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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-14 20:31 [#01819126]
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I can't figure reaktor out for my life.
Is there a book for general synth stuff that is decent?
I don't know what 60-70% of the stuff does, in the panel, or in the structure.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-01-14 20:51 [#01819130]
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is there something specific you want to do? reaktor can do so much, its really impossible to find anything that would cover it all. whats your main focus? synths? granular? live tools, sequencers, fx?
im pretty decent with reaktor, but there is a ton of stuff I would never use. some of it is just so nitty gritty, most people wont use it.
but it all depends on what you want, and how much control you want to get.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-01-14 21:40 [#01819143]
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i tried mess with reactor as well, i wanted to make a generative sequencer thingy that'd make drum rhythms based on like pre-determined instructions, like, "when this does this, either play that sound, or that one." and then have it generate noises that would serve as "filler" for beats, and would be based off of what was coming in thruough a mic. and stuff like that, have sounds just be generated from older sounds, have effects put onto sounds based upon rules.
i also wanted to have the same kind of thing but for more melodic sounds. pre-programmed chord progressions and climaxs based upon timing rules. do this, do that, and in the end, do this.
so, i was gonna do all of this, have this big setup. and work on it every day. i installed reaktor, opened it up, didnt know what to do, closed it, uninstalled it, turned on my tv, put my hand down my pants, grunted, then ordered a pizza.
not longer than a month later i got ableton live and i have been making stuff that sounds "generative" but really isnt.
and theres always the power of suggestion. you can sequence something and then say its generative if you want to be a liar. i dunno.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-01-14 21:44 [#01819145]
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as far as beats go you can throw people off quite a bit with like beats and counter-beats if you just know how to make fat ass beats. and you think its whack and someone elses listens to it and thinks its totally awesome so always try to get some feedback on your tunes if thats the direction youre going.
i have no idea why im offering this kind of advice. i shouldnt hit reply, but im gonna. watch me do it.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-14 21:44 [#01819146]
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Regularly, new users complain in the NI forum about how learning Reaktor is a long painful process. It's 1/3 working from the top down dissecting other people's ensembles, 1/3 experimenting from the bottom up by chaining simple modules together, and 1/3 begging for help on the forum.
Best resource on general synthesis is Synth Secrets
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-14 22:11 [#01819147]
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I mostly want to use it as a synth, but have never used one before. I have got a few basics, but I still don't understand what is going on behind them.
Thanks for that link. I also have this one, but its a little technical.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-14 22:12 [#01819148]
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Actually, I remember why I don't like my link, its kind of irrelevant to most stuff I want to do at the moment. Maybe later.
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sin
from United Kingdom on 2006-01-15 02:38 [#01819184]
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These tutorials should give you a better idea of Reaktor, and synthesis in general:
LAZY_Reaktor Tut 1 LAZY_Reaktor Tut 2
As for a book, I remember seeing a worthwhile book on synthesis in a supplement of Sound on Sound magazine, you might find what your looking for over at soundonsound.com. There's a lot on the web too, try searching for stuff on subtractive, additive and frequency modulation (FM) synthesis for starters.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 05:27 [#01819230]
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Jeez that's a little out of date. Is that Reaktor 2?
There's an equivalent up to date tutorial in chapter 9 of the operation manual pdf that comes with Reaktor 5.
If Mr. Rostasky is baffled by synthesis in general he'd be better off to start by playing with a good versatile subtractive emulator like the Synth1 plugin.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-15 11:06 [#01819393]
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Synth secrets is pretty good...but sometimes it concentrates on making the sounds on specific synths which is no good to me
"Computer Music tutorial" edited by curtis Roads is OK,has the total rundown
"Computer music" by Charles Dodge and someone Jerse is the best i think ... show you how to make the patches in a nonspecific way and give u values to get instrument sounds quickly. ... this is my favourite atm but the cover looks totally mickey mouse
The csound book has got some interesting things in,even if u dont know csound
theres two brilliant books ive been looking at recently.might be out of print though, theyve got hand drawn diagrams and typewritten text!! :) "Audible Design" and "on Sonic Art" by Trevor Wishart.
No patches as such but lots of solid & useful theory
reaktor will be a piece of piss if u read that lot ;)
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 13:43 [#01819461]
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Thanks!
Ok, one more thing which hasn't been addressed anywhere probably because it is assumed to be common knowledge:
Is frequency the same thing as pitch?
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 16:12 [#01819541]
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And another question:
What is 'blem' pertaining to midi controllers?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 18:59 [#01819601]
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Frequency is measured in hertz (cycles per second) and it is a straight linear value. Pitch is logarithmic due to the way our ears hear things. When you double the frequency of a sound in hertz it is perceived as an octave increase. linky
In reaktor there are exponential and logarithmic modules to convert from linear values to the midi pitches from 0 to 127 and back again.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 19:01 [#01819603]
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Oh jeez that's interesting - I had to google that one. Blem - you saw that on a shopping site, right? That means a piece of equipment is blemished - scratched or dented - and they're selling it for less.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 19:04 [#01819604]
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Doh.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 19:05 [#01819606]
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In my defense, they had slightly different descriptions at Musician's Friend.
I guess I needed to say that.
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mjs
on 2006-01-15 20:11 [#01819630]
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try working with the nord modular g2 demo, it gave me a really good sense of how to chain things together, and from there yo ucan get a good view of whats going on in reaktor structures. reaktor's crazy open-ended, have a saucey ball with it
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 20:50 [#01819641]
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Which reminds me, definitely check out the Soundschool Analog synth in Reaktor. It's very much like a Nord lead or like synth1 which was modeled after a nord lead. It's a great learning synth, and the "b" panel has a routing diagram.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 20:51 [#01819642]
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One mo question.
If I were to get like a 25 key midi controller, I would need a 1-in-1-out interface, right?
What/where is this demo you speak of?
I now get stuff like LFOs and Filters and Oscillators, but there are just so many things in Reaktor that don't directly correspond to knobs, and these things I don't understand.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 20:52 [#01819643]
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Is subtractive the most predominant, easiest, best, or what, type of synth?
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-15 20:56 [#01819645]
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I probably don't have anything important in (bank0) folder, do I? (I can't find it, but it will get overwritten by synth1)
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-16 05:14 [#01819737]
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subtractive is where the phatness is 9 times out of 10 "analog" means "subtractive"
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-17 15:07 [#01820895]
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Bump.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 16:11 [#01820930]
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If you haven't installed synth1 before then no you have nothing in bank 0.
What kind of controller are you looking at? Many of them use USB so you don't need a midi interface. But most decent sound cards have midi in/out. If you have a shit sound card, expect either crackling or annoying delays between pressing a key and hearing a note.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-17 17:35 [#01821024]
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Yeah, I do have a shit soundcard, but I am getting an external one soon.
I was thinking about an M-audio one or something. Any recommendations? There are a lot of conflicting reviews out there, and I probably don't want to spend more than $200.
So, I should be able to use synth1 from reaktor? It says to find a plugin menu...?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 17:49 [#01821051]
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Get an internal PCI M-audio audiophile 24/96 unless you have a laptop. It's cheap and stable, and it has analog, digital and midi in/out. The better external cards are firewire, not usb, and they can be expensive.
Synth1 doesn't run insuide reaktor - you run it as a plugin in FL Studio, Cubase, or another such host. If you don't want to be bothered with that, just use Soundschool Analog inside Reaktor, which is very similar and probably better for you because you can look inside and see the way it's built.
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 17:51 [#01821054]
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Oh by the way, depending on how shit your soundcard is you might be able to get better performance from it using the asio4all drivers.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-17 18:10 [#01821078]
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Thanks, Yeah, I'm on a laptop. Do soundcards take up ram? I'll probably need some more anyway.
I kind of blindly ran into this. My plan is, if I invest enough money into this, I force myself to make a commitment...
Ugh, I'll need a sequencer too.
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-01-17 19:40 [#01821136]
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Do firewire sound cards double as midi interfaces?
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