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offline ToXikFB on 2006-06-11 06:20 [#01917669]
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LAZY_TITLE what's this shit?

The Internet as we know it is facing a serious threat.
There's a debate heating up in Washington, DC on something
called "net neutrality" – and it's a debate that's so
important Google is asking you to get involved. We're asking
you to take action to protect Internet freedom.

In the next few days, the House of Representatives is going
to vote on a bill that would fundamentally alter the
Internet. That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote
in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big
phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what
you will be able to see and do on the Internet.

Today the Internet is an information highway where anybody
– no matter how large or small, how traditional or
unconventional – has equal access. But the phone and cable
monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the
power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and
whose content gets seen first and fastest. They want to
build a two-tiered system and block the on-ramps for those
who can't pay.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-06-11 06:26 [#01917671]
Points: 10225 Status: Lurker



aren't there some international rules against this shit? my
god. please, someone throw a nuke at the
bush-administration.

where can i join alqeauda?


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-06-11 06:38 [#01917672]
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surely this only affects the US


 

offline isnieZot from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-06-11 06:42 [#01917673]
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kinda hypocritical for google to say that since they are
working with the chinese gouvernament to censor politicaly
sensitive content.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 07:24 [#01917683]
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yeah, google are two-faced bastards

will this actually happen? if the net gets censored it would
be fucking scary.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:13 [#01917757]
Points: 14042 Status: Lurker



yes, this is very real, and very serious, and sadly I'm not
very opomistic about the outcome... corporations always seem
to win in the US.

And yes. right now its only America, but I would imagine if
it passes, and all the other internet providers around the
world see how the providers in the US are making more money,
they would be right behind them, trying to do the same.

check this site out for more details: savetheinternet.com


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:14 [#01917758]
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*optimistic


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:15 [#01917759]
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"Last night’s House vote against an amendment that would
make Net Neutrality enforceable is the result of swarming
lobbyists and a multi-million-dollar media campaign by
telephone companies that want Congress to hand them control
of the Internet.

The fight now moves to the Senate, where there is stronger
bi-partisan support for a bill — put forth by Senators
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Byron Dorgan (D-North Dakota)
— that would protect our Internet freedom from AT&T,
Verizon and BellSouth."


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 10:28 [#01917761]
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america is evil


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-06-11 10:35 [#01917762]
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yeah was talking to a friend a few days ago about this. it's
a bit shit innit..


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-06-11 10:43 [#01917770]
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i dont really see why anyone cares whether google have their
morals right


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 10:46 [#01917773]
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because google practically run the internet. most of the
worlds net users do everything through google


 

offline uzim on 2006-06-11 11:01 [#01917781]
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oh shit... this might not kill the internet, but seriously
injure it.

a law allowing internet filtration passed in france one or
two years ago. no one i know have encountered sites that
couldn't be accessed anymore because of that so far, but
just because it doesn't seem to have changed anything in
france (so far, for internet users, and as far as i know)
doesn't mean it will be the same thing in the usa.

the world seems to be regressing in a lot of domains
lately...


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 11:21 [#01917794]
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who cares
the internet is a load of shit


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-06-11 13:05 [#01917824]
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ask a ninja about it


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 13:37 [#01917831]
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they know that if they do block a site, people will find out
very quickly and there will be condemnation pouring in from
net users and groups all over the world. its enough to stop
france putting it into practise. china gets away with it cos
they just dont give a shit what other people think. same
goes for america, they would do it if they wanted to


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:17 [#02102220]
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Federal Trade Commission sides with isp's :(

LAZY_TITLE


 

offline gyroscope on 2007-07-12 17:21 [#02102225]
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i think the internet would be better if we used cats instead
of mice to power it.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:22 [#02102226]
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It's happening in Norway too these days. That's what happens
when you privatise the company that owns most of the
telecommunications lines.

"It's good for economic growth yeah. GO TEAM!"


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:24 [#02102229]
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..but here in holland there's small providers who wouldn't
charge websites. or would they have to to keep up with big
providers?


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:25 [#02102233]
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me and my pokeymans are fighting them lolcats!


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:31 [#02102235]
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Hopefully the consumers won't stay as passive as they do
with other cases like child labour, etc (what the fuck is
wrong with people these days?), and they'll change provider
to the one that doesn't make deals, but it'll probably play
out like the ones that don't make deals fall behind somehow,
like the deals could contain some kind of exclusivity,
meaning you could not access a page unless there's a deal
between your provider and the site. It's all very weird, and
it just shows how quality rarely increases with privatising
(or, if it does increase, it increases, not because it will
benefit the consumer, but because the increase somehow
benefits the company: No company is willing to do anything
without profit, so they aren't really doing stuff for your
sake, they're doing it because they think they can profit
from it. This is not an irrelevant difference).


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:43 [#02102247]
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the consumer has no idea what is happening
and will go to the big provider because they will look nice
and rightoney shiny


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:49 [#02102250]
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Not necessarily, but it's possible that they won't care
because someone convinces them "the difference isn't so big;
you still have access to other sites, but some sites will
load faster." Then people won't think about how unethical
the whole deal is because it doesn't really appear to affect
them anyway.


 

offline staz on 2007-07-12 17:54 [#02102256]
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these days?


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:58 [#02102258]
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hmyea, i hope they'll just see the practical side that small
sites will be killed eventually. it's what i care about
innitially: more sites=better, not a higher freedom of
speech idea.

i think consumers will be very upset though when something
loads slower, maybe they'll think it's the sites fault
though, like it is now, (now due to technical instead of
economical reasons)


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 18:02 [#02102261]
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what is wrong with people these days?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 18:08 [#02102264]
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I think motivation is important, and not wanting small sites
/ sites that can't pay to disappear is a good motivation,
but the main one should be that the companies that are
involved in this are conducting their business in an
unethical manner. I also wish people would react to this
with certain advertisement methods (which this basically
is).


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-13 00:23 [#02102349]
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advertisement methods?

http://www.wearetheweb.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHOn0EW8U

i think it's disgusting both parties spend millions and
lobby at the us congress

really the isps just want to screw people out of money,
because they can, that's not unethical perse but how a free
market works


 

offline big from lsg on 2007-07-13 01:01 [#02102351]
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well google promised to just sue the isps for forming trusts
when they all suddenly start charching, so maybe the market
will work, and we don't need a netneutrality law


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2007-07-13 02:51 [#02102369]
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ya know life used to be free like the internet until some
people with guns made up these imaginary rules telling you
what you can and can't do with it, much like this bill. in
other words this bill will pass because if it allows
buisness to make more money that will allow the government
to collect more taxes and in a capitalist society where
people are slaves to imaginary money since the corporations
have more they make the rules that we must follow or else be
confined by a tolitarian police state.


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2007-07-13 02:53 [#02102370]
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(cont.) which is funded and therefore ultimately controlled
by the government.


 


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