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they definately made up the iraq / al-qaeda link. rumsfeld bullshitted us all |
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YOU need someone like Saddam to run a place like Ira. America is too PC to show strength. |
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If there wasn't an insurgency then there wouldn't be destruction. It'd be all happy faces and rainbows. But there is an insurgency, and we have to deal with it. The Iraqi government doesn't seem to want us to go. They know if we don't help fix things other foreign entities will come and take over. They don't want that. And no, we are not worse than terrorists. We have standards, respect for humanity. The terrorists don't. If they had their way with you it'd be your allegiance to Islam or your head. America can give a fuck about Sweden, you mean no harm to use, we mean none to you. wow, you're deluding yourself impressively there. the iraqi "government" has actually had the gall to ask the americans to get the fuck out. now. not in the near future, they want them out now. an awful lot of anti-american sentiment in the arab world is caused by the presence of american military bases in arabic states and holy cities, which is a total insult to them. "seek and ye shall receive." And the Americans have standards, as opposed to the terrorists? they have respect for humanity? hardly. Locking people up without access to a lawyer, without a charge? kidnapping people and transporting them across the world to locations where torture is legal and run-of-the-mill? get a fucking grip. you guys have completely lost the moral highground. you had the whole world's sympathies after 9-11 and now you're the most detested nation on earth. |
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you had the whole world's sympathies after 9-11 and now you're the most detested nation on earth. seconded someone said that on the telly just before the iraq war, couldnt agree more |
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and whos fault is that? |
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Having sympathy is kinda useless though. I agree the war in Iraq was wrong, but I have the feeling the rest of the world wanted us to roll over and become a weaker country and do the things they wanted us to do. Any action would have been frowned upon. |
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"but I have the feeling the rest of the world wanted us to roll over and become a weaker country and do the things they wanted us to do" most of those running other countries wanted it. but if you remember there were huge protests against it all over the world just before it started. |
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Make no mistake. many Europeans have become rich off America. The usa provides glass cieling for investment. Americans aren't the only ones reaping the benefits of American dominance. |
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usually the non capitalist are against wars mind you. which is the majority i would say. |
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the non capitalists are enjoying a level of comfort most likely without realizing they too are reaping the rewards of capitalism. Its permeated all the world. This is not an argument for the Iraq war. I have no idea where im going with this. |
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Neither do I, but you're already deep into nonsense. congratulations. |
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Next time you see a non capitalist are they wearing Nikes? Do they have a favorite coffee? Do they use a computer running either Windows or Mac? Do they own a car and do the have a preference? When they fly, do they like a certain ariline? Do they have a favorite toothpaste? Do they own an ipod? etc....etc.... |
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Politicians everywhere are the same and I bet that most of European ones are perfectly happy that someone else does the dirty job needed to sustain our level of life. The majority of societies aren't sympathetic intellectuals and they would be fucking pissed if luxury goods became less affordable. And I bet that most anti-capitalists aren't willing to pay who or three times the price if a computer comes with a guarantee that workers got all the benefits they deserved. |
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And kudos to the ones that are willing to pay more. |
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"And I bet that most anti-capitalists aren't willing to pay who or three times the price if a computer comes with a guarantee that workers got all the benefits they deserved." ..but if they weren't so cheap we'd might as well make it here and then cheap workers would have nothing at all... |
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Yep. |
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i'm an american, but i'm from seattle. |
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neither you nor bogala seem to have met or talked to real "anti-capitalists".. you're calling them "anti-capitalists" and "non-capitalists" for god's sake.. |
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Who are those real ones? The ones in Ireland? Mine deffinately preferred the prefix "anti" and liked to show off bruises from police batons. At the moment the one I was closest to settled in the USA and is very happy. |
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For me the real ones are the ones biggest in number. Real as in reality. |
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And no, we are not worse than terrorists. We have standards, respect for humanity. The terrorists don't. Guantanamo Bay. |
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that's on cuba though..far away from home. |
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I called them non capitalists cause tolstoyed called em that. I just like people to practice what they preach. I could have used the term socialist or Marxist, but I kept it non capitalist for continuity. |
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What do you preach, or what would you preach, if you were brave enough? |
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I'm preaching right now. I don't like hypocrites. |
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nobody likes hypocrites. Dare to say what you really think, it seems like you've got something good to say that'll affect things. Tell us bogala. |
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I'll take your bait. I'm not a socialist. I'm not a Marxist. I like variety. I don't believe in unionizing Macdonald's workers. I do believe in ethical treatment of workers, though. I do believe corporations should be looked after closely. I think it is abhorrent that politicians get paid off by big business. I think paying immigrants 2 dollars an hour is wrong. I'm not against out sourcing work to places that pay less as long as the wages are relative to the standard of living in that region. I believe in proper policing of global and local business as long as competition is fair and healthy. I am for ethical capitalism. |
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"ethical capitalism" sounds like an oxymoron.. |
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I guess that would lead me to be for privatization of many public services that Europe enjoys. There is a balance there, but I don't trust that my gov (usa) spends its money wisely in the first place. |
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Not really though. That's why we have laws. Granted. They get broken. Nothing is perfect. The system isn't perfect now. There is always a trade off. |
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Business has to get out of the pockets of the politicians. That's where, imho, the problems start. |
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you're building up a dangerous posting monopoly, with those last 3 consecutive posts.. |
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they need an edit button |
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and no one is stopping you form posting as many times as you want. As long as the market is there. |
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Oh and I do see caveats in America. The horizon in the usa hardly looks like the french country side or Italian countryside. Affordability, durability and quick results have there negative sides. Vynil siding for one. The lazy side of me is kinda jealous of the job for life and the nanny state style of government found in france. |
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In which state do you live bogala? |
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state of bliss. Maryland. |
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noted down purpose unknown |
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