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"intelligent design" equals the biblical account of creation. this is the sole reason the idea is incompatible with the idea that living things evolve. without the biblical account, the idea "intelligent design" would indeed be as quaint as phlogiston. a much more interesting thread, i think, would investigate the "why" of existence. i may be certain of only one fact, that our current model of reality will continue to be radically altered as long as we systematically investigate. |
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oops, those comments weren't all necessarily directed at f/m. |
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hahah, don't worry.. on the internets where it's all in writing, it's easy to get meaning from the posts while ignoring harshness. it's our privelegie to do so as long as we're not dealing with each other in real life. that doesn't mean I wouldn't come over for a whisky, but then we'd discuss more important matters (like music and chicks and those tiny chocolate bars that are like half the size of the regular ones.. I mean, what the fuck?). |
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the little Dove snack bite things are the greatest thing on earth. in fact, i think they are probably the best evidence i've seen as to the existance of a diety. :) |
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"As you mature emotionally (or mentally, or spiritually), you will grow out of your present way of thinking, and you will eventually come around to my point of view." |
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;D |
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Didn't we already have this argument just before you went through the de-tox program? |
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Ha ha, yeah, I remember him trying to argue without taking the crack pipe out of his mouth. Mumble mumble, puff, mumble. |
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You're looking less repulsive than usual today. |
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That's a cruel thing to say, and I know you don't mean it. What would your father say if he could hear you now? |
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I would like to answer your question directly, but considering your emotional instability, I feel that to do so would be a disservice to you at this time. |
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It sounds as if you are saying that torturing children is a good idea.... |
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You weren't breast fed as a child, were you? |
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I'm glad you asked. Would you like a long or a short answer? |
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I would like a long interactive DVD with bumpy chrome menu screens. |
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A quote to get this thread back on track: A man didn’t understand how televisions work, and was convinced that there must be lots of little men inside the box. manipulating images at high speed. An engineer explained to him about high frequency modulations of the electromagnetic spectrum, about transmitters and receivers, about amplifiers and cathode ray tubes, about scan lines moving across and down a phosphorescent screen. The man listened to the engineer with careful attention, nodding his head at every step of the argument. At the end he pronounced himself satisfied. He really did now understand how televisions work. "But I expect there are just a few little men in there, aren’t there?" -- Douglas Adams, a parable spoofing creationism that Adams often told, as retold by Richard Dawkins in "Lament for Douglas" (14 May 2001) |
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Why, that is a brilliant question coming from you! Remember last time we had an argument, and you turned out to be wrong and wouldn't admit it? Now we're in the same spot we were last time. |
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what's so intelligent about monotremes? where's the genius in a frikkin duck beaver, layin eggs and lactating without nipples? |
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Ok, Im taking a class on this right now, and I don't feel like reading this whole thread so you are just going to have to trust me: ID is crap. |
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I really like the ID'ers discussion about "irreducible complexity." It's like, "The flagellum is so complex. it can't be broken into smaller, functional parts. therefore, GOD DID IT." or, "Didn't you see 'March of the Penguins?' Obviously a funny looking bird without all those sweet adaptations couldn't live in antarctica. therefore, GOD DID IT." |
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i believe fleetmouse created us |
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The principle of causality consists in a relationship of necessary connection between cause and effect, in virtue of which the one (effect) cannot be had without the presence of the other (cause). Hence the formulation of the principle of causality: "Everything that begins to exist must have a cause for its existence." Now this principle, or this absolute necessity of connection between the effect and its cause, is anything but exempt from doubt. Analytical a priori reasoning is such that it implies a proposition whose predicate is derivable from the idea of the subject -- as in the example, "Three times five is equal to fifteen." Now, according to Hume, the mind can never find the effect by examination of the supposed cause; for the effect is totally different from the cause, and consequently can never be discovered in it. |
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I can uncreate you too. |
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ill be quiet now oh mighty fleetmouse |
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Hume is fucking deep. He follows me around like a ghost. |
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Intelligent Design = The old Cosmological argument = Bullshit "The nose was created for the purpose of wearing spectacles" -Voltaire |
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Cause and effect no longer exist as a pair. |
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THIS BITCH ISN'T DYING. |
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cause and effect have nothing to do with intent. |
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well if god did create life, he did a fucking lousy job. wars, diseases etc. and what the fuck are toes for? they are pointless additives to the human body, like the appendix. why would some guy in the clouds put functionless things on the human body? |
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and what the fuck are toes for? they're so you can walk and stand up and things like that |
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yeah, toes are very important. |
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i don't think we've had a serious enough discussion about Doveâ„¢ snack sized candy bites. |
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you dont need toes to walk! you have the heels of your feet. a pad will do, it does not need to be differentiated into toes. the fact that it is means it must have originally been a purposeful arrangement, i.e. another hand for climbing trees etc. like chimps. douglas adams was amazing. |
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Ha ha! Look at old stumpy, stumping around on his heels. He's different. He doesn't have toes. That's funny! |
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try cutting them off and walking around |
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I've never had one of those.. could you fax me one? |
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Nature is pretty amazing. Flawless. |
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That avatar is either awesome or extremely horrifying, which means it's terrific. |
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--A man didn’t understand how televisions work, and was convinced that there must be lots of little men inside the box. manipulating images at high speed. An engineer explained to him about high frequency modulations of the electromagnetic spectrum, about transmitters and receivers, about amplifiers and cathode ray tubes, about scan lines moving across and down a phosphorescent screen. The man listened to the engineer with careful attention, nodding his head at every step of the argument. At the end he pronounced himself satisfied. He really did now understand how televisions work. "But I expect there are just a few little men in there, aren’t there?" -- That doesn't prove anything!! That is comparable to the little disclaimer that says "this poll is not scientific, and only represents the opinions of those who participated." In other words you can't make broad sweeping generalizations about those who believe in a higher power. In fact there are many who are more than competant in various scientific fields and can look at true, substantiated and accepted data and form models and theories in favor of intellegent design from it. |
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I am sure you have read the book Inherit the Wind or maybe seen the movie. It is based on the famous Scopes trial here in America where a teacher was being prosecuted for teaching evolution. It was illegal at the time to do so. Well anyway they got this God fearing big name prosecutor to come down to settle this thing and at the end of the book the defense attorney calls the prosecution, this God fearing big name lawyer to the stand. He then asks him "Now, I heard you say earlier that sex is evil, right.." and he says "well by yes it is the most evil thing and dirty..." and so on and so forth. Well then the defense grabs a bible and turns to the geneolgies and starts reading .."and so and so begat so and so, and so and so begat so and so.." and then says "Now if you say sex is so evil and proclaim that the bible says it too, then how comes there is so much begating going on right here in the first chapter?! At this point the prosecutor gets all flustered and sweated and I think he may have even had a heart attack I forget exactly. Anyway, this was the major turn in the trial that forced the judge to only fine the defendant $1 and then the law was eventually overtuned so evolution could be taught. The point is that is ridiculous and does not even come close to representing the beliefs of the christian community at large. No one thinks that sex is evil it is a natural part of life. Christians may believe that promiscous sex is bad but so do many non-christians and that is just practial anyway, right? Aids, unwanted pregancies, etc. So don't go building straw men just so you can knock them down. |
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i'm almost positive you missed the point of the adams joke |
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So to point to people who at one time thought the earth was flat, or that hell is dantes inferno at the center of the earth, or that the earth is 6,000 years old and then say "there, see, just a bunch of inbred morons this whole God idea is absurd" is what is really absurd because they are throwing the baby out with the bath water. |
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well if god did create life, he did a fucking lousy job. wars, diseases etc. Violence exists in nature. If its not humans killing each other then animals sure are. Large scale wars are a man-made concept btw. Diseases can be attributed to many causes, some man made, others from inbreeding, the list goes on. It can also seen as natures way of population control. Who knows how many species lived and died before humans even came into the picture. Would you all be shocked if we were the next species to get wiped out? I wouldn't be surprised. |
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I'm at peace now. Hamburgers, brother. |
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I would, considering ~5 species are estimated to go extinct every day. |
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you couldn't be surprised. you'd be wiped out. |
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why can't douglas adams keep his sticky fingers out of threads like these? |
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