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What is it about? Why are they fighting? What is the hezbollah? Would would name their kick ass terror organisation hezbollah? I seriously dont have any background information |
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hezbollah (non-government militants in south of lebanon) abduct two israeli soldiers and start launching missiles into northern israeli towns. israel uses this as an excuse to bulldoze half of lebanon, militants and civilians alike. hezbollah = party of god (extremely unimaginative) lebanon's christian and shia civilians are now backing hezbollah, according to the BBC. |
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Ok ok, sounds like the story to a new Tom Clancy book |
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haha, it does |
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Yo seriously, would you abduct your neighbors children? Would you launch beercans into your jewish neighbors garden party? |
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its fuck all to do with judaism though anymore, is it? if you are an ISRAELI you are associated with invading/bulldozing/air strikes by palestinians and other neighbours. i'm 1/4 jewish and i fucking hate israel. |
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"it's a load of fucking stupid bullshit. there's too much motherfucking pride out there. it makes me fucking sick. they obviously don't give even the slightest shit about their people. fucking big men in their fucking big chairs. just cunts they are. stupid fucking cunts." - Steven Fry (2006) |
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about israel? |
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lol no i lied, that was me |
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ha. oh yeah, stephen fry. not all that realistic for him. |
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I don't see why they don't just move Israel to somewhere less controversial. |
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you cant just ship 10 million people off thousands of miles though can you? (that seems to be iran's plan though) israel isnt going anywhere, and it shouldnt. they just need to understand the people around them, aid them where necessary and stop bulldozing their houses. |
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Nah, the genies out the bottle now. It shouldn't have been set up there in the first place, but there's no going back now. btw....Why are people taking sides? The right wing supports Israel and the left supports the Palestinians. It's not a fuckin' football match people. |
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I just realised the solution to this problem! Give them each 1 nuclear missile and see what happens |
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No Iran's plan is to nuke them in a few years |
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Israel have nukes. Iran may have them soon. |
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yay! big fireworks! |
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you can look at it with that as a start point, or with the bombing of the gaza beach and the abduction of a palestinian doctor and his brother as a start point. then, the story goes, palestinians abducted old private shalid (who i'd say is long dead by now), the israelis start bombing the shit out of the gaza strip, then hezbollah do something completely stupid by abducting two israeli soldiers and giving israel a reason to invade. they were either trying to show solidarity with the palestinians, or, more likely, trying to split the army's capabilities into a two-front war. |
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It shouldn't have been set up there in the first place, but there's no going back now. that single sentence shows your complete ineptitude at understanding politics. Yeah, sure, israel was just set up in some arbitrary place, the location didn't matter in the slightest, we all just wanted to say sorry to the jews. yeah that's what happened. |
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possibly. hezbollah probably do have links to palestinian militants and are probably on the same "side". |
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Israel think autechre rocks but Lebanon think it sucks. The war will be long... |
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there is no doubt that both of those points are absolutely, not probably, true. the lebanese suffered under israeli occupation for years.. this is why hezbollah was formed: to drive the israelis out. they've now reassumed this purpose in the wake of recent events. they also say that they were expecting the israelis to invade lebanon in the coming months; this being the reason that they're so well armed by iran/syria and also the reason why they struck "first". |
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lebanon has four groups, right? sunni, shia, christian, druze. does hezbollah [claim to] represent the sunnis, or are they just a general anti-israel thing? |
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Oh, puh-leeeze.....*winces and holds hands palms out* "Yeah, sure, israel was just set up in some arbitrary place, the location didn't matter in the slightest, we all just wanted to say sorry to the jews. yeah that's what happened." That's not what I'm saying at all. Don't try all this interwebs straw man bollocks with me. Of course I understand Israel's location in the context of their religious beliefs, and Britain backing out of the Palestine Mandate. (This is GCSE history for fuck's sake) In an ideal world, Israel's power would have been more stricly regulated from day one, but that hasn't happened and there's no easy or clear way out of this mess. |
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That's not what you said. What you said was: It shouldn't have been set up there in the first place How does "It shouldn't have been set up there in the first place" mean "Their power would have been more strictly regulated from day one"? |
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And welcome to the electronic music message board :-) |
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My point is that if the Israelis HAD to get their own way and have their nation state in that region, then at least you could have some kind of restrictions on their military capabilities and expansion by the UN. But this is all academic now, because Israel exists as an established nation. You have to start from that point rather than go back and say "if the UN did this in '48, if the UN did that..." And explaining the conflict and surrounding ideologies in the terms of some epic action movie with Israel as the baddies isn't exactly a balanced, distanced way to look at the situation. |
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the UN has been trying to make Israel act humanely and reasonably and has, on a multitude of occasions, condemned the Israelis. You're right. There's no point in looking back and saying "if the UN did this in 48, if the UN did that..", mainly because the UN did try to do things, but were prevented by the US, Israel's bully of an older brother. |
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My aunt works for united nations and she's out here for a visit, then back to the danger zones. She told me an awful lot, the stuff we're hearing in the news, and even reading on our most trusted news sites is still holding back alot. The jewish community (worldwide but mostly in america) has a surprising amount of power in the media. This war started in the 1940's, it's just escalated now. |
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excellent electronic music |
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Jewish community having control over the media... That's a bit dodgy right there.. while it might, and probably is, true, it's less provocative and less dodgy to say that the right-wing (rupert murdoch et al.) have such control.. |
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its all a big mess |
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wtf? rupert murdoch isnt jewish........ |
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the UN is a waste of time, all empty rhetoric. they have no real power. any country with an army can just shit all over them. |
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yea you can just focus on that there's a big jewish lobby in america instead of conspiracy shit which isn't even a conspiracy because well known. |
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the un is just countries working together, if one important one thinks differently, the us, it's hard to draw one line |
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Why can't everyone just be friends? |
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because its fun to blow stuff up and kill people. from a distance at least, so you dont get your hands dirty |
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im sure wiki has a comprehensive history of this, i haven't looked because i found one dutch newspaper thingy |
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Wikipedia is full of inaccuracies anyway. The only thing it's really useful for is links to better sources. |
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well the history facts are prolly right |
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u did it for GCSE? darn. we just did more fucking nazis |
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We did "The Arab-Israeli Conflict" as a module. I got a B for my coursework on it, lol. |
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patriotism is awlful. its a round world. |
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So you want a nationless New World Order, governed by the media. Ok. Cool. |
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it will all blow over........ my original prepiction of 1 month might be a bit optimistic, lets make it three, but it's apparant that UN peacekeepers will step into southern lebanon and everything will be tickityboo. No wider conflict, no direct involvement of Syria and/or Iran. |
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You really think Hizbollah will allow the UN to disarm them?! |
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no, not really, it will be ugly, but I just don't see this as being a trigger for something bigger. An equilibrium will be met. |
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i think we should all live in the sea |
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