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ToXikFB
on 2006-06-11 06:20 [#01917669]
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LAZY_TITLE what's this shit?
The Internet as we know it is facing a serious threat. There's a debate heating up in Washington, DC on something called "net neutrality" – and it's a debate that's so important Google is asking you to get involved. We're asking you to take action to protect Internet freedom.
In the next few days, the House of Representatives is going to vote on a bill that would fundamentally alter the Internet. That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what you will be able to see and do on the Internet.
Today the Internet is an information highway where anybody – no matter how large or small, how traditional or unconventional – has equal access. But the phone and cable monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and whose content gets seen first and fastest. They want to build a two-tiered system and block the on-ramps for those who can't pay.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-06-11 06:26 [#01917671]
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aren't there some international rules against this shit? my god. please, someone throw a nuke at the bush-administration.
where can i join alqeauda?
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-06-11 06:38 [#01917672]
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surely this only affects the US
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2006-06-11 06:42 [#01917673]
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kinda hypocritical for google to say that since they are working with the chinese gouvernament to censor politicaly sensitive content.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 07:24 [#01917683]
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yeah, google are two-faced bastards
will this actually happen? if the net gets censored it would be fucking scary.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:13 [#01917757]
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yes, this is very real, and very serious, and sadly I'm not very opomistic about the outcome... corporations always seem to win in the US.
And yes. right now its only America, but I would imagine if it passes, and all the other internet providers around the world see how the providers in the US are making more money, they would be right behind them, trying to do the same.
check this site out for more details: savetheinternet.com
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:14 [#01917758]
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*optimistic
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-06-11 10:15 [#01917759]
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"Last night’s House vote against an amendment that would make Net Neutrality enforceable is the result of swarming lobbyists and a multi-million-dollar media campaign by telephone companies that want Congress to hand them control of the Internet.
The fight now moves to the Senate, where there is stronger bi-partisan support for a bill — put forth by Senators Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and Byron Dorgan (D-North Dakota) — that would protect our Internet freedom from AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth."
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 10:28 [#01917761]
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america is evil
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-06-11 10:35 [#01917762]
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yeah was talking to a friend a few days ago about this. it's a bit shit innit..
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-06-11 10:43 [#01917770]
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i dont really see why anyone cares whether google have their morals right
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 10:46 [#01917773]
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because google practically run the internet. most of the worlds net users do everything through google
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uzim
on 2006-06-11 11:01 [#01917781]
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oh shit... this might not kill the internet, but seriously injure it.
a law allowing internet filtration passed in france one or two years ago. no one i know have encountered sites that couldn't be accessed anymore because of that so far, but just because it doesn't seem to have changed anything in france (so far, for internet users, and as far as i know) doesn't mean it will be the same thing in the usa.
the world seems to be regressing in a lot of domains lately...
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 11:21 [#01917794]
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who cares the internet is a load of shit
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-06-11 13:05 [#01917824]
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ask a ninja about it
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-06-11 13:37 [#01917831]
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they know that if they do block a site, people will find out very quickly and there will be condemnation pouring in from net users and groups all over the world. its enough to stop france putting it into practise. china gets away with it cos they just dont give a shit what other people think. same goes for america, they would do it if they wanted to
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:17 [#02102220]
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Federal Trade Commission sides with isp's :(
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gyroscope
on 2007-07-12 17:21 [#02102225]
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i think the internet would be better if we used cats instead of mice to power it.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:22 [#02102226]
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It's happening in Norway too these days. That's what happens when you privatise the company that owns most of the telecommunications lines.
"It's good for economic growth yeah. GO TEAM!"
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:24 [#02102229]
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..but here in holland there's small providers who wouldn't charge websites. or would they have to to keep up with big providers?
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:25 [#02102233]
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me and my pokeymans are fighting them lolcats!
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:31 [#02102235]
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Hopefully the consumers won't stay as passive as they do with other cases like child labour, etc (what the fuck is wrong with people these days?), and they'll change provider to the one that doesn't make deals, but it'll probably play out like the ones that don't make deals fall behind somehow, like the deals could contain some kind of exclusivity, meaning you could not access a page unless there's a deal between your provider and the site. It's all very weird, and it just shows how quality rarely increases with privatising (or, if it does increase, it increases, not because it will benefit the consumer, but because the increase somehow benefits the company: No company is willing to do anything without profit, so they aren't really doing stuff for your sake, they're doing it because they think they can profit from it. This is not an irrelevant difference).
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:43 [#02102247]
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the consumer has no idea what is happening and will go to the big provider because they will look nice and rightoney shiny
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 17:49 [#02102250]
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Not necessarily, but it's possible that they won't care because someone convinces them "the difference isn't so big; you still have access to other sites, but some sites will load faster." Then people won't think about how unethical the whole deal is because it doesn't really appear to affect them anyway.
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staz
on 2007-07-12 17:54 [#02102256]
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these days?
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-12 17:58 [#02102258]
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hmyea, i hope they'll just see the practical side that small sites will be killed eventually. it's what i care about innitially: more sites=better, not a higher freedom of speech idea.
i think consumers will be very upset though when something loads slower, maybe they'll think it's the sites fault though, like it is now, (now due to technical instead of economical reasons)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 18:02 [#02102261]
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what is wrong with people these days?
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2007-07-12 18:08 [#02102264]
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I think motivation is important, and not wanting small sites / sites that can't pay to disappear is a good motivation, but the main one should be that the companies that are involved in this are conducting their business in an unethical manner. I also wish people would react to this with certain advertisement methods (which this basically is).
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-13 00:23 [#02102349]
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advertisement methods?
http://www.wearetheweb.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHOn0EW8U
i think it's disgusting both parties spend millions and lobby at the us congress
really the isps just want to screw people out of money, because they can, that's not unethical perse but how a free market works
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big
from lsg on 2007-07-13 01:01 [#02102351]
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well google promised to just sue the isps for forming trusts when they all suddenly start charching, so maybe the market will work, and we don't need a netneutrality law
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-07-13 02:51 [#02102369]
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ya know life used to be free like the internet until some people with guns made up these imaginary rules telling you what you can and can't do with it, much like this bill. in other words this bill will pass because if it allows buisness to make more money that will allow the government to collect more taxes and in a capitalist society where people are slaves to imaginary money since the corporations have more they make the rules that we must follow or else be confined by a tolitarian police state.
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2007-07-13 02:53 [#02102370]
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(cont.) which is funded and therefore ultimately controlled by the government.
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