT'S TRUE FOR ME THEN IT'S TRUE FOR ALL
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 12:42 [#01957595]
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Maybe it was for you but I know a huge number of people that go/have gone and about 95% of them absolutely loved it. I'm not expecting it to solve any of my problems because I don't really have any. I'm just looking forward to going and meeting new people and learning new things, as I've already said
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 14:53 [#01957650]
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sorry to be condescending and stuff, but you just sound word for word like me a few years ago. If i'd realised if would just be lots and lots of seemingly irrelevant hard work every day and nothing like as much socialising and probably not even one of the many fascinating people I was promised, I would have been happier, and plenty of other people I know too. its not awful or anything, its just not what people seem to expect.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-21 15:04 [#01957653]
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i for one have had a completely opposite experience. i live for this life. i love it and am considering post graduate studies as a result, just to postpone entering the workforce by a few more years.
why do you think just because you've not had the great time you expected that others will have the same experience?
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 15:18 [#01957654]
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mainly because ive seen lots of other have the same experience.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-08-21 15:21 [#01957655]
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University is great. My course is the easiest thing I have ever done in my life, and my loan means I don't have to work. Life is good.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-08-21 15:22 [#01957656]
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university is a very good idea little lady. It can suck from time to time but doesnt everything at one point. It is mega important to find a decent job as opposed to being stuck in some 9 to 5 hell.
you've chosen wisely
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-21 15:25 [#01957657]
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"An inductive argument that incorrectly applies principles of probability or causality can be said to commit a formal fallacy."
read and learn.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 15:32 [#01957659]
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im afraid i really really dont want to know anything about that article and I dont really understand about 5 terms in the part you quoted, but I rest assured it is philosophical bollocks and doesnt discredit my opinion
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-21 15:34 [#01957660]
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it's not philosophical, it's logic, which is what all mathematics and science (and language) is based on.
and yes, it doesn't just discredit your opinion (which you have presented as fact), it invalidates it. kapow!
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 15:43 [#01957662]
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im not sure what youre trying to do here, im not trying to argue with you I just wanted to share something Ive experienced in case it might help someone be better prepared. whether it was 'presented as fact' (which is probably some other boring article im meant to read) or not I think its obviously based on my experiences but I consider it valid enough to be mentioned, im sure you dont actually think I believe my experiences apply to everyone
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 16:41 [#01957679]
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Dan, this was a thread congratulating me for getting into university which is something I've wanted since I was little. You said sorry to be condescending, which means you're acknowledging the fact that you are being so... just stop it. We're all allowed our opinions but please let me live my life how I want and let me enjoy it. If it's not quite how I expected then fair enough, but let me discover that for myself instead of making me worry. I've had a tough couple of years full of exams and worrying, so please let me look forward to the next stage of my life
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-08-21 17:13 [#01957693]
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I never went, but if mates mates hadn't gone, I wouldn't have met loads of new friends through them.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-08-21 17:17 [#01957694]
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You know what I mean, friends of friends. I know a couple of fellas with first degrees that had an ace social life, so the two can mix. Apparently the key is to work solidly mon-fri seven or eight hours a day, then par-tay at the weekend.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-21 17:57 [#01957711]
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i really dont think i was telling you how to live your life, I just wanted to let you know how things seem to pan out from my experience but if youd rather not hear it then by all means ignore me, Im not forcing anything on you, and I apologise if I made you worry. i spent a significant portion of last night rocking back and forth watching Quizmania on ITV in a state of paranoid stupor so this may have damaged my temperament today
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-21 18:49 [#01957733]
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well, made up or not, the name fits.
i'm entering my 3rd and last year on music production at the college of music, over the otherside of leeds from the uni, but living in a shared house in burley - near hyde park.
do you get a choice of accommodation? you probably know all of this already but my advice would be to try to stay, at least reasonably, near the hyde park area (north end of leeds, between the university and headingley) as it's such a short distance to the uni, and there's a large student populace all around you.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-22 01:50 [#01957790]
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Sophie well done girl
Leeds will be awesome for you. I'm not looking forward to returning to the world of education in october, eugh, I need to stimulate my brain.
Weeell done from the city of angels!!!
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-08-22 02:52 [#01957801]
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Re the discussion between Dannn_ and SValx;
I'd say you both have valid points. There are people I know who went to university, didn't particularly enjoy it/do much socialising, have graduated and in spite of getting a good grade from a good uni, haven't ended up doing anything remotely to do with their degree, or indeed anything they enjoy/couldn't have done without a degree. They also have mountains of debt and will take forever to pay it off. There are also plenty of people I know who make more than twice what I do who don't have any a-levels, let alone a degree. I think a lot of people go to university "uneccesarily" and that for what they want to do, they'd be better off with 3 years experience under their belt.
I'd say people who see going to university as some panacea that will fix their existing problems/unhappiness and guarantee them a good job at the end of it are the ones that'll be disappointed. From the sounds of it, SValx just wants to go and study and enjoy it, which is the right attitude to have, so she's likely to have a good experience.
As to it being good for your career, like SValx says, it's not so much getting a job where you're rolling in cash, it's more getting a job that isn't soul destroyingly dull and which pays so little you don't have enough money to pay your bills, let alone have any cash to spend on things that you enjoy. Yes there are definately jobs that fit this criteria that don't require a degree, but a degree significantly ups your chances of getting one.
Me? As a result of my university education, I'm already (I'm 24) doing the job I've wanted to do since my early teens. It doesn't pay really well, but enough that I don't struggle and I certainly don't dread/hate going to work each day (which is worth a lot).
The few times I've been there I've really enjoyed Leeds; really good nightlife and I think it'd be a good place to be a student.
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-22 17:23 [#01958203]
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Yesssssssssssssssssssssss, my brain's the best. I'm trying to get a place at Leodis, I'm not sure if you know it? It's really close to both the uni and the city centre though. :) I'll let you know if I get it... if I remember.
Johnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnjohnjohnjohn! Thank you :D I feel exactly the same! Really excited about uni but the thought of studying again is well depressing :D WIll you come and visit me? Pleaseeee!kthxbai
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-22 17:51 [#01958216]
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ah, that place looks cool. i think it's just down the road from where i lived in my first year. definately a good location you've chosen there, i hope you get in without a hitch.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-08-22 17:57 [#01958218]
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I got ABB and got into Law @ QMUL :D
CS2x is even more brainy, he got AAA! :D
joy, electronic music lovers are geeky after all!
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-08-22 17:59 [#01958219]
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who'd have thought it
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-08-22 18:00 [#01958220]
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I know!
it's official, A-Levels are getting easier.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-23 11:00 [#01958581]
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whats cs2x doing now? (i beat him with an extra A! wohoo!)
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2006-08-24 06:52 [#01959086]
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he walks around Oxford Street and Kensington with a megaphone imploring people to repent their poor choices in music and listen to Richard Devine and give him the recognition "he deserves".
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2006-08-24 08:29 [#01959112]
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i care because you do
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-08-27 02:43 [#01960308]
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YEah man I'd love to visit :)
I'm in a Hong Kong internet cafe atm, its packed with HK teenage girls chatting on webcams etc, mental. I feel like Bill Murray but without a Scarlett Johannson:)
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SValx
from United Kingdom on 2006-08-27 05:20 [#01960348]
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You're LOVING it. Can't believe you start in october! I'm there on the 16th of September. I've found out where I'm living now. I'd love you to come and see me, to swap stories and pics of thailand and all that gubbins. When you home babes?x
Jack, do you know anything about Oxley? I think it's right next to Headingley. Bit of a treck from uni in rush hour but I doubt I'll have many lectures anyway.
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