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do you think children are children longer because we pamper them too much? I mean.. even an adult would behave like a child if he was introduced into the world and everyone talked to him all "woogy woogy woo! where's mommy?! where's mommy?! THERE'S MOMMY haa haa haaaaha woo!" What if we, from the start, told kids about politics and science and set them up so they could see the news, etc.. of course, they wouldn't understand the language at first, but even that could be intensified. what do you think? How desireable this would be I don't know.. of course, if it worked, we could more or less have more mature kids sooner, but we could also end up with people without the ability to be critical as a result of having explicitly been told about things they are to believe before they have the chance to explore and figure out stuff on their own.. they could also, as a result of never having done this, become quite unadventurous which means human "motion" (as in progress, but not linear towards one single goal) could grind to a halt. part of the reason for this question is that I don't really know how to handle kids as kids.. I don't seem to be able to do that "woogy woogy woo!!" stuff nor do I think any of them are cute, and what I mostly end up doing is talking to them as if they were adults and most of the time it seems like they follow what I'm saying and even enjoy the conversations.. on my side it gets a bit boring, but I belive that to be more of a result of them not having had the experience and background I do meaning they don't know as much about the subjects we're discussing as I do leaving them with little to nothing to say. |
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i hate children |
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you have one or two or something? are you able to have conversations with them? |
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to much text for me sorry i am a children |
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hello do you remember the name of the guy who used to be on here who had an avatar with a guy with a helmet on? he liked esbjørn svensson trio. |
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he was swedish |
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Read "On education" by Kant. It's very useful. |
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I try to stay away from kant. |
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co existence ? |
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crimsonguard ? |
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VIKTOR! |
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This book is very easy to read, unlike most of his other texts, and deals with the way children should be educated. I think it should answer a lot of your questions. |
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I think there's alot of truth in what you're saying. I think it stems from necessity. In Roman times they had to grow up fast, get married around 12 yo and start popping out new babies since the life spans were shorter, etc, so it's clearly relative. We definitely have collective postponed adolescence, but it's not really a bad thing. I tend to dislike it when young kids act too grown up.. they have their whole lives for that and it denies them their inherent carefree, youthful joy. Similarly, I can't stand to see adults acting like children, which is more often the case. |
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oh yeah he was norwegian or how it spells great guy anyway |
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my question wasn't for kant, but for everyone else.. I've read enough from him.. I'll probably read it in the future some time anyway, though, as I study philosophy and he's one of the "greats." |
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yeah i remmeber VIKTOR THE SKATE BOARD GUY |
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I think making baby noises with children, as you mentioned in your topic, is very important.. But prolonging its use is, in my opinion, both selfish and stupid. It retards the child's development. I think you shouldn't try to talk to children about politics, music, sport, etc, as such, but instead, behave normally around them. Then, when they are inquisitive about what you're talking about, entertain their questions and explain things in simple language, but without dumbing down the facts to an extraordinarily low level. That's my 2 cents. |
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yeah, but what if your (and quite a few other peoples) attitude that children acting grown up is annoying is hindering their development in that people almost scold children for acting grown up (I don't remember the english word, but I know there is one and we have "veslevoksen" and neither word is a positive one.. why?). |
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i agree on some vision of your words. we can learn more of children that they can learn about us. mayority of adults are sacry childrens. talk with a children like if this is is silly-telling woo wooo things...telling:come on eat your dinner or the drunken mastah will come and eat You!!!!...---well this way is not working,cos this makes the fear and commodity grow in the children uh? i like have fun with kids,like show the world as it is,making games and jokes,every word and movement is important with childrens...and every children is a diferent one. got to relax a let them be,and let them make poopoo!!! huhu!!! yeah..i think childs are telepathic and many other powers..that comes off with fear and other bad habits. can i stop wrting/talking yet?..is ok..i end now.hi Hercules |
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vordhosben |
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Anyway I think that speaking to children like "woogy woogy woo! where's mommy?! where's mommy?! THERE'S MOMMY haa haa haaaaha woo!" is stupid. Why not talking to them kindly but normally ? people who act "woohy woogy" just wanna catch the kid's attention, which is bad because it leads babies to think they are superior, so they start crying and act like they were kings. |
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i am to drunk for this topic i must say |
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yeah, that would be a good thing I think, and that's what I do, but the thing is that when I act normal I always end up talking about politics or something and sometimes you get into areas where you think "oh, maybe his parents doesn't want him to know about this yet or something..?" like with murder or war and shit like that... kids mostly seem to think war machines are great fun, but I believe that is because they don't know what they can do in terms of damage, but rather what their specs are if you know what I mean.. those stealth bomber airplanes are probably awesomely cool if you're into that kind of thing, but what they do isn't... |
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before a certain age i just wasnt interested in for instance politics or history. then interest popped up. judging from that, i doubt that if you arent genuinely interesed in something that interest can be "forced upon you" from the outside. children are taught history from 5th grade on. it doesnt make many of them interested in it. |
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oh boy..you care a lot about things..got good intentions. but start to make the house by the roof... kids dont know about good or bad. they know much things that you think they dont know. dont worry,baby |
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to have kids, u have to get laid btw |
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yeah, but what if your (and quite a few other peoples) attitude that children acting grown up is annoying is hindering their development in that people almost scold children for acting grown up At first I wasn't able to picture a child being scolded for that but I can actually see what you mean, i.e. kids being scoffed at if they try to enter 'adult' conversations. I think you're right.. it's damaging if kids feel they are lesser people for trying to speak their mind and end up getting patronizing responses from adults. Conversely, I don't think that kids should necessarily be force-fed politics or what have you because that's robbing them of their childhood. No amount of human 'motion' or progress is worth that, if you ask me. Interesting point you've made.. it took me a little while to figure out what you meant in the 'almost scolding' sentence. |
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even if kids today don't necessarily know about good and bad, I think that also would be a result of us not telling them about it or even allowing them to discover it; we shield our kids from stuff like that for as long as possible for some reason... |
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yeah, but wouldn't you say the interest came with your maturing? I'm just saying maybe we could allow our kids to mature faster instead of pampering and shielding them for so long... |
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yeah, I didn't mean the scolding part too literally... and yeah, I wasn't really talking about force-feeding it to them, but rather just.. instead of just discussing.. what one discusses with kids.. toys or santa claus or stuff like that, one could just treat the kids like adults and when initiating conversation one could do it like one would with an adult on the subjects of an adult. |
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Yes, treating them as equals, or at the very least meeting them where they are. Point well made, I agree with you. |
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this might've already been addressed -- i don't have time to read the rest of the thread that's appeared since i've been away working -- but how the child should be raised is up to the parents. It's easy to talk about "normal", "happy" things with other people's kids. If you had kids and they started getting into guns, war machines, etc, since they're cool, simple pose the question to the child of the harm they do. That's what my parents did to me and I see nothing wrong with it. It encourages the growth, as opposed to the imposition, of a moral framework on the part of the child, and also encourages contemplative thought on the ills of the world and the beauty and value of life. |
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I couldn't wait to grow up fast enough. I remember I had a little suit to wear for my cousin's wedding and I wanted to wear it every day. |
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I'm not in any way suggesting that the government should somehow take charge of the children or anything like that, I'm just saying that maybe if parents didn't treat their kids like kids, they wouldn't be kids as long as they currently are! what is normal at any given time is not always what is the best. |
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cof..cof....then..if jumps from childs to kids,then i agree doctor ..but if talk about childrens 0-3/4years then brain and mind are not grow the size and take care about time/espace and of course,lenguage.-it represets the born of the mind=thinkings=fun-not fun=good/bad=prejudices. here is better to we learn about human behaviour and when child goes to kid..then the ducation is the question uh? yeah...the education... |
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I think DM has a point....you don't wanna grow up like |
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maybe this has nothing to do with this topic, but it got me thinking: this reminds of something i've been talking about with my friends. we were recalling in our life the moment when you discovered that life wasn't all play - the bubble of your personal life popped into a new world. a world filled with deception, inequality and injustice. some of us remembered the moment - others thought we were crazy. its not the loss of innocence per se, but the realization that life might be filled with more than what we were counting on. |
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What is it with people thinking childhood is some sort of lost eden? You see all kinds of terrible things on the news, in fiction, bullying at school, unfair teachers... You might not get all the details, but you understand, at least in a basic way, that life isn't all fun quite early on, as far as I can remember. |
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I agree. Childhood was 85% shit. |
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Mine was mostly okay. I was lucky that the only major problem I had was boredom. |
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thats cool - some of my friends were saying the same thing too. its quite interesting to see the variation in peoples lives. im not sure if it was an eden. ignorance is bliss? haha, sure. |
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It's like being born into prison. Up at 6am. Take shit from people all day. Eat your food and like it. Get picked on by your roommates. And lights out at 9pm. |
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You don't like me?!?!? MWAAAAAA MWA MWAAAAAAA |
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