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offline magicant from Canada on 2006-05-10 00:00 [#01895924]
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The phrases listed in the “luck” article in The
Canadian Oxford Dictionary contradict the first two
definitions cited in the very same article. The phrases’
use of the word “luck” are consistent only with the
third definition: “good fortune; success due to
chance.”

So we must make a choice. Is luck the equivalent of
“chance regarded as the bringer of good or bad fortune”
and “circumstances of life (beneficial or not) brought by
this”? Or is luck only good fortune? If we choose the
former, which I am tempted to do, then we must regard all
the phrases containing the word “luck” as erroneus. We
can reasonably assume that the phrases were coined by people
who favoured good fortune, and thus, optimistically (and
foolishly) decided to ignore the darker side of the
definition of “luck.”

I think we should blame these optimists for the concept of
luck still being entertained today. If luck was only the
first two definitions, the word would be unnecessary. Good
fortune would be good fortune, bad fortune would be bad
fortune; circumstances of life would either be helpful to
particular individuals, or detrimental. People would not be
“lucky,” just fortunate.

“Fortunate” is already a subjective term; “lucky” is
just as subjective, and even more vague and meaningless.
When one perceives luck, he becomes isolated in his or her
own perception. At least if he considered himself fortunate,
they could rationalize what circumstances brought them their
fortune. If he considers himself lucky, he ignores
rationality.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-05-10 00:03 [#01895925]
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luck as superstition merged with probability?


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-05-10 00:06 [#01895929]
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absolutely, all effects are the product of causes. so the
concept of luck accounts for the unseen causes, just as the
concept of a subconscious accounts for unexplained mental
content.


 

offline magicant from Canada on 2006-05-10 00:09 [#01895930]
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There is no factor of probability. Probability is rational;
luck is irrational.


 

offline magicant from Canada on 2006-05-10 00:11 [#01895931]
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Phrases like "with any luck" or "out of luck" suggest that
it is not a matter of accounting for the unseen causes, but
a matter of sitting in a room with your fingers crossed
hoping for good fortune.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-05-10 00:13 [#01895932]
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so when a person improbably experiences a favourable
outcome, they often attribute that to good luck.


 

offline magicant from Canada on 2006-05-10 00:18 [#01895933]
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Not good luck. Just luck. They'll say "I'm lucky." So when
they say lucky, what are they talking about? Good fortune
for them. Therefore, good fortune = luck. But luck = good or
bad fortune.

This is my problem. The word luck is a big mess and it
should be eliminated from our language. The concept is
faulty too. People shouldn't think in terms of luck. They
should pay attention to circumstances.


 

offline rockenjohnny from champagne socialism (Australia) on 2006-05-10 00:25 [#01895935]
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i know what youre saying. i guess like most english words it
has about a dozen meanings and uses.


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2006-05-10 01:48 [#01895952]
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luck is the son of Vader


 

offline magicant from Canada on 2006-05-11 16:20 [#01897142]
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God bless Canada


 


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