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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 16:42 [#01822456]
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just in case you didn't believe me, here's some more of my
stuff



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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 16:47 [#01822457]
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and now for 3 shots from the operation...


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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 16:47 [#01822458]
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2


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offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 16:48 [#01822459]
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3


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offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 16:57 [#01822463]
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it doesn't

yet


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 17:04 [#01822468]
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hey, you got an mc202 too


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 17:22 [#01822475]
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and off shot i have a Nord Lead 2x and my girlfriend's
microKORG

:)


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 17:30 [#01822478]
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When are you going to make some half decent music with all
that shit then, or does it just happen naturally by fucking
osmosis if you say 303 / 606 / 808 / 909 enough fucking
times?


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 17:31 [#01822482]
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off shot (of all the 0 shots i've made of my "studio") a
Yamaha CS1x and can of roasted cashew's


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 17:36 [#01822487]
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as soon as i either

1) get my own place so i can actually hook all my stuff up
together all at once and actually make some stuff instead of
sitting here.

2) have enough spare time and patience to record loops and
cut and paste stuff

on a small note, i HATE working loop based, especially
with something like the 303...you need to be able to tweak
those knobs in real time, with the rest of your track....i
should really sit down and record some loops from the drum
machines and record the synth stuff in live.


working stupid shifts don't help matters either...
one week i'll be working mon-fri 8am-4:30pm, the next week
i'll be working 1:30pm-10pm, and then the days off change
also :(
not very conducive for someone who's trying to get stuff
done


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 17:37 [#01822489]
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ever since i had a go on a Yamaha CS1x in college i've
wanted one....they're the blue ones right? :)


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 17:49 [#01822491]
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yes, blue square-ish playboxes
bought one from a friend for 170 EUR


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 17:54 [#01822495]
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that's excellent :)

i love the angular look of it, and although i didn't get to
play around with it much in college, it seemed to have some
nice harsh sounding patches on it


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-19 18:13 [#01822499]
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1) get my own place so i can actually hook all my stuff
up
together all at once and actually make some stuff instead of

sitting here.


If you don't have space, prop you bed and matress up against
the wall and work on the floor. Better still, if your bed
"slats" are a solid board, chuck the matress up against the
door and use that as a table. It's not difficult to make
space.

"on a small note, i HATE working loop
based
, especially with something like the 303...you
need to be able to tweak those knobs in real time, with the
rest of your track....i should really sit down and record
some loops from the drum machines and record the synth stuff
in live. "


If you hate loop-based composition, you could well have made
a mistake buying a 303 & 606 & 808 & 909. Do some research
before spunking £3K up the wall next time...

working stupid shifts don't help matters either...
one week i'll be working mon-fri 8am-4:30pm, the next week
i'll be working 1:30pm-10pm, and then the days off change
also :(
not very conducive for someone who's trying to get stuff
done.


No excuse. I worked 12 hour shifts this week, spent 2-3
hours socialising in the evening 5 nights on the trot and
still managed to spend about 4 hours a day doing tracks.

Dog_Belch: Music done on hardware is automatically great. It
doesn't matter what it is/how the hardware is used/who is
using it, the simple fact that it's hardware makes it better
than software. I had hoped you, as a BIYC artist, would
appreciate this, rather than wasting your time on things
like "softsynths".


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:22 [#01822500]
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"If you hate loop-based composition, you could well have
made
a mistake buying a 303 & 606 & 808 & 909. Do some research
before spunking £3K up the wall next time.."


hence my statement saying "i should really record some
loops"....i bought these as a way to force me out of a
technique which was draining me

"No excuse. I worked 12 hour shifts this week, spent 2-3

hours socialising in the evening 5 nights on the trot and
still managed to spend about 4 hours a day doing
tracks."


sorry about the long shifts, i did a 12 hour shift once and
it damn near killed me. good for you though that you managed
to squeeze in time for yourself...hope you didn't lose too
much sleep over it.

Ceri, i don't know why but i get the feeling that you're
kind of intentionally having a go at me....over the past few
days you've had a bash at my comments on using Linux and now
this post. it might be me reading it the wrong way (and i
usually do read things the wrong way, especially from people
on here) and to be honest about a year ago i wouldn't have
expected the kind of comments i have been getting recently
from you.

i'm sorry i need at least 8 hours sleep every day otherwise
i'm fucked for doing work the next day, i'm sorry that i
still haven't adjusted to working stupid shifts, i'm sorry
that in some way i've managed to piss you off. but i guess
that's what i do.

i really am sorry if i've pissed you off man.

and if i've read all this wrong, my apologies for my
rambling :(


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-19 18:24 [#01822501]
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I'm sorry if that post comes across as a little harsh, it's
just that all these excuses for not starting seem to be just
that: excuses- it's as if you don't really want to start.
Not a lot can stop me doing music for more than a day or
two, I start writing drum patterns and basslines on paper,
even if I'm on a mountainside.

It also beggars the question, if you're not prepared to do
the simple things I described/sacrifice an hours kip to do
some tracks, how are you "into" music enough to warrant
buying all that kit? Did you buy them purely for the
ownership/kudos? Are you intimidated by doing/posting
anything for fear people will criticise it and that you
won't live up to the "big names" who've used that stuff?

I know this may come across as me being very envious of your
gear, but the points I made (in this post at least) are
serious. I know it's your money/gear/life, but
seeing/hearing about stuff not being used makes me sad.

It's like when people buy an amazing, extremely cutting edge
car/bikes and never drive it for more than 50 miles one
sunny afternoon, then leave it in a garage to admire for
years/sell on, when in reality the paint is slowly peeling,
the engine is seizing and the technology that was cutting
edge is now available to all, in a better/more versatile
form, for a lot less cash.

They're not limited edition in the intentional sense, they
were never made to be collectors items. They were made to be
used. Use them.

LEt the bass kick!


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-19 18:31 [#01822502]
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Yeah, I was really hesitant to post the comments in this
thread, especially given the Linux issue earlier. In that
thread I really wasn't attacking you, it's just that
I have encountered some unix zealots (the sort who think all
desktop machines should have it- the sort of people I was
criticising) in work recently and your comments made me
think of them.

At the risk of going on about it too much:
-I'm not annoyed at you at all.
-Sorry if it came across as personal (or even worse, a case
of me taking the opposite side of the argument, just to
attack you).
-The post in this thread was intended to be humourous with a
serious message, but given the combination of it with the
earlier unix thing, obviously backfired.
-You certainly haven't done anything to piss me off.
-Erm, sorry for the misunderstanding *offers hand to shake*


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:33 [#01822503]
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sorry man, i did read it wrong

i know man, but let me at least try and explain myself.

the way i love working with equipment is all at once. i
wanna have all my equipment set up, ready to go and
trigger/play all at once, so i can mess about with it right
there on the spot it i don't like it. i guess i'm kind of
like a traditionalist in the sense that i would much rather
have everything going live rather than sampling little hits
and messing around in Cubase.

but you're right man. i'm letting this stuff go to waste.
until today i hadn't even really tried to get my head around
programming the 303 properly. but now i think i've
got my head around it :)

i'm gonna start by trying to cover this track ("untitled"
from Polygon Window)...at least then i can say i've put the
info from this post into use....and then, i can try and make
some shitty electro / techno stuff that someone on here can
laugh at :)

lately i've really wanted to put my stuff up on here....the
past couple of times someone from here listened to my stuff,
i got positive reviews....even ecnadniarb said i was
improving :p

i am gonna be trying to get some webspace so i can upload
more than 3 damn tracks at a time (damn zebox) so i'll have
somewhere to stick the files.

i'll try man


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2006-01-19 18:36 [#01822506]
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ceri is right, but there is a lot of merit to learning
someone else's music, even if it just means you are learning
the equipment. understanding how things work is very
useful.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:36 [#01822507]
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*accepts the handshake heartily and buys you a beer* :D

sorry man, i guess i'm in my hormonal season - taking things
too seriously!

i understand what you man about zealots....i am ashamed to
admit that i was a massive Mac zealot. but i'm sure you'll
be glad to know that i've learned the error of my ways the
hard way and shall never use any more Apple hardware again
(except my iPod and i really wish i didn't have it..one day
i'll re-rip all my music as MP3!)...although i still hate
Microsoft :p

i'm sorry man, i didn't mean to take it all to heart


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:38 [#01822511]
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thanks to the people who responded in this thread i now know
how to program the 303 properly....i couldn't get my head
round it properly before (mainly because of the badly worded
japano-english translated manual) but thinking about it now
it's actually not that hard :D

and also i now know that my drum loop needed the cymbals on
1 and 9 ;)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-19 18:42 [#01822516]
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I know how "acquiring" stuff can take you over (even if it's
only softsynths) and I'd be hypocritical if I didn't admit
there have been times where I've been sort of, "right, I've
got that what do I need next?" Rather than sitting down and
spending a whole evening with nothing other than 1 bit of
kit and learning it properly. I've got to be honest, I've
had absynth for 3+ years now and only the past couple of
months have I really gotten the hang of it/actually used it
to anywhere even beginning to approach its capabilites.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-19 18:44 [#01822518]
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Certainly- aiming to do an accurate clone/cover is a great
way of learning a bit of gear. It gives some direction to
your noodlings.

Cheers for being so understanding Oscillik, glad that's all
cleared up. I'm off to bed now, long hours have caught up
with me.


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:45 [#01822520]
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isn't Absynth the one that's similar to Max/MSP in the sense
that you can modularise everything and hook everything into
everything else?

i used to have a disc with an old version of VAZ modular on
it but i lost it and never got chance to mess with it
properly :(

and btw, i don't have an 808 yet....still need that one ;)

*cries* i want my 909 to work properly! i need to call
Roland in the US tomorrow and beg them for the spare part


 

offline oscillik from the fires of orc on 2006-01-19 18:47 [#01822521]
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again, apologies for misunderstand it and ruining the humour
in your comment :(

you're a safe dude man (brummie slang) :)


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-19 19:01 [#01822529]
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you're a safe dude man (brummie slang) :)

What rampant provincialism, When was "safe" a fucking
midlands invention?


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-01-19 19:39 [#01822588]
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If you dont want to make loops and patch it all up in a
wavesequencer I suggest you get some hardware sequencers and
synchronize all your gear, then lay down the sequences and
record each synth/drummachine in solomode (while they're all
playing in your monitoring channel of course) while you're
tweaking them.

Then you put it all together in some multitracker and
synchronize the recordings, voila!


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2006-01-20 02:35 [#01822730]
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He would have to get a lot of that gear modded to do that.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2006-01-20 02:55 [#01822736]
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Absynth lets you do your own waveshaping (like Vaz), as does
MaxMSP, but absynth is only semi modular (in that you can
bypass bits of the chain). It is also nowhere near as open
ended as max; it's more of a whole "music programming
language" like reaktor/csound/supercollider (I know those
three are all pretty different but it's along those lines),
whereas Absynth is just a softsynth (albeit a very very good
one). The automation of all the parameters which allow it to
do such complex evolving pads/rhythm loops isn't really
anything new, more just that absynth's interface makes it
intuitive and easy to automate several parameters at once
(and still see the other parameters values/modulation
waves).

I used to love Vaz. I can't remember what version I had
originally, (something like 2010, or modular+), but when I
upgraded to a newer version of it, everything had changed
too much and I didn't like it as much. I still think it
(well, my version of one of their 101 patches) had one of
the best emulations of your archetypal sh-101 bass that I've
ever heard in software. I may well dig it out and have
another play. Ta for the reminder.


 

offline big from lsg on 2006-01-20 02:56 [#01822738]
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no i just got confused by you saying you wanted it to sound
like richard's one, i wouldn't automatically assume he's
modded his when you don't get the sound right right away



 

offline big from lsg on 2006-01-20 02:58 [#01822741]
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i wouldn't like programming with the step sequencer, it
doesn't have midi though? (did find this


 

offline WooferAttack from Milano (Italy) on 2006-01-20 03:08 [#01822748]
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best track from SOSW (after Polygon Window track)


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-01-20 03:25 [#01822754]
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just to cut back on the actual topic


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2006-01-20 05:50 [#01822807]
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Not really, 90% of his gear has dinsync..


 


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