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is a weird thing. but beautiful. do you sometimes hear this really beautiful tune, beautiful sounds, but it feels totally empty? i haven't yet figured what it is that makes me feel like that, but it happens often..like it's just made because particular sounds sound cool together..and not because artist wanted to express himself or something. sounds stupid but that's how i feel atm haha |
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you mean like squarepusher? |
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on the empty part that is.. I don't find it particularly beautiful, nor particularly good or bad, just empty. |
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doesn't sound stupid at all, I get that feeling to sometimes. like when listening to the music of people who know everything there is to know about the theoretical side of music. and yet, when you hear their music it kinda leaves you empty. because it's so perfectly made it has lost its soul. |
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actually, i don't find pushers stuff empty, no. it's getting boring, but it makes some sort of sense i guess. isniezot, you know, if you can feel that theory in their music i personally wouldn't find it boring..it wouldn't be empty. |
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not that it counts for all of the musically educated people ofcourse. but also when listening to idm like gridlock or fizzarum, or all other artist who make music that's just airy pads with heavy crunchy clickity clackity beats. it kinda pisses me of when I hear that. :D |
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i cant think of that every happening to me, but it makes sense |
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exactly..because there's nothing to it..just sounds put together..makes it sound sort of cheesy too or something. |
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well to give an better example. a guy I know (online) who knows his way around in jazz send me a tune he made. it was perfect jazz. the typical chords, the progressions, the sounds the whole shebang was there and I was very impressed when I heard it. because it was so technical but it didn't give me goosebumps or whatever. it didn't do anything for me emotionaly |
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i see..i don't know much about jazz so i don't think i could tell when something was good or bad there..jazz is a little different i suppose..unless one is very familiar with it..then they can obviously tell when it sounds empty. i get different thing out of jazz - there's very little of it that i would listen to, but if someone showed me something empty jazz wise i don't think i could tell a difference. |
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sounds like you've developed a critic's mind - you can hear how the melody is wellcrafted, or there's an interesting structure, or the sounds chosen are very tasteful or even surprising. but then it just doesn't do anything to you, it doesn't register emotionally, if you will. it's basically being able to hear the craft behind the music. |
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i can't always tell how something was done ofcourse..it can be a simple drone that i will find interesting and then a really complex structure that i will find totally empty. but i would like to hear if that happens to you..and maybe you can give an example of where it happened (if it's not going to be seu jorge example). |
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um, well, it's not music, but it still works, I think - take "The office", the comedy series. everyone is saying "SUPER!" and "GREAT!" and "BEST EVER!". and I see them and I see they are well done, they're well made, I have laughed at it but I don't really want to see them again - which is an important indication for me, do I want to see something again (or do I want to hear something again, in case of music) - in other words, own it on dvd (or cd, in case of music). in the case of "The office" - nope. funny? yes. wellcrafted? yes. funny enough for repeated viewing? no. basically I'm saying I can see why people think it's really good, but for myself, I think it's quite funny, but that's it. I'll try and think up a music one.. can you give an example of the feeling you describe happening to you (probably not about seu jorge)? |
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well, maybe the office wasn't best example, but with music i usually don't want to hear it even in its full length..it's pretty much enough to hear a song or two. if i had enough money i would buy lots and lots of cds because there are more than enough interesting ones. i think that 'surprise' factor has quite a big role in music i find interesting..hmm here are two examples of 'similar' music, and i would love if you could check them out and say which sounded (more) empty to you. i find one empty and the other quite interesting eventhough they are sort of alike or something. |
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I've been feeling that way about music lately. Some artists tend to failsafe their tracks with something that just 'works' as opposed to something inspirational and emotional. Today I listened to melodies from mars, that hit the spot. I was cured of this apathetic critique instantly. Once again aphex tops my charts. |
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well, they're both not tracks I'd listen to. but I'd say song2 is the more 'empty' one - song1 is full of IDM clichés, but at least there's a few of them, which kind of keeps things going. song2 just seems one cliché and bores my face off. |
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also the melody that drops in in song1 made me go "oh?" for a second. |
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i figured none would be much up to your taste. they're both quite dull, but i find the second one way more intriguing..there's little something misterious i fond in it so at least it evokes some sort of reaction, while the first one is just dull sound that doesn't make me feel anything. it's quite a thin line between them though heh |
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it doesn't sound mysterious to me at all, just 'wannabe mysterious'. in that respect it sounds a bit like Massive Attack, who you like. ;) |
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haha, yeah, maybe you're right there..these are both pretty bad songs, but in a certain situation - to which i would relate these two songs i would rather hear the 2nd one i suppose. massive attack is ofcourse miles better than any of this. it's pretty much simple music, but it has soul and i love that :) |
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I dunno if there's any correllation between the technical and the... spiritual. I'll listen to a lot of impeccably quilled Bach tunes and they'll go in one ear and out the other, maybe bypass my heart altogether, but there will always be a shockingly profound ''Ich ruf zu dir, Jesu Christ'' or what have you that just couldn't have existed unless he knew damn well what he was doing. I'll listen to something that was supposedly super-raw and trailblazing but it'll just bore me and sound tame, perhaps because I'm not listening to it contemporaneously... maybe the sounds don't strike me as as cool as they should, and I'm left with boring compositions and innovation that no longer sounds innovative. But then some shoddily recorded Bo Diddley rocker where he doesn't even change the fucking chord always BANGS. Can't seem to quantify if the hit/miss ratio differs between the guys that know their way around the musics and those that don't. Have trouble quantifying why this virtuosic piece blows me away and that virtuosic piece just pushes me away. Have trouble quantifying why I enjoy the bridge of a simple pop song so much and another one of a similar template is so forgettable. Stuff that exists just to sound good... hmm. There's a lot of music I listen to just because I think it sounds good, but doesn't really affect me on an emotional level. Just sounds laid out in a satisfying manner. They're not guilty pleasures. My two favorite songs ever are two of the more lightweight Beatle numbers (by that fag McCartney) about deliberately insubstantial subjects I can't relate to that say nothing to me except ''can you BELIEVE this hook/horn line/backing vocal harmony''? Just an unfairly gifted guy ''writing a swimming pool'', by his own admission. Artistic expression. By contrast, rated just a tad under these twee pop tunes are some incredibly personal (and technical) works. Valentin Silvestrov or the aforementioned Bach organ works or something. |
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Now as for the reasons stuff doesn't hook me, be it aesthetically or otherwise... who knows. There are some lauded groups that have never moved me, and I'd be hardpressed to explain why... a sacred cow I respect but never enjoyed are (The) Pixies. I dunno why, they just annoy me. Even though there's plenty of stuff I listen to that is far more cloying. I... can't... elaborate. I'm NEVER at a loss to explain why I love something, though. I always know what I like. I always know why. You say you can't figure out the logic behind your affections, or lack thereof... but who cares? BTW this post grew insanely fast. I winged it and I might have been missing what you're trying to say, but you don't seem to know what you're trying to say anyway. |
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yes, im not trying to explain here why i like something or not. more like what i find intriguing or boring i suppose. i can like or dislike intriguing but i will always dislike boring. but i know what you meant with your two posts..so all that writing you did there wasn't for nothing :) |
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Yeah trying to define what I find boring or interesting is... just impossible. I could probably write another huge post about it but I'd accomplish even less than I did there. And there'd be a lot of contradictions. Music is pretty cool though. Well worth listening to. In general. |
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haha indeed, music is great. and i don't think i could define what it is in particular..it's more of a feeling i get when i hear something completly empty i suppose. |
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