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offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:11 [#01851256]
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Aengus, tell me, what does "nigga" mean? I always wondered.
Actually, there would be a couple of english words I was
planning to ask you thier meaning, but at moment I can't
remember.

P.s. Don't stop posting english lessons - I love reading
your posts now.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-02 07:17 [#01851260]
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It doesn't mean anything at all!

It's just what's called a random "interjection". It's like
"oh" or "bleh!", but more useful. It can be used at any
occasion, to express happyness, sadness, despair, any sort
of emotion.

Despite its spelling on the internet, you should always be
sure to pronounce it with a strong "er" sound at the end in
real life, perhaps accompanied with a vigorous pointing
gesture.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-02 07:18 [#01851261]
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wow, are you an english teacher?!

my native [i.e. crap] knowledge of english tells me that the
infinitive and the present participle of any verb have the
exact same meaning (e.g. "to make" and "making") but they
are used in slightly different contexts


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-02 07:18 [#01851262]
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wikipedia says exactly the same thing

honest

:S


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-02 07:21 [#01851264]
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i was sure it came from "negro" though, but wikipedia is
always right!


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-02 07:23 [#01851266]
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I'm not, no, i'm a linguistics student.. And yeah, they
should be used in different contexts (as i said in the first
post, "she likes to make cakes" is grammatically fine, but
just sounds a little weird.. somehow, for me at least, it'd
sound better if it had something after it, ie, "she likes to
make cakes even when it's raining")

i'm by no means saying that the present participle and
infinitive of any verb are interchangable in any context,
eg:

she would like to make a cake.
*she would like making a cake.


however, they are in some contexts.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:30 [#01851270]
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Oh thanks!

In fact I saw people pronouncing it as "Nigga what!" or
something.

Another thing, I realized my english is improving a lot
really, I remember when I used to read threads like a year
go, I understood about 20% of yours words. I noticed also I
understand better non-native speakers's posts, seems like
they use an easier english, for example I comprise fully
uzim's posts. Instead inside your sentences there is always
(nearly) some words I don't understand.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-02 07:34 [#01851271]
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Yeah, I tend to use fairly flowery language.. I can't help
it. I do try to dumb things down when I'm speaking to you or
someone else on the board with poor english, but I usually
switch back into my usual style of writing.

also, you just wrote "i comprise fully" - you meant "i
comprehend fully". to comprehend is to understand. to
comprise is to contain.. it's usually used in the passive
sense, however, to mean "to be composed of" -

the entire structure is comprised of nothing but
paper



 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:40 [#01851282]
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I do try to dumb things down when I'm speaking to you or

someone else on the board with poor english


Oh please, don't do that anymore, at least with me! :|

About "comprehend", cheers. It was my fault because I
translated the word "comprendere" from italian to english
with that fucking babelfish, and it gave me "comprise"
instead of
"comprehend".



 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 07:46 [#01851287]
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What you say should
be true, but it's not really the case.


........... yeah, i tend to realise modern english
is more and more different to grammar books. that's what i
explain the people i give private lessons to.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-02 07:48 [#01851289]
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yeah, it's the case with any language really, you just gotta
live in a country where that language is spoken to learn the
"actual" language.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:49 [#01851290]
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Are you good to talk english as well? I'm not yet.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 07:50 [#01851292]
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how do you learn english ? i mean where, how often etc.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:51 [#01851293]
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That's what I'm planning to do. Next year I should be able
to organize a trip with my friends in London, I think I need
to stay there for the whole summer. Can't wait.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 07:55 [#01851294]
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I learnt most of my english on Xltronic, and I'm not joking.
Well yes, I take english lessons at school as well, but they
aren't useful at all!


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:01 [#01851295]
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some native speakers i talk to on internet tell me they
understand me/my english is alright - so maybe i am, quite
good, but i can't tell it myself. it's different, talking on
msn and talking in real-life situations. you can say "i'm
improved" but others could judge your progress only in 3D -
at Xltronicon perhaps ;]


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-02 08:01 [#01851296]
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ha, its wierd that english has pretty much become the
language of the internet.
its a bit of a shame really, if it wasnt it might be an
incentive to learn more languages (in england barely anyone
speaks any other languages)


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:04 [#01851297]
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try talking english to someone in your neighbourhood - or to
your girlfriend. it helps a lot.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-03-02 08:04 [#01851298]
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i'm losing my english language skills, especially spoken
english


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-02 08:09 [#01851305]
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toutes les personnes ici - parlez en francais !!


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:14 [#01851307]
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i sometimes feel the same when talking to my "private
students" in english.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 08:14 [#01851308]
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Totally true, I had a chat with Aengus on GoogleTalk and I
the first thing I thought was that he spoke too fast - So I
couldn't comprehend everything he was saying to me. Writing
english and talking english is completely different as well,
I need time to make posts without doing too many mistakes.

About the "I'm improved" thing, I didn't mean I'm a perfect
english speaker, but at least I can communicate with people
without too many problems, like you might have noticed :)
Well, I couldn't do that just joined here, and that's why
I'm saying I'm improved.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 08:15 [#01851310]
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I'm glad it is man, because I really like the language.


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-02 08:17 [#01851311]
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really? i got the impression that loads of people hated it ,
because its got so many irregular verbs and wierd dodgy
spelling patterns etc. Not even native speakers get the
spelling and grammar right even when they try!


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 08:23 [#01851312]
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To be honest I haven't tried to learn other languages yet,
so I can't make conclusions. Though, I second the fact the
english has got many irregular verbs to learn.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:23 [#01851313]
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yeah...and also try to watch a documentary in english, that
is not meant for international audience - they speak
faster...well, anyway if you watch any uk film you get what
i mean. you can't get through e.g. "trainspotting" without
subtitles. i suppose many natives can't either ;]


 

offline somejerk from south florida, US (United States) on 2006-03-02 08:25 [#01851315]
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whats up man! shit is going good! weekends almost here, new
job on monday, nice buds at home.

hope everyone is having a good life.


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:27 [#01851316]
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wazzup, man ! yo, cool.

feeling good again after last night, might have a drink
tonight again, why not.


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-03-02 08:29 [#01851320]
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i have too little practice - only when foreign guests visit
us, they stay at my flat in most of cases, but usually they
are not native speakers. Yesterday they were from Sweden,
they didn't speak very well, but this even helped
understaning, while a week ago two folks from Wales spoke so
fucking fast and fluent and fuzzy that I could understand
about 40% of the whole.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-03-02 08:29 [#01851321]
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I will try and do that. For now I could start to watch all
the Aphex interviews on mtv I've got in my hard drive :>


 

offline obara from Utrecht on 2006-03-02 08:34 [#01851323]
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hahah, that's what i'm talking about - those natives.....

from Sweden ?? Phobs visited you ?? :O

tridenti: good luck


 

offline Matvey from Kiev (Ukraine) on 2006-03-02 08:36 [#01851324]
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nah.. Phobs didn't pass by yet.


 


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