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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 14:32 [#01923929]
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I'm really interested in getting one, anyone around here use one? likes, dislikes?
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trentee
from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-20 14:43 [#01923941]
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I bought McBook Pro two weeks ago and it performed very well until... It stopped to perform at all. It does not turn on, it is in service right now, also watch out for temerature of MacBooks and their annoying "sound" during work :) It is great thoug. More info:
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 14:57 [#01923962]
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yowzah, i read that the high temp is due to a blocked fan port thats covered with a piece of plastic in the factory...i've heard the annoying sound can be fixed too apparently
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Chin Bwoy Phat
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-20 15:27 [#01923981]
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My housemate got one a few weeks back and that broke after about 2 weeks too...
Screen just went totally blue and you couldn't do anything with it - didn't start up or give any error messages or nothing. Just a blue screen. Had to take it back.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-20 19:13 [#01924054]
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Did he get it replaced? if so, hows the new one working out for him?
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-20 19:18 [#01924058]
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I'm getting one of these. Regardless. The amount of these that are faulty is small compared to those that are working fine.
I'm pretty stoked about the whole thing.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-20 19:20 [#01924060]
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apple always take a while to settle into a new product. the last powerbooks where out nearly a year before they settled, bad screens and whatnot.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 07:27 [#01924248]
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Thats what i'm thinkin gl0tch...for me its a big investment, i think i'm going for the macbook pro...and if worse comes to worse i just pack the fucker back up and march over to the apple store...are you getting 'applecare' or is that just a waste of money? i don't think i'm going to get it
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 07:34 [#01924253]
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you get a free applecare for year....it's fucking well worth getting the extra two tho. i bought mine a year later just as the 1st year was nearly up. face it if your screen break a replacement costs something stupid like £700-800 never mind service charge. or you could buy insurance for £200-300. laptops are one thing that are prone to getting damage too. it's not like you plan to trip on the lead and send your laptop scuttling on the floor.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 07:54 [#01924261]
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don't these have the magnetic connectors so if you trip on it just the chord goes flying?
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aphextriplet
from your mothers bedroom (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 07:57 [#01924263]
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The fan thing works fine as long as you rest it on a hard flat surface (not your lap). The pro is better in that it has an independent graphics card + slightly better spec all round).
Nothing went wrong with mine.
The logging on sound can be stopped with 2 clicks.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 08:06 [#01924265]
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I think i'm going to investigate the noise problem at the mac store see if any of their floor models make strange noises although i doublt they'd want that to be on the showroom floor....the independent graphics card is a nice deal....part of the reason i want/need a pro since i work with video all the time. Glad to hear yours works well...
i'm sure most of these issues would be cleared up by now right? a lot of these problems seems to be with the first machines to come out...
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-21 08:06 [#01924266]
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yes. mine didn't tho. a bad feeling=] never the less, i've had mine off to applecare about 3-4 times in 2 years. it'd cost a fortune without applecare. i'm anything but reckless with the thing too, it's just the nature of them.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-21 09:50 [#01924324]
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hmm, that kinda sucks. i'd be pissed esp after dropping that much cash on a laptop to have to send it in for service so much
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-21 11:34 [#01924365]
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Absolutely get Apple Care. I got it for my first Mac, which was a G4 PB. Nearing the end of that stint, I decided I thought my monitor was too dim. I called Apple on a Tuesday, received a box for free shipping on Thursday, scheduled a pick up on Friday, and had it back (from California to Texas) on Monday.
And get this...
They took the motherboard out of the old PB and put it right into a brand new machine. I'm sitting here typing from that very same computer nearly 3 years later. I'd say Apple Care was well worth it.
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2006-06-22 00:43 [#01924704]
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don't touch Apple with a bargepole. need i remind people of my story?
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-22 07:56 [#01924994]
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wow that sucks, i read the initial problem...was everything taken care of? Believe me if i'm gonna drop 2000 bucks on a computer and it starts to fuck up....believe me some poor bastard working for apple is going to have a really bad day believe me. I'll probably end up with a new laptop and i'll make them give me a fully loaded 17 inch macbook pro if thats the case
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-22 11:51 [#01925204]
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ok Oscillik i read the entire thread now.
It really sucks your new laptop didn't work right. I can totally understand dropping 2000+ bucks on a machine that doesn't work right...thats always a big fear of mine with every computer i buy (only 2 PC's so far gateway & Dell)...but you just seemed to complain about the problem, but did you actually do anything about it other than complain? Has the computer been fixed? whats the deal?
See, its f***kin simple. if your computer doesn't work, and your blood is boiling to the point where you can fry an egg on your forehead just do this... Either goto the apple store...or get on a hotline...as much as both of those options suck balls...Hi, i bought this computer form you for $2300 and i had X problem Y Problem and Z problem. I understand i didn't buy it from this store...i bought it off line or wherever an i took excellent care once this unit was delievered to me...i don't know if something happened during shipping, but i want this to happen...you ship this machine away to get fixed...if that doesn't work, i want a full exchange...a completely new machine...or just a full refund. if the douche behind the counter gives you shit, just call for the manager...and just keep working your way up the ladder...til you get that 'perfect machine'
I have to agree with other people out there on that thread, not every machine that leaves a factory is perfect despite whatever 'quality' control they have. Mac or PC. thats a fact jack. Its not like every car or truck produced is perfect either...if it runs/starts up...then its good. Despite previous quality control now-a-days thats what we're getting.
i'm glad you shared your story though, i'm very interested to hear the outcome. Aside from my iPod this will be my first apple computer, and first laptop...i'm looking forward to hearing from others too.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-22 12:38 [#01925238]
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it's best just to read the discussion threads on the apple site to see if there's any issues going about. Bare in mind tho that your average mac poster has a tendency towards the anal. ie. "my macbook has a nano scratch on the inside of the battery casing, can i get a new macbook and sue apple?"
[awaits beavis comment]
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2006-06-23 01:05 [#01925650]
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nah, in 2005 i had no less than 4 PowerBooks....after the third replacement went down i demanded a refund, which i then used to buy a brand new revision of the PowerBook 17" G4 (at the time, was the best spec they had). got it upgraded full whack (2GB RAM, 128MB graphics card, 5400rpm drive etc) and that one lasted a month before it did exactly the same as the rest.
bearing in mind the most i'd ever be doing on the machine was running Reason rewired into Digital Performer (running maybe 2 VSTi's along side it) i wasn't exactly "pushing the envolope" on what the machine could do.
the whole experience has made me lose all my respect for Apple. not to mention their business practice of late...
i suppose i have to thank them really...due to the refund i got from the 4th PowerBook i was able to start concentrating on buying the hardware i've always wanted. my setup now consists of the following:
Atari 1024STe (upgraded to 4MB) running C-Lab Notator Nord Lead 2x Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1 Roland MC-202 Roland TB-303 Roland TR-606 Roland TR-808 Roland TR-909 Casio SK-1 (circuit bent)
at least i now know that i shall never own another Apple computer. i refuse to even touch my girlfriend's iBook (which by the way is also having troubles of it's own!)
anyways i hope that you do not have a bitter experience. just be warned that's all mate :)
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oscillik
from the fires of orc on 2006-06-23 01:10 [#01925652]
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well i say "setup"....it's not all set-up at the moment because it's mostly all at my father's house in Birmingham.
i've got a few of the things with me, like the 303, 606, 808 and 909
the rest is too bulky really (to be honest i shouldn't even have the 808 and 909 with me...my girlfriend's parents will go ballistic when they see those huge boxes in the room!)
so when i have my own place, then it will all be set-up, ready to go!
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whoami
from Dallas/Ft. Worth (United States) on 2006-06-23 13:01 [#01926038]
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ive had my 17 inch MBP for a while and it hasnt malfunctioned at all. it works quite nice in-fact. i did however have some problems when i tried to install windows as a dual partition the first time but that was due to the faulty windows warez iso that i had dled :p. works like a charm though never had any problems with massive overheats either although it does get supstancially hotter when running XP than in OS X. reading some of these things about the MBP though have gotten me worried that some of this shit would happen to me down the line as well but ive never had problems with any of my macs before and dont plan on getting any with this one. if so i do have the 3 year protection plan on this bitch.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 20:05 [#01926704]
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...just curious. I know Mac usually keeps things hush hush, but is there a new OS or an update to 10 on the way soon? b/c if there is i'll just wait for it to come out
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benbusch
from Kansas on 2006-06-24 20:38 [#01926720]
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I don't think the next version will be out for another year at least. OSX is still pretty advanced though.
A guy I work on music with just got a mac. They're great machines, but if you want to make music, they're a bad choice. He uses Ableton Live, which is cross-platform and really great, but he can't get any of the great VSTs that I can. Pretty much all VSTs are windows-only.
I guess you could try that with the windows-boot program "Boot Camp" that Apple's handing out for free. If that works well, then the MBP is the holy grail of laptops.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 20:52 [#01926741]
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yea i was asking around about that....i have a ton of VSTs i use with fruity loops now...i was wondering if they still worked with the mac...so i can run windows while i have OSX running too.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-24 21:11 [#01926749]
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no offense, but that is bullshit. For every 2 "special" PC VSTs, there is one amazing AudioUnit for the Mac. I'd rather take that and avoid the "let the superduper plugin make the music for me" route. That's not to mention Pluggo, the never ending plugin, which was written for the Mac platform. Yeah, there might be more general plugins for the PC, but that is also more crap you have to weed through to find what works for you.
Let's not forget there are AU>VST wrappers and vice versa. On those new machines, the emulation would be insignificant and unrecognizable.
PCs have FruityLoops, Macs have Logic and Numerology.... blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
When it comes down to it, it's a matter of preference, not availability. I've been using a Mac for music for over 4 years and would NEVER trade it for a shittier OS and a couple of plugins.
And finally, if it was REALLY an issue, just set up the MBP for dual OS boot capability.
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-24 21:18 [#01926752]
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Well i have a bunch of the arturia VSTs that i use a lot....and can't part with...i don't care about fruity loops...if i use it for anything its for drum/break programing, for some reason its just better/easy for me to use it to cut shit up...reason isn't that exact for me, or i haven't learned how to use the sequencer to its full extent.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-06-25 00:02 [#01926795]
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The new OS, Leopard, will be out early 2007 (Q1). Roughly the same time Vista does, probably earlier. Of course, Apple's very secretive about it (expect more news in a month when there's a large Apple-convention). There are rumours that Leopard will incorporate VM-technologies, e.g. you could run Windows applications from within OSX, without having to restart.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-25 00:52 [#01926809]
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MAN, if they do that it is going to be ALL over with. Fuck. That is the straight future of computing right there homies!
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-06-25 01:53 [#01926817]
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Hello I'm a mac. And I'm a PC.
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lucifer
on 2006-06-25 02:49 [#01926824]
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to heat up the vs debate,
a lot of people attending my uni, really regret buying a mac for their music making. Not necessarilly for the lack of availability of software / wares or tweakability of the os, but for the lack of power compared to a pc. With the macbooks that finally seems to be sorted by apple (sure there are quad-blah's g5's etc, but who has the bankacount for those?)
personally I'm getting a dual core mac mini, which hopefully also supports bootcamp, which seems like a good deal to me.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-25 11:59 [#01927051]
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Well let me just say this... My school has an extremely impressive Computer Music & PsychoAcoustics program. Though there is an emphasis on Linux, half the kids (including the Profs) are working with G4 Power Books or newer MBP.
Never heard of power complaints.
Then again, this is all begging the question of necessity. Some of the best shit I've heard is nearly 7-8 years old. God only knows what they were using then. I still know people rocking faces off with an old clam-shell. I'd hate to see what they would do with a MBP.
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trentee
from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-27 16:41 [#01928438]
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jus called apple. battery was broken. now everything should be ok. hopefully :)
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-27 21:43 [#01928521]
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just ordered mine today...let me tell you the seconds seem like weeks...the minutes like months...can't f*** wait.
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gl0tch
from www.gl0tch.com   on 2006-06-28 01:33 [#01928556]
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let us know how this develops. Which one did you get?
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thecrimsonguard
from ∞ (United States) on 2006-06-28 06:16 [#01928639]
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15' MBP, 2.16 Ghz core, 256mb video card...and the faster hard drive...its 100 gigs i think. I'm going to buy 2 gigs of memory, i just need to find a reliable place to buy them from...online or off.
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trentee
from Berlin (Germany) on 2006-06-30 16:26 [#01930198]
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so =) how is it? just got mine from service today :)
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 04:14 [#01972416]
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XLTers! Help me, term is starting uni in 2 weeks and I haven't got a computer yet.
So whats the deal with these Macbooks... obv I need a decent word processing type thing (I can get Office I know), but also wanna do a bit of music making. Would Ableton/Cubase run okay on this? Remembering that this isn't a Pro? I'm not too bothered about games.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 04:14 [#01972417]
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Or would a pc notebook for the same cost blow it out of the water in terms of power?
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mortsto-x
from Trondheim/Bodø (Norway) on 2006-09-17 04:38 [#01972431]
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I think a MB is fine for anything except games.
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-09-17 04:51 [#01972432]
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man, i'd love to know wherre the fuckerrs get off selling this shit. i've been wanting forr a long time to get a new computerr of some sorrt, but i don't see the point anymorre. my computerr is about 6 orr 7 yearrs old, nothing worrks on it, it's slow, crrap now basically, but it's strress frree. i don't get in to the rrat rrace of getting the next big mp3 playerr orr the next cool new piece of softwarre because i can't. i don't even know anything about them anymorre, i can't do the most basic of things, afterr about 2002 i just stopped even trrying with them. honestly, save yourrself all this shit. give up on computerrs.
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avart
from nomo' on 2006-09-17 04:53 [#01972433]
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no, but you might get a cheaper pc with the same power (but without the 24/96 macbook soundcard and the mac os x-way if musicmaking)
but any macusers move to intel is something to think about, the best is probably to buy a BTO-mac at the online apple store, all to avoid the buggy macbooks released in may (the later the build of macbook, the greater the chance it's actually are working...) my next mac will probably be a macbook, I've learned a lot the last months and you don't really get what you pay for when you buy a 17" PowerBook (as I did). a cheaper mac is the future for me (because it will work just as good/bad as a high end mac)
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2006-09-17 08:54 [#01972497]
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I've been researching today. It looks like a good little machine for me, I think.
Yeah I was planning to get a BTO one, good to know it will avoid the old bugs touchwood.
Boot Camp looks VERY interesting as well, but I can forsee my harddisk filling up very quickly. Maybe I will order a larger HD.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2006-09-17 09:05 [#01972504]
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When Leopard is released in Spring I plan on buying a MacPro with dual 3Gig Xeons, the 512 ATI card and 4gigs ram. MacOs + Windows via BootCamp and parallels. Best of both worlds. :)
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aslope
from københavn (Denmark) on 2006-09-17 09:35 [#01972516]
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if you do music you shouldnt buy a new mac yet.. the new macbooks are intel based and none of the old audio units (apple's vst) will work on the new macbooks. the software plug in industry havent developed new intel based universal binary versions of their vsts and instruments...
btw i you buy a mac for music you have to remember that you can't use f.loops... then you have to switch to antoher daw like logic or protools.. and with logic you can ude NONE of your vst plugins.. but, i use logic 7 on a powerbook g4 and i love it.
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TonyFish
from the realm of our dreams on 2006-09-17 09:41 [#01972520]
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You could always use floops in windows with bootcamp
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