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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-29 03:19 [#01945284]
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i have conclusive proof that apple computers are shit. where i work, we do loads of Apple admin shit. last year i had to process the forms from all across europe for some shit where apparently you get a discount if you buy MS office with a new mac. other people get to do loads of other cool apple admin. funny thing is, we do it all on PCs running windows 2000.
Apple clearly don't even trust their own software OR hardware!
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-29 03:21 [#01945287]
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there is the illusion that macs are better than pcs but it's just visual trcikery!
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-07-29 03:27 [#01945292]
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this is good news for me, i went and skinned all my windows themes and programs so they looked like a mac. and if pcs are better, i have the best of both worlds. :D
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-29 03:29 [#01945293]
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good shout!
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staz
on 2006-07-29 03:29 [#01945294]
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i think it's lame when people do that
just thought i'd tell you
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 03:32 [#01945300]
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i do have a week spot for visual trickery. apples are just way more sexy than the average pc...and in the end, that is what counts.
SEX!!!
i still think apples suck less than pc's, though. especially for personal use. i don't have experience with apples in a network, and heard more than once that's one of the big weaknesses of apples. apples just have a mind of their own, i guess.
i switched in januari and don't think i'll ever switch back.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 03:38 [#01945304]
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the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour of normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry, defragging and whatnot. a pc costs way more time than it should.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-29 03:41 [#01945307]
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i guess so.
macs have got off quite lightly with viruses, so far anyway
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-07-29 03:54 [#01945315]
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if apples were as popular as pcs they would have the same problems
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 05:10 [#01945356]
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perhaps, but they aren't. apples choses it's own nice little niche, and i'm happy for it. besides all the malware, there's also the third party junkware macs hardly have to deal with. that is probably pc's biggest problem; compatibility with all kinds of third party junk.
lets call it the law of the happy few. but hey, we have payed to keep all that vermin out.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-07-29 10:59 [#01945428]
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pcs-punk mac-yanni
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-07-29 11:08 [#01945433]
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the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour of
normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry, defragging and whatnot. a pc costs way more time than it should.
You are just not good at using computers, like a lot of mac fans who cite their stability/user friendly nature. I leave my computer on 24 hours most days, always connected to the internet. Last time I scanned for spyware on my pc, after not having done it for 3 months, I had 0 spyware. I probably still do. I do not have or use a firewall, I have the Windows XP Security service (whatever it is called) disabled. I do not own and never have used an antivirus program. I do have some registry cleaners.
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-07-29 11:09 [#01945434]
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Haha, read this one more time the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour of
normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading
drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry, defragging and whatnot.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-07-29 11:46 [#01945445]
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it's true. i spend virtually no time at all doing maintenance on my PC. I haven't had a virus in probably 6 or 7 years.
but I couldn't really say whether apple is better. my wife uses MAC for graphic design and she does have problems with it now and then. saying a MAC is crash proof is utter bull shit. but she gets a lot of solid use out of the thing.
i just feel more comfortable in the windows environment. i know my way around. i am completely lost on a MAC.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:00 [#01945449]
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yeah, i suck at the computers. that's why i have a mac :-)
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-07-29 12:06 [#01945451]
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and you suck at the infernet
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 12:10 [#01945454]
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it's really not hard at all, no.
I'm behind a router, so no software firewall. furthermore there is AVG installed, which once a day downloads an update and installs it, which all in all takes about 20 seconds.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:14 [#01945459]
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sure, but next time, push the t instead of the f.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 12:15 [#01945460]
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whaf?
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:16 [#01945461]
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exactly
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-07-29 12:20 [#01945462]
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I prefer macs
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rzezniq
from gorzow (Poland) on 2006-07-29 12:21 [#01945463]
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YaY! Don`t give this "Windows xp is a marvel" shit. I`m a mac user(got a pc as well) and yes mac`s crush (in two years my mac crashed 2 times). I use a mac becauswe it`s a perfect relaiable gig machine (old 12'' g4 1.25 Gb ram Powerbook). OS is briliant too. And what`s funny each new version works faster. Och and keep in mind - so far there is one OSX virus which asks you if it can be installed.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 13:35 [#01945488]
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good to see you didn't read any other post in this thread.
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Ranjiv
from Nor Cal (United States) on 2006-07-29 13:50 [#01945496]
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it's really not hard at all, no.
I'm behind a router, so no software firewall. furthermore there is AVG installed, which once a day downloads an update
and installs it, which all in all takes about 20 seconds.
mee too.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2006-07-29 13:52 [#01945498]
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give it time
since it's genuinely possible to run OS X on a non-Apple branded machine you will have virii popping up for the kitsch-cool computers quite soon.
i'll give an estimate of 5 years, within which time there will be a large number of virii available for the computer system.
the really funny thing behind all of this? Apple's advertising campaign (or one of them at least) boasts how immune their Macintosh system is to virii. The advertisement is in actually a way to promote the product, in an attempt to get everyone to buy it.
if everyone buys the product, and if everyone uses the product then ergo it will be far easier for a virus to propegate.
we need to learn a lesson from nature here.
variety breeds prosperity
the PC architecture is a great one. it's modular. YOU can tailor it to your needs, and in this day and age you can run i'd guess at least 10 different, quite major operating systems (including OS X if you've built your system to spec).
With Apple's system, you get what you pay for. which to be quite honest won't amount to much after 5 months of purchasing the latest model.
Apple breed their own obsolescence.
Yes one day, they may be as common as the PC most of us are sat in front of. but it shall be their downfall.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2006-07-29 14:02 [#01945501]
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lately my typing is getting worse :(
my apologies for the grammar mistakes :(
when i get ranting, i kinda lose it
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DaggerHappy
from Australia on 2006-07-30 04:53 [#01945722]
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true, but i was just looking for themes, as i think the win xp themes are fugly. and skinning all my programs is a bit exagerated. but the 'mac skin' is the best theme i could find, looks quite nice.
i prefer win 95/98 themes over xp anyday.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:03 [#01945728]
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ive got XP and i use the classic skin, with darker colours so my eyes dont ache. the three XP ones suck!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-07-30 05:23 [#01945734]
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What I think. Not that it matters, but mark my words.
Well, whats happening with macs now, trying to bring PC users into the fold by showing how similar they can be and how easily they can adapt. Its going to go both ways. More mac users are going to try out PC's too.
As the two computers become similar, and their userbase becomes the same people, more viruses will start infecting macs, etc etc etc. The big change is going to be when people who use mac find that there isn't much difference between the two now, except for a higher pricetag on the macs, and the tenancy for macs to become obsolete where a pc can be upgraded.
Mac users start to demand more moduality. Macs become upgradable. Different companies start producing pieces of stuff for macs as they become as upgradable as PCs.
By now, both computers are equally modular, and more of these suppliers demand that all parts become universal. New kind of plug and play. Ram. Motherboards. Everything works in a mac computer and a pc. To accomodate this, the OS become so compatible that they are practically the same. Mac looses money due to the fact that microsoft still has a bigger market share over all, and mac becomes a manufacturer for home computer parts that focus on multimedia applications instead of a computer manufacturers.
Microsoft tries to bring out their own version of the ipod, that does a lot more things than the ipod, but its harder to use, so microsoft looses a lot of money and stays with video games consoles and PCs.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:28 [#01945738]
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apple reying out a console? probably
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 05:54 [#01945747]
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i don't think apple will go modular. not on the short term, and not on the long term. apples will remain apples. from start to finish. apple uses it's own selected hardware (yes, the hardware can be third party) and OS. this is how it is now, and will be in the future. that's the whole idea behind apples. and therefore the marketshare of apples won't increase dramatically. perhaps a bit, now that apples run xp aswell. but it will never be as popular as the normal pc's. this is probably what oscillik meant with "Apple breed their own obsolescence", and what i see as "Apple sticking with their own niche".
That modularity is mostly useful for gamers, btw. Professional users, or people who rarely use the computers for gaming won't gain much with modularity. The same holds for the argument that after 5 months your mac would be outdated. Again, this is probably from a gamers perspective. And although accurate from that perspective, it would be pretty exaggerated from other perspectives. Apples are just no good gaming platforms. They never were, and they never will be.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:56 [#01945749]
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apple TRYING out a console? probably. i bet it will be shit.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 06:04 [#01945750]
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nevertheless shit that looks good!
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 06:05 [#01945751]
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what apple actually is rumoured to do however, is developing cellphones. think ipod nano's with which you could call.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-07-30 10:35 [#01945914]
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pink lady jazz honeycrisp cameo
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-08-02 00:36 [#01947672]
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Not a console so much as other home entertainment stuff. Apple probly didn't realize how much the ipod would take off when they started manufacturing them. They knew they would be popular, but not as much as they have become. Switching to an intel processor is very much an indication that they have realized there is more than one way to conduct business in technology. Their computers will become more accessible to other manufacturers, so they can work on focusing in other areas.
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