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offline DaggerHappy from Australia on 2006-03-25 21:45 [#01867348]
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Are the classical aspects of the music samples, or Aarons
own work?

In the booklet it doesn't say anything about an orchestra or
samples.

If they are samples does anyone know the originals?

Also, if a modern composer plays something from a classical
era, are you allowed to sample those recordings?


 

offline nacmat on 2006-03-25 22:30 [#01867356]
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many of them are samples, some others are his own music


 

offline Gwely Mernans from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2006-03-25 22:41 [#01867358]
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you can hear the original szamar madar track in the new
frankenstein movie. but don't rent it if you're curious
about that, cause the movie sucks and it's a waste of money.


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-26 03:17 [#01867390]
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if a modern composer plays something from a classical
era, are you allowed to sample those recordings?

does anyone know the answer to this one right here?


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2006-03-26 03:22 [#01867393]
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uuu.... sampling was discussed a lot before - try the
"search" function.

i think someone said before that when an album is released
in less then 1500 pieces or so, you can sample whatever you
want.

i may be wrong though.


 

offline E-man from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2006-03-26 03:49 [#01867400]
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lol that's just because it would probably pass unnoticed due
to the limited pressing, plus it's probably a label who
hasn't got money to do a lawsuit :)
it's not "legal"


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-26 03:55 [#01867401]
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ah, you talking about that um... that program that renders
the sound as an image and back into sound live?


 

offline Combo from Sex on 2006-03-26 03:59 [#01867403]
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ahahah yeah most probably


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-26 04:01 [#01867404]
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if you're wishing to use a sample from a modern recording of
(let's say) a beethoven piece, then there are no copyright
issues for the actual music, however the physical recording
is owned by it's creator (the producer).


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-26 04:01 [#01867405]
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that was for pigster


 

offline nacmat on 2006-03-26 04:29 [#01867413]
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but who has the rights of mozart´s music?


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-26 05:22 [#01867423]
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however the physical recording
is owned by it's creator (the producer).

so wouldnt that mean you cant sample it? or you still
can?...


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-26 05:23 [#01867424]
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oh wait, thatd probaly mean you're still allowed to sample
it... if its real classical.


 

online big from lsg on 2006-03-26 06:22 [#01867438]
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didn't aaron sample bartok (and himself playing)


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-03-26 07:00 [#01867462]
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in an interview he said he had learned a little bit how to
play an electric violin.

and I don't imagine anyone owns mozart's music anymore but
whoever produced the recording still has copyrights on it so
you can't sample without permission. but im sure its easy to
find someone who will let you.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2006-03-26 12:50 [#01867636]
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One track is mainly Bartok, I don't recognize the rest.
Plus stupid beats. A lot of these songs are so bad.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-03-26 15:00 [#01867682]
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there is a certain time limit for copyright. I don't know
exactly off the top of my head, but its something like, "the
life of the composer, plus 70 years" or something. so mozart
is no longer under copyright, but is now in the public
domain.

this means anyone can play, or record, or publish his music,
without having to pay anyone. its in the public domain,
which mean it belongs to everyone.

now, a modern orchestra, can perform, and record a mozart
piece, without having to pay anyone. if you sample this
recording, you are not breaking copyright of the composer,
but you are breaking copyright of the sound recording.
(there are different types of copyright... there is the
copyright of the composition, and a copyrigh of the
recording). so, it would be illegal to sample a modern
orchestra's recording of a mozart piece.

the reason its kind of easy to get away with though, is
there are hundreds and hundreds of recordings of the same
mozart pieces, by different orchestras. Since its not a
matter of compositional copyright (for example, you hear a
song that has a sample from a beatles record, you know its
breaking compositional copyright, because you know its a
recent song; some of the beatles are still alive, and even
considering the dead ones, it hasnt been 70 (roughly) years,
since his death, so you know its copyrighted.) (btw, michael
jackson bought almost all of the rights to the beatles
cataloge... so when someone pays royalties for a beatles
song, it goes to M Jackson). Anyways, since there are many
many recordings of the same pieces by mozart, its much
harder to prove who's recording copyright you are breaking.
unless the recording was watermarked (a way of putting kind
of an inaudible "stamp" in a recording, to prove its yours)
then it would be extremely hard to prove which recording you
sampled (unless it was a unique rendition of the piece, that
was blatently different).

so yeah.

make sense?


 

offline Dannn_ from United Kingdom on 2006-03-26 15:35 [#01867689]
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i thought jackson sold most of his beatles rights


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-03-26 16:04 [#01867695]
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really? I hadn't heard anything about that...

to google!


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-03-26 16:08 [#01867696]
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well, it seems he did sell some... and I was wrong.. it
wasn't copyright, it was publishing rights (oops!)


 

offline i_x_ten from arsemuncher on 2006-03-26 16:44 [#01867715]
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disney ate all the copyright pie


 

online big from lsg on 2006-03-26 17:00 [#01867721]
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i understand that's track 2? i don't like that


 

online big from lsg on 2006-03-26 17:04 [#01867724]
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*puts on salt


 

online big from lsg on 2006-03-26 17:16 [#01867731]
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nifty, this track on shiver in eternal darkness features the
star wars choir


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-26 22:12 [#01867771]
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the reason its kind of easy to get away with though, is
there are hundreds and hundreds of recordings of the same
mozart pieces, by different orchestras.

haha. thumbs up


 

offline futureimage from buy FIR from Juno (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-26 23:14 [#01867781]
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I love this album! Is something wrong with me?


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-03-27 01:22 [#01867789]
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nothing wrong with loving a great album.
and besides, different people have different opinions...


 


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