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epohs
from )C: on 2006-01-26 10:57 [#01827792]
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Yes, honestly it is deeply disturbing.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 10:58 [#01827794]
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though I am already betrothed to Phobiazero with his manly TNT cologne, I would have you as my lover. <3
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mrgypsum
on 2006-01-26 11:00 [#01827795]
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i would feel that same as you if i saw that anywhere near my neck of the us of a, good thing for the internet and drugs huh? i can now be distracted from things such as this
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afxNUMB
from So.Flo on 2006-01-26 11:00 [#01827797]
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Yeah thats nuts.... But being straight forward about religion is everywhere... "In God We Trust"
And about the marry comment... good one that made me laugh. For that I would say im a crazy athiest who loves S&M, but I'm not I believe in God. Would say I'm a Protestant, but I rather just say I'm a child of God and believe. :) taaadaaa
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-26 11:03 [#01827800]
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The ridiculing is aimed not to convince anyone but to maintain our sanity. I don't think you can argue people out of believing in literalist fundamentalist religion. They'll either find it themselves or they won't. Still, it doesn't hurt to do some mocking that contains a core of truth, direct people to skeptical essays and websites, and so on, for those who are coming to their senses.
And no one's trying to ban the teaching of creationism - what, are we going to start burning down churches? We'll leave that to the Norwegians. :-) We just don't want it taught in school on the public dime, and certainly not to the exclusion of more reality-based theories. :D If you're a nutjob who wants to screw up your kid's education you can home-school or send him to a religious school.
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-01-26 11:03 [#01827801]
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yep. i just try not to drive that way, and talk to people on the internets until i forget about it.
:)
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-01-26 11:05 [#01827802]
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"If you're a nutjob who wants to screw up your kid's education you can home-school or send him to a religious school. "
haha, i would LOL, but my bosses would hear and i'd be excommunicated from the company.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2006-01-26 11:08 [#01827803]
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I was going to stop in to post my religion when I see there are many people discussing my multi-appendaged diety, the flying spagetti monster. I assure you he is real and not a made up story! As a fifth generation Italian immigrant to the Americas I have seen with my own eyes the proofs that He is without a doubt the one true God. All of my relatives take great joy in cooking a meal that resembles him. This predates many generations back to the old country in which my great great great grandfathers nana prepared legendary spagetti dishes that tasted so good that it could only be explained as a miracle bestowed by the Flying Spagetti God Himself. The townsfolk tried to disprove her cooking by posioning her tasty meatballs but legend has it that when she served the posion meatballs to her family, they didn't die and, in fact, lived an extra 50 years while their future generations were granted marvelous talents and strikingly good looks. Meanwhile the rest of the villagers died in Pompeii as a direct result for going against the Spagetti Monster. So you see, this is not a fairy tale as it has direct ties to history and my bloodline.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 11:25 [#01827810]
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well, you may not be able to convince them god doesn't exist, and people who try stuff like that are silly anyway... however, you could possibly convince them that state and church should be separate.. Mill has some good arguing on this in his "On Liberty," where you'll also find a somewhat more polished version of my thoughts on learning and the right of every thought to be presented. Mind you, I did have some similar ideas before I read Mill, so it's a question of me being influenced by him, he wasn't what necessarily gave me the idea in the first place (most of the time when you read philosophy, it's more "yes, I've kind of thought of that before, but this guy actually manages to get it down in words and with lots of good arguments for it!" instead of what I think r40f once said about it being a study for those who want others' thoughts so that they don't have to think for themselves or whatever.. I don't know how serious he was, but that seemed like a very silly claim, so don't think he was very serious (especially considering the fact that there aren't any classes at all in any study where the lecturer goes "oh, just think for yourself and you'll figure it our!")).
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2006-01-26 11:28 [#01827811]
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i believe in what i see when i smoke. btw, im special and i know when armageddon is. i can save the earth, and i will. no one else can.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 11:28 [#01827812]
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sorry about that last part, I just felt I should make it clear to avoid people doing the usual "oh, you've just read Mill (last semester)! HAH!" and using it like something derogatory (I never quite got why that actually works.. it's kind of like making someone seem silly because he hasn't known everything since birth.. you study, you discover new things. If you tell someone who's known it an hour longer, they go "oh, HAH! did you just read Mill or what?!" and then it's like they "won" something...)
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 11:29 [#01827814]
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unneccessary post.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-26 11:37 [#01827820]
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actually, that's an interesting post. some people *do* use their knowledge as an ego tool to prove that they are "better" or "special." they do this with electronical musics, too...
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 12:00 [#01827832]
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yeah, it's one of the silliest ways of making oneself seem better than others... "I have known this longer than you HA HA you are silly!"
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-01-26 12:20 [#01827842]
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that is a correct statement.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-26 12:51 [#01827870]
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there's this thing you wrote about me here that i don't understand... followed by plaidzebra insinuating that i have an ego trip, i guess?
i'd like to know what's going on
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-26 13:02 [#01827884]
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i'm not necessarily saying that you were motivated by the ego desire to be "special" or "better." i just thought it was an interesting observation for this thread. some people also use their faith as an ego crutch, some even use their lack of faith.
even more to the point, i defy you to name one person on this board who isn't at some points on an ego trip. i think almost everyone from time to time, secretly or openly, gives in to the temptation to think of themselves as "special," or "better."
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-26 13:03 [#01827886]
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i have never once criticized anyone here for their religious beliefs or even tried to persuade anyone to think differently. if you interpreted my posts as an excercise in ego, that's your own grossly-uninformed charicature of someone you don't know.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-01-26 13:05 [#01827888]
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I have a crazy ego but that is only is real life and was more present in my past.
Just wanted to answer that for fun
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 13:05 [#01827889]
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oh, I didn't say anything about you going on an ego trip.. I just remember some thread in which you may or may not have been joking (most likely joking) where you said something about the study of philosophy being for people who can't think for themselves or something (since quite a large bit of the study is about the history of philosophy, and we thus read lots of books by other people, but there are other parts of the study too).
I think the thread was simply called "philosophy" or something like that and the person who made it was just asking who else studied philosophy...
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-26 13:06 [#01827890]
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are you talking to me?
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-26 13:08 [#01827891]
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ok, that's something i do remember... that was much more of a flippant, joke-y remark. i'm guilty of doing those at the worst times.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 13:09 [#01827892]
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'ere we are
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-26 13:10 [#01827893]
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it's for whoever needs to read it.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-26 13:10 [#01827895]
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haha, yeah, I thought as much.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-26 13:13 [#01827901]
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i guess that's another one of your flippant, jokey responses...
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-01-26 13:33 [#01827921]
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no, it's a real response and not a joke
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2006-01-26 14:20 [#01827968]
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i'm a genetic scientist and microbiologist. i stick to what i can understand.
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-26 14:40 [#01827983]
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wow, all this god talk. theres two issues here really, whether you are religious or not, or whether you take religion literally or not (i.e. the intelligent design crap)
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-01-26 14:53 [#01828001]
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Roman Catholic, officially, but my feelings about faith are ever-changing and amorphous. Sometimes I find myself WANTING to be more, I dunno, ''hardcore'' about it, but there's also some agnostic stations in my brain and soul. My relationship with my faith is not a close or stable one, but it definitely exists. I'm not sure how I'd define my spirituality, I'm working on it, I'm open minded and got lots of time. I seem to jack off a lot.
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hAnkyPhexTwin
from Tucson, Arizona (United States) on 2006-01-26 15:11 [#01828029]
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Raised Christian and still am Christian. Though I'm not the goody goody two shoes doesn't cuss Christian.
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Ganymede
from Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius on 2006-01-26 19:16 [#01828107]
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First off, I love you Jay; I'm sure you're doing fine re: spirituality.
Second, I'm eclectic. I was raised conservative Protestant Christian but doubted it very early. Now I'd call myself a pagan taoist dervish. I feel most simpatico with the views expressed by plaidzebra, Drunken Mastah and fleetmouse on this thread.
There is no step three.
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swears
from junk sleep on 2006-01-27 02:05 [#01828246]
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_________________________________________ CONCLUSIONS FROM MY SCIENTIFIC POST
a) God is a load of cobblers.
b) Christianity is the best religion for keeping the peasants in line.
c) Well, better than all those crazy-ass, foreign mumbo-jumbo religions, anyway.
d) I am both an atheist and an ultraconservative.
Thankyou for your time.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-27 02:28 [#01828260]
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Christian.
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darkpromenade
from Australia on 2006-01-27 03:48 [#01828298]
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I'm a non-revolutionary-proto-yogic-buddhist-anarchist...........
4 reel.
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solariumface
from brussels (Belgium) on 2006-01-27 07:49 [#01828402]
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Monoids comment made me think of this:LAZY_TITLE
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2006-01-27 11:26 [#01828495]
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arf, all i can say is ???
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-01-27 11:36 [#01828500]
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i am not a religious person
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-28 03:04 [#01828874]
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this is my religion
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/incons istencies.html
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Ezkerraldean
from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-28 03:08 [#01828876]
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the only evidence for some sort of big bloke in the sky is from some old book that doesnt even date from the times its on about. the new testament, at least, was written in the 500s by monks.
im not religious, ive never found god myself, but if i do ill be sure to tie him to the floor and piss all over his face.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-01-28 06:17 [#01828936]
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it's not only the book.. it's everything around you.. bushes, trees, rocks, people.. and yourself. so there.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2006-01-29 20:37 [#01829930]
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im an agnostic with buddhist leanings, meaning i agree with many of the statements it makes, ie the four noble truths, but dont believe in reincarnation, the 7 realms, etc.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2006-01-29 20:38 [#01829931]
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oh, and i would have hoped the ID discussion wouldve stayed in the ID thread, but i guess not.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-29 22:49 [#01829969]
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Ok, I posted it.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-29 22:52 [#01829970]
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I think you're getting into heaven dude.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-29 22:55 [#01829972]
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memetics totally owned all religion. It's disturbing how similar a chain letter recieved in the mail and a religious pamphlet recieved in the mail are. It's like looking at two closely related biological specimens. Religion is just like... so primitive now. All of life evolved from bacteria... and regular bacteria are still around. Similarly religion is still around.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-29 23:06 [#01829973]
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I think the true god is a jack in the box antenna ball. In life we are all his employees.
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