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offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-29 03:19 [#01945284]
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i have conclusive proof that apple computers are shit.
where i work, we do loads of Apple admin shit. last year i
had to process the forms from all across europe for some
shit where apparently you get a discount if you buy MS
office with a new mac. other people get to do loads of other
cool apple admin. funny thing is, we do it all on PCs
running windows 2000.

Apple clearly don't even trust their own software OR
hardware!



 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-07-29 03:21 [#01945287]
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there is the illusion that macs are better than pcs but it's
just visual trcikery!


 

offline DaggerHappy from Australia on 2006-07-29 03:27 [#01945292]
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this is good news for me, i went and skinned all my windows
themes and programs so they looked like a mac. and if pcs
are better, i have the best of both worlds. :D


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-07-29 03:29 [#01945293]
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good shout!


 

offline staz on 2006-07-29 03:29 [#01945294]
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i think it's lame when people do that

just thought i'd tell you


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 03:32 [#01945300]
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i do have a week spot for visual trickery. apples are just
way more sexy than the average pc...and in the end, that is
what counts.

SEX!!!

i still think apples suck less than pc's, though. especially
for personal use. i don't have experience with apples in a
network, and heard more than once that's one of the big
weaknesses of apples. apples just have a mind of their own,
i guess.
i switched in januari and don't think i'll ever switch back.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 03:38 [#01945304]
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the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour of
normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for
virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading
drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry,
defragging and whatnot. a pc costs way more time than it
should.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-29 03:41 [#01945307]
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i guess so.

macs have got off quite lightly with viruses, so far anyway


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-07-29 03:54 [#01945315]
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if apples were as popular as pcs they would have the same
problems


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 05:10 [#01945356]
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perhaps, but they aren't. apples choses it's own nice little
niche, and i'm happy for it. besides all the malware,
there's also the third party junkware macs hardly have to
deal with. that is probably pc's biggest problem;
compatibility with all kinds of third party junk.

lets call it the law of the happy few. but hey, we have
payed to keep all that vermin out.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-07-29 10:59 [#01945428]
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pcs-punk
mac-yanni


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-07-29 11:08 [#01945433]
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the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour
of
normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for
virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading
drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry,
defragging and whatnot. a pc costs way more time than it
should.


You are just not good at using computers, like a lot of mac
fans who cite their stability/user friendly nature. I leave
my computer on 24 hours most days, always connected to the
internet. Last time I scanned for spyware on my pc, after
not having done it for 3 months, I had 0 spyware. I
probably still do. I do not have or use a firewall, I have
the Windows XP Security service (whatever it is called)
disabled. I do not own and never have used an antivirus
program. I do have some registry cleaners.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-07-29 11:09 [#01945434]
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Haha, read this one more time
the worst things about normal pc's is that for every hour
of
normal usage, you have to invest an hour of scanning for
virusses/spyware/malware/etc, upgrading
drivers/virusscanners/etc, repairing the registry,
defragging and whatnot.



 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-07-29 11:46 [#01945445]
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it's true. i spend virtually no time at all doing
maintenance on my PC. I haven't had a virus in probably 6
or 7 years.

but I couldn't really say whether apple is better. my wife
uses MAC for graphic design and she does have problems with
it now and then. saying a MAC is crash proof is utter bull
shit. but she gets a lot of solid use out of the thing.

i just feel more comfortable in the windows environment. i
know my way around. i am completely lost on a MAC.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:00 [#01945449]
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yeah, i suck at the computers. that's why i have a mac :-)


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2006-07-29 12:06 [#01945451]
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and you suck at the infernet


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 12:10 [#01945454]
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it's really not hard at all, no.

I'm behind a router, so no software firewall. furthermore
there is AVG installed, which once a day downloads an update
and installs it, which all in all takes about 20 seconds.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:14 [#01945459]
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sure, but next time, push the t instead of the f.



 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 12:15 [#01945460]
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whaf?


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-29 12:16 [#01945461]
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exactly


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-07-29 12:20 [#01945462]
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I prefer macs


 

offline rzezniq from gorzow (Poland) on 2006-07-29 12:21 [#01945463]
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YaY!
Don`t give this "Windows xp is a marvel" shit. I`m a mac
user(got a pc as well) and yes mac`s crush (in two years my
mac crashed 2 times). I use a mac becauswe it`s a perfect
relaiable gig machine (old 12'' g4 1.25 Gb ram Powerbook).
OS is briliant too. And what`s funny each new version works
faster. Och and keep in mind - so far there is one OSX virus
which asks you if it can be installed.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-07-29 13:35 [#01945488]
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good to see you didn't read any other post in this thread.


 

offline Ranjiv from Nor Cal (United States) on 2006-07-29 13:50 [#01945496]
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it's really not hard at all, no.

I'm behind a router, so no software firewall. furthermore
there is AVG installed, which once a day downloads an update

and installs it, which all in all takes about 20 seconds.

mee too.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-07-29 13:52 [#01945498]
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give it time

since it's genuinely possible to run OS X on a non-Apple
branded machine you will have virii popping up for the
kitsch-cool computers quite soon.

i'll give an estimate of 5 years, within which time there
will be a large number of virii available for the computer
system.

the really funny thing behind all of this? Apple's
advertising campaign (or one of them at least) boasts how
immune their Macintosh system is to virii. The advertisement
is in actually a way to promote the product, in an attempt
to get everyone to buy it.

if everyone buys the product, and if everyone uses the
product then ergo it will be far easier for a virus to
propegate.

we need to learn a lesson from nature here.

variety breeds prosperity

the PC architecture is a great one. it's modular. YOU can
tailor it to your needs, and in this day and age you can run
i'd guess at least 10 different, quite major operating
systems (including OS X if you've built your system to
spec).

With Apple's system, you get what you pay for. which to be
quite honest won't amount to much after 5 months of
purchasing the latest model.

Apple breed their own obsolescence.

Yes one day, they may be as common as the PC most of us are
sat in front of. but it shall be their downfall.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-07-29 14:02 [#01945501]
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lately my typing is getting worse :(

my apologies for the grammar mistakes :(

when i get ranting, i kinda lose it


 

offline DaggerHappy from Australia on 2006-07-30 04:53 [#01945722]
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true, but i was just looking for themes, as i think the win
xp themes are fugly. and skinning all my programs is a bit
exagerated. but the 'mac skin' is the best theme i could
find, looks quite nice.

i prefer win 95/98 themes over xp anyday.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:03 [#01945728]
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ive got XP and i use the classic skin, with darker colours
so my eyes dont ache. the three XP ones suck!


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-07-30 05:23 [#01945734]
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What I think. Not that it matters, but mark my words.

Well, whats happening with macs now, trying to bring PC
users into the fold by showing how similar they can be and
how easily they can adapt. Its going to go both ways. More
mac users are going to try out PC's too.

As the two computers become similar, and their userbase
becomes the same people, more viruses will start infecting
macs, etc etc etc. The big change is going to be when people
who use mac find that there isn't much difference between
the two now, except for a higher pricetag on the macs, and
the tenancy for macs to become obsolete where a pc can be
upgraded.

Mac users start to demand more moduality. Macs become
upgradable. Different companies start producing pieces of
stuff for macs as they become as upgradable as PCs.

By now, both computers are equally modular, and more of
these suppliers demand that all parts become universal. New
kind of plug and play. Ram. Motherboards. Everything works
in a mac computer and a pc. To accomodate this, the OS
become so compatible that they are practically the same. Mac
looses money due to the fact that microsoft still has a
bigger market share over all, and mac becomes a manufacturer
for home computer parts that focus on multimedia
applications instead of a computer manufacturers.

Microsoft tries to bring out their own version of the ipod,
that does a lot more things than the ipod, but its harder to
use, so microsoft looses a lot of money and stays with video
games consoles and PCs.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:28 [#01945738]
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apple reying out a console? probably


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 05:54 [#01945747]
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i don't think apple will go modular. not on the short term,
and not on the long term. apples will remain apples. from
start to finish. apple uses it's own selected hardware (yes,
the hardware can be third party) and OS. this is how it is
now, and will be in the future. that's the whole idea behind
apples. and therefore the marketshare of apples won't
increase dramatically. perhaps a bit, now that apples run xp
aswell. but it will never be as popular as the normal pc's.
this is probably what oscillik meant with "Apple breed their
own obsolescence", and what i see as "Apple sticking with
their own niche".
That modularity is mostly useful for gamers, btw.
Professional users, or people who rarely use the computers
for gaming won't gain much with modularity. The same holds
for the argument that after 5 months your mac would be
outdated. Again, this is probably from a gamers perspective.
And although accurate from that perspective, it would be
pretty exaggerated from other perspectives. Apples are just
no good gaming platforms. They never were, and they never
will be.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-07-30 05:56 [#01945749]
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apple TRYING out a console? probably. i bet it will be
shit.



 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 06:04 [#01945750]
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nevertheless shit that looks good!


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-07-30 06:05 [#01945751]
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what apple actually is rumoured to do however, is developing
cellphones. think ipod nano's with which you could call.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2006-07-30 10:35 [#01945914]
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pink lady
jazz
honeycrisp
cameo



 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-08-02 00:36 [#01947672]
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Not a console so much as other home entertainment stuff.
Apple probly didn't realize how much the ipod would take off
when they started manufacturing them. They knew they would
be popular, but not as much as they have become. Switching
to an intel processor is very much an indication that they
have realized there is more than one way to conduct business
in technology. Their computers will become more accessible
to other manufacturers, so they can work on focusing in
other areas.


 


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