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well.. the thing is that for me to come up with a viable alternative, I'd have to get some more specific knowledge about all the different things involved with coming up with one. however, sparking a debate can lead to someone who actually has the competence trying to figure out an alternative.. now, I'm not saying I've sparked a debate by posting on xltronic, but maybe I've sparked something that could spark a debate, and in the very least I've excercised some opinions, which always is a good thing. |
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oh, btw.. what is cctv? I have assumed it's some tv station, but I'm not really sure... |
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yes fair comment, and yes having an opinion is of course so important. i have to go to work. |
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lack of justice breeds a crime culture surely? |
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if euro community was attacked by e.g. china, would Bush help us ? and who would be the leader of european army ? |
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i think it means "closed circuit television" |
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does it turn automatically to follow action or there is a person who manipulates the camera? |
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i believe that there is someone who manipulates the camera with a little joystick. i've seen it on tv |
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not necessarily. a crime culture.. I have no idea what a crime culture would be. also what is "justice" to you? if you mean that the lack of strong legal sanctions means tha more people are criminal, then you're wrong; it isn't so that people don't do criminal things because they fear prison (like, if the took away all laws, that lil' old lady down the street would kill someone and you and I would start stealing and killing just becauese there's nothing to fear?!? come on!). |
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some of them in my town definately follow you. i reckon someone controlls them, probably in the cop shop. i fucking hate it |
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ah so it's just some sort of surveillance camera then. |
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yeah |
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..and they're run by the cops? weird. |
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I would help you! No, really, I think my country would help out. I'm sorry, I'm not as educated about things as you gentlemen are, but didn't my country help in the past, Obara? |
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it isn't so that people don't do criminal things because they fear prison i thought that you agreed that this was an aspect of it? |
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well it would have to be in special cases I don't go "oh.. yeah, I'm not going to kill that annoying danish guy in my lectures 'cause then I'll go to prison" it's more of a.. well, killing him hasn't even crossed my mind at any time. same goes for stealing.. I never consider stealing something... what I meant earlier was that in cases where a person is seriously considering something like that, he could be putting the time he'd do for doing it into the calculation, but these are somewhat special causes.. I doubt that even all people considering crime consider whether or not they'll spend time in jail... |
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Yes, like Spain. I know as a Brit my view is slightly skewed by the fact that I (and people I talk to) have primarily been to tourist areas where muggings (and hence knife crime) are most prevalent. I know not everyone in Spain carrys knives and I'm sorry if my statement came across as a bit sweeping. All I meant is that in Spain, young men (rather than just the real hardcore criminals) seem far more inclined to carry knives as a matter of course, than used to be the case in the UK. Here, as recently as 10 years ago, it was a comparative rareity for knives to be used in street crime/spur of the moment fights. We had a problem in the 50s (and again, to a lesser degree in the early-mid 60s with the mods and rockers) of youths carrying knives, but this was largely eliminated by rigidly enforced searching and comparatively harsh penalties for their posession/use. I know Spain isn't the only country with this sort of problem (I mean, Scotland is now third worst in Europe for violent crime and it's comparatively small), I was just using it as an analogy of a place, like Mexico, where knife-carrying seems more common/acceptable. I meant that we're getting nearer that stage where more people have knives on them, even if only for self defence. Of course, "self defense" soon turns out to mean "for use in any fight I might get into on a Friday night piss-up when someone bumps into me/looks at me the wrong way"... Taxidermist: Yes, that sounds very sensible. Perhaps anyone who has commited a violent crime should be banned from carrying weapon-like tools. The only possible downside that I could see is that it may mean convicts are less able to find legal employment on their release (unskilled/semi-skilled labour usually involves some sort of 'tool' that could be used as or seen to be a weapon) and hence more likely to go back to crime. |
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i just want to simplify this argument (for me more than anyone else) point 1. we have laws. firstly we have to ask, "why are there laws?" = laws are in place so that people know not to break them. laws allow society to run in a civilized manner, whilst conforming to christian morals of what's right and what is wrong. what happens if a law is broken? = you are punished. some say that punishment is a form of revenge. the idea of punishment is that people learn from their lessons. with life sentences there is still the idea of "an eye for an eye". the severity of the law broken is weighed against the punishment. like i said before, it doesn't give much chance of reform as 1. prison (as an environment) is unhealthy for the reforming mind. 2. i believe criminals should be treated in the way that "mentally damaged" individuals are... as i believe it's more logical to correct the problem rather than scribbling all over it. and finally. why do people break laws, and what can be done to prevent it? = it's a really mixed bag. i believe that education is a definite course of action. i think short term solutions would all be seen to be "unethical". like my ideas of changing the public image of our legal system. there's a conflict in my head with the idea of scaring people out of commiting crime. if there was a death penalty it wouldn't personally affect me as i have no criminal intentions. drunken mastah made the point about the old lady beating someone up. i agree that she wouldn't change because of the law, unless she had criminal intentions. i think people with criminal intentions are less likely to commit crime if they fear the consequences. |
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Your username, in the context of this thread, conjurs up visions of a 50s teddy boy brandishing a cut-throat razor in a menacing way. :D |
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i'm currently wearing a hat that would support that vision |
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thanks ! yes. it did. |
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