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offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 14:32 [#01923929]
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I'm really interested in getting one, anyone around here
use one? likes, dislikes?


 

offline trentee from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-20 14:43 [#01923941]
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I bought McBook Pro two weeks ago and it performed very well
until... It stopped to perform at all. It does not turn on,
it is in service right now, also watch out for temerature of
MacBooks and their annoying "sound" during work :) It is
great thoug. More info:

MB

MBP


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 14:57 [#01923962]
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yowzah, i read that the high temp is due to a blocked fan
port thats covered with a piece of plastic in the
factory...i've heard the annoying sound can be fixed too
apparently


 

offline Chin Bwoy Phat from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-20 15:27 [#01923981]
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My housemate got one a few weeks back and that broke after
about 2 weeks too...

Screen just went totally blue and you couldn't do anything
with it - didn't start up or give any error messages or
nothing. Just a blue screen. Had to take it back.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 19:13 [#01924054]
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Did he get it replaced? if so, hows the new one working out
for him?



 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-20 19:18 [#01924058]
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I'm getting one of these. Regardless. The amount of these
that are faulty is small compared to those that are working
fine.

I'm pretty stoked about the whole thing.


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-20 19:20 [#01924060]
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apple always take a while to settle into a new product. the
last powerbooks where out nearly a year before they settled,
bad screens and whatnot.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 07:27 [#01924248]
Points: 1801 Status: Lurker



Thats what i'm thinkin gl0tch...for me its a big investment,
i think i'm going for the macbook pro...and if worse comes
to worse i just pack the fucker back up and march over to
the apple store...are you getting 'applecare' or is that
just a waste of money? i don't think i'm going to get it


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 07:34 [#01924253]
Points: 1985 Status: Lurker




you get a free applecare for year....it's fucking well worth
getting the extra two tho. i bought mine a year later just
as the 1st year was nearly up. face it if your screen break
a replacement costs something stupid like £700-800 never
mind service charge. or you could buy insurance for
£200-300. laptops are one thing that are prone to getting
damage too. it's not like you plan to trip on the lead and
send your laptop scuttling on the floor.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 07:54 [#01924261]
Points: 1801 Status: Lurker



don't these have the magnetic connectors so if you trip on
it just the chord goes flying?


 

offline aphextriplet from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 07:57 [#01924263]
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The fan thing works fine as long as you rest it on a hard
flat surface (not your lap). The pro is better in that it
has an independent graphics card + slightly better spec all
round).

Nothing went wrong with mine.

The logging on sound can be stopped with 2 clicks.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 08:06 [#01924265]
Points: 1801 Status: Lurker



I think i'm going to investigate the noise problem at the
mac store see if any of their floor models make strange
noises although i doublt they'd want that to be on the
showroom floor....the independent graphics card is a nice
deal....part of the reason i want/need a pro since i work
with video all the time. Glad to hear yours works well...

i'm sure most of these issues would be cleared up by now
right? a lot of these problems seems to be with the first
machines to come out...


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 08:06 [#01924266]
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yes. mine didn't tho. a bad feeling=] never the less, i've
had mine off to applecare about 3-4 times in 2 years. it'd
cost a fortune without applecare. i'm anything but reckless
with the thing too, it's just the nature of them.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 09:50 [#01924324]
Points: 1801 Status: Lurker



hmm, that kinda sucks. i'd be pissed esp after dropping that
much cash on a laptop to have to send it in for service so
much


 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-21 11:34 [#01924365]
Points: 2708 Status: Lurker



Absolutely get Apple Care. I got it for my first Mac, which
was a G4 PB. Nearing the end of that stint, I decided I
thought my monitor was too dim. I called Apple on a
Tuesday, received a box for free shipping on Thursday,
scheduled a pick up on Friday, and had it back (from
California to Texas) on Monday.

And get this...

They took the motherboard out of the old PB and put it right
into a brand new machine. I'm sitting here typing from that
very same computer nearly 3 years later. I'd say Apple Care
was well worth it.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-06-22 00:43 [#01924704]
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don't touch Apple with a bargepole. need i remind people of
my story?


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-22 07:56 [#01924994]
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wow that sucks, i read the initial problem...was everything
taken care of? Believe me if i'm gonna drop 2000 bucks on a
computer and it starts to fuck up....believe me some poor
bastard working for apple is going to have a really bad day
believe me. I'll probably end up with a new laptop and i'll
make them give me a fully loaded 17 inch macbook pro if
thats the case


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-22 11:51 [#01925204]
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ok Oscillik i read the entire thread now.

It really sucks your new laptop didn't work right. I can
totally understand dropping 2000+ bucks on a machine that
doesn't work right...thats always a big fear of mine with
every computer i buy (only 2 PC's so far gateway &
Dell)...but you just seemed to complain about the problem,
but did you actually do anything about it other than
complain? Has the computer been fixed? whats the deal?

See, its f***kin simple. if your computer doesn't work, and
your blood is boiling to the point where you can fry an egg
on your forehead just do this... Either goto the apple
store...or get on a hotline...as much as both of those
options suck balls...Hi, i bought this computer form you for
$2300 and i had X problem Y Problem and Z problem. I
understand i didn't buy it from this store...i bought it off
line or wherever an i took excellent care once this unit was
delievered to me...i don't know if something happened during
shipping, but i want this to happen...you ship this machine
away to get fixed...if that doesn't work, i want a full
exchange...a completely new machine...or just a full refund.
if the douche behind the counter gives you shit, just call
for the manager...and just keep working your way up the
ladder...til you get that 'perfect machine'

I have to agree with other people out there on that thread,
not every machine that leaves a factory is perfect despite
whatever 'quality' control they have. Mac or PC. thats a
fact jack. Its not like every car or truck produced is
perfect either...if it runs/starts up...then its good.
Despite previous quality control now-a-days thats what we're
getting.

i'm glad you shared your story though, i'm very interested
to hear the outcome. Aside from my iPod this will be my
first apple computer, and first laptop...i'm looking forward
to hearing from others too.


 

offline lupus yonderboy from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-22 12:38 [#01925238]
Points: 1985 Status: Lurker




it's best just to read the discussion threads on the apple
site to see if there's any issues going about. Bare in mind
tho that your average mac poster has a tendency towards the
anal. ie. "my macbook has a nano scratch on the inside of
the battery casing, can i get a new macbook and sue apple?"

[awaits beavis comment]


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-06-23 01:05 [#01925650]
Points: 7746 Status: Regular | Followup to thecrimsonguard: #01925204



nah, in 2005 i had no less than 4 PowerBooks....after the
third replacement went down i demanded a refund, which i
then used to buy a brand new revision of the PowerBook 17"
G4 (at the time, was the best spec they had). got it
upgraded full whack (2GB RAM, 128MB graphics card, 5400rpm
drive etc) and that one lasted a month before it did exactly
the same as the rest.

bearing in mind the most i'd ever be doing on the machine
was running Reason rewired into Digital Performer (running
maybe 2 VSTi's along side it) i wasn't exactly "pushing the
envolope" on what the machine could do.

the whole experience has made me lose all my respect for
Apple. not to mention their business practice of late...

i suppose i have to thank them really...due to the refund i
got from the 4th PowerBook i was able to start concentrating
on buying the hardware i've always wanted. my setup now
consists of the following:

Atari 1024STe (upgraded to 4MB) running C-Lab Notator
Nord Lead 2x
Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1
Roland MC-202
Roland TB-303
Roland TR-606
Roland TR-808
Roland TR-909
Casio SK-1 (circuit bent)

at least i now know that i shall never own another Apple
computer. i refuse to even touch my girlfriend's iBook
(which by the way is also having troubles of it's own!)

anyways i hope that you do not have a bitter experience.
just be warned that's all mate :)


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-06-23 01:10 [#01925652]
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well i say "setup"....it's not all set-up at the moment
because it's mostly all at my father's house in Birmingham.

i've got a few of the things with me, like the 303, 606, 808
and 909

the rest is too bulky really (to be honest i shouldn't even
have the 808 and 909 with me...my girlfriend's parents will
go ballistic when they see those huge boxes in the room!)

so when i have my own place, then it will all be set-up,
ready to go!


 

offline whoami from Dallas/Ft. Worth (United States) on 2006-06-23 13:01 [#01926038]
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ive had my 17 inch MBP for a while and it hasnt
malfunctioned at all. it works quite nice in-fact. i did
however have some problems when i tried to install windows
as a dual partition the first time but that was due to the
faulty windows warez iso that i had dled :p. works like a
charm though never had any problems with massive overheats
either although it does get supstancially hotter when
running XP than in OS X. reading some of these things about
the MBP though have gotten me worried that some of this shit
would happen to me down the line as well but ive never had
problems with any of my macs before and dont plan on getting
any with this one. if so i do have the 3 year protection
plan on this bitch.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 20:05 [#01926704]
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...just curious. I know Mac usually keeps things hush hush,
but is there a new OS or an update to 10 on the way soon?
b/c if there is i'll just wait for it to come out


 

offline benbusch from Kansas on 2006-06-24 20:38 [#01926720]
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I don't think the next version will be out for another year
at least. OSX is still pretty advanced though.

A guy I work on music with just got a mac. They're great
machines, but if you want to make music, they're a bad
choice. He uses Ableton Live, which is cross-platform and
really great, but he can't get any of the great VSTs that I
can. Pretty much all VSTs are windows-only.

I guess you could try that with the windows-boot program
"Boot Camp" that Apple's handing out for free. If that
works well, then the MBP is the holy grail of laptops.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 20:52 [#01926741]
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yea i was asking around about that....i have a ton of VSTs i
use with fruity loops now...i was wondering if they still
worked with the mac...so i can run windows while i have OSX
running too.


 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-24 21:11 [#01926749]
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no offense, but that is bullshit. For every 2 "special" PC
VSTs, there is one amazing AudioUnit for the Mac. I'd rather
take that and avoid the "let the superduper plugin make the
music for me" route. That's not to mention Pluggo, the
never ending plugin, which was written for the Mac platform.
Yeah, there might be more general plugins for the PC, but
that is also more crap you have to weed through to find what
works for you.

Let's not forget there are AU>VST wrappers and vice versa.
On those new machines, the emulation would be insignificant
and unrecognizable.

PCs have FruityLoops, Macs have Logic and Numerology....
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

When it comes down to it, it's a matter of preference, not
availability. I've been using a Mac for music for over 4
years and would NEVER trade it for a shittier OS and a
couple of plugins.

And finally, if it was REALLY an issue, just set up the MBP
for dual OS boot capability.


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 21:18 [#01926752]
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Well i have a bunch of the arturia VSTs that i use a
lot....and can't part with...i don't care about fruity
loops...if i use it for anything its for drum/break
programing, for some reason its just better/easy for me to
use it to cut shit up...reason isn't that exact for me, or i
haven't learned how to use the sequencer to its full extent.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-06-25 00:02 [#01926795]
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The new OS, Leopard, will be out early 2007 (Q1). Roughly
the same time Vista does, probably earlier. Of course,
Apple's very secretive about it (expect more news in a month
when there's a large Apple-convention). There are rumours
that Leopard will incorporate VM-technologies, e.g. you
could run Windows applications from within OSX, without
having to restart.


 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-25 00:52 [#01926809]
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MAN, if they do that it is going to be ALL over with. Fuck.
That is the straight future of computing right there
homies!


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2006-06-25 01:53 [#01926817]
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Hello I'm a mac. And I'm a PC.


 

offline lucifer on 2006-06-25 02:49 [#01926824]
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to heat up the vs debate,

a lot of people attending my uni, really regret buying a mac
for their music making. Not necessarilly for the lack of
availability of software / wares or tweakability of the os,
but for the lack of power compared to a pc. With the
macbooks that finally seems to be sorted by apple (sure
there are quad-blah's g5's etc, but who has the bankacount
for those?)

personally I'm getting a dual core mac mini, which hopefully
also supports bootcamp, which seems like a good deal to me.



 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-25 11:59 [#01927051]
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Well let me just say this... My school has an extremely
impressive Computer Music & PsychoAcoustics program. Though
there is an emphasis on Linux, half the kids (including the
Profs) are working with G4 Power Books or newer MBP.

Never heard of power complaints.

Then again, this is all begging the question of necessity.
Some of the best shit I've heard is nearly 7-8 years old.
God only knows what they were using then. I still know
people rocking faces off with an old clam-shell. I'd hate
to see what they would do with a MBP.


 

offline trentee from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-27 16:41 [#01928438]
Points: 1081 Status: Lurker



jus called apple. battery was broken. now everything should
be ok. hopefully :)


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-27 21:43 [#01928521]
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just ordered mine today...let me tell you the seconds seem
like weeks...the minutes like months...can't f*** wait.


 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2006-06-28 01:33 [#01928556]
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let us know how this develops. Which one did you get?


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-28 06:16 [#01928639]
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15' MBP, 2.16 Ghz core, 256mb video card...and the faster
hard drive...its 100 gigs i think. I'm going to buy 2 gigs
of memory, i just need to find a reliable place to buy them
from...online or off.


 

offline trentee from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-30 16:26 [#01930198]
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so =) how is it? just got mine from service today :)


 

offline clint from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 04:14 [#01972416]
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XLTers! Help me, term is starting uni in 2 weeks and I
haven't got a computer yet.

So whats the deal with these Macbooks... obv I need a decent
word processing type thing (I can get Office I know), but
also wanna do a bit of music making. Would Ableton/Cubase
run okay on this? Remembering that this isn't a Pro?
I'm not too bothered about games.


 

offline clint from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 04:14 [#01972417]
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Or would a pc notebook for the same cost blow it out of the
water in terms of power?


 

offline mortsto-x from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-09-17 04:38 [#01972431]
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I think a MB is fine for anything except games.


 

offline Anus_Presley on 2006-09-17 04:51 [#01972432]
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man, i'd love to know wherre the fuckerrs get off selling
this shit. i've been wanting forr a long time to get a new
computerr of some sorrt, but i don't see the point anymorre.
my computerr is about 6 orr 7 yearrs old, nothing worrks on
it, it's slow, crrap now basically, but it's strress frree.
i don't get in to the rrat rrace of getting the next big mp3
playerr orr the next cool new piece of softwarre because i
can't. i don't even know anything about them anymorre, i
can't do the most basic of things, afterr about 2002 i just
stopped even trrying with them. honestly, save yourrself all
this shit. give up on computerrs.


 

offline avart from nomo' on 2006-09-17 04:53 [#01972433]
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no, but you might get a cheaper pc with the same power (but
without the 24/96 macbook soundcard and the mac os x-way if
musicmaking)

but any macusers move to intel is something to think about,
the best is probably to buy a BTO-mac at the online apple
store, all to avoid the buggy macbooks released in may (the
later the build of macbook, the greater the chance it's
actually are working...) my next mac will probably be a
macbook, I've learned a lot the last months and you don't
really get what you pay for when you buy a 17" PowerBook (as
I did). a cheaper mac is the future for me (because it will
work just as good/bad as a high end mac)


 

offline clint from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 08:54 [#01972497]
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I've been researching today. It looks like a good little
machine for me, I think.

Yeah I was planning to get a BTO one, good to know it will
avoid the old bugs touchwood.

Boot Camp looks VERY interesting as well, but I can forsee
my harddisk filling up very quickly. Maybe I will order a
larger HD.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2006-09-17 09:05 [#01972504]
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When Leopard is released in Spring I plan on buying a MacPro
with dual 3Gig Xeons, the 512 ATI card and 4gigs ram. MacOs
+ Windows via BootCamp and parallels. Best of both worlds.
:)


 

offline aslope from københavn (Denmark) on 2006-09-17 09:35 [#01972516]
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if you do music you shouldnt buy a new mac yet.. the new
macbooks are intel based and none of the old audio units
(apple's vst) will work on the new macbooks. the software
plug in industry havent developed new intel based universal
binary versions of their vsts and instruments...
btw i you buy a mac for music you have to remember that you
can't use f.loops... then you have to switch to antoher daw
like logic or protools.. and with logic you can ude NONE of
your vst plugins.. but, i use logic 7 on a powerbook g4 and
i love it.


 

offline TonyFish from the realm of our dreams on 2006-09-17 09:41 [#01972520]
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You could always use floops in windows with bootcamp


 


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