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offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-14 20:31 [#01819126]
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I can't figure reaktor out for my life.

Is there a book for general synth stuff that is decent?

I don't know what 60-70% of the stuff does, in the panel, or
in the structure.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2006-01-14 20:51 [#01819130]
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is there something specific you want to do? reaktor can do
so much, its really impossible to find anything that would
cover it all. whats your main focus? synths? granular? live
tools, sequencers, fx?

im pretty decent with reaktor, but there is a ton of stuff I
would never use. some of it is just so nitty gritty, most
people wont use it.

but it all depends on what you want, and how much control
you want to get.


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-01-14 21:40 [#01819143]
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i tried mess with reactor as well, i wanted to make a
generative sequencer thingy that'd make drum rhythms based
on like pre-determined instructions, like, "when this does
this, either play that sound, or that one." and then have it
generate noises that would serve as "filler" for beats, and
would be based off of what was coming in thruough a mic. and
stuff like that, have sounds just be generated from older
sounds, have effects put onto sounds based upon rules.

i also wanted to have the same kind of thing but for more
melodic sounds. pre-programmed chord progressions and
climaxs based upon timing rules. do this, do that, and in
the end, do this.

so, i was gonna do all of this, have this big setup. and
work on it every day. i installed reaktor, opened it up,
didnt know what to do, closed it, uninstalled it, turned on
my tv, put my hand down my pants, grunted, then ordered a
pizza.

not longer than a month later i got ableton live and i have
been making stuff that sounds "generative" but really isnt.


and theres always the power of suggestion. you can sequence
something and then say its generative if you want to be a
liar. i dunno.



 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-01-14 21:44 [#01819145]
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as far as beats go you can throw people off quite a bit with
like beats and counter-beats if you just know how to make
fat ass beats. and you think its whack and someone elses
listens to it and thinks its totally awesome so always try
to get some feedback on your tunes if thats the direction
youre going.

i have no idea why im offering this kind of advice. i
shouldnt hit reply, but im gonna. watch me do it.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-14 21:44 [#01819146]
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Regularly, new users complain in the NI forum about how
learning Reaktor is a long painful process. It's 1/3 working
from the top down dissecting other people's ensembles, 1/3
experimenting from the bottom up by chaining simple modules
together, and 1/3 begging for help on the forum.

Best resource on general synthesis is Synth Secrets


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-14 22:11 [#01819147]
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I mostly want to use it as a synth, but have never used one
before. I have got a few basics, but I still don't
understand what is going on behind them.

Thanks for that link. I also have this one, but
its a little technical.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-14 22:12 [#01819148]
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Actually, I remember why I don't like my link, its kind of
irrelevant to most stuff I want to do at the moment. Maybe
later.


 

offline sin from United Kingdom on 2006-01-15 02:38 [#01819184]
Points: 75 Status: Regular



These tutorials should give you a better idea of Reaktor,
and synthesis in general:

LAZY_Reaktor Tut 1
LAZY_Reaktor Tut 2

As for a book, I remember seeing a worthwhile book on
synthesis in a supplement of Sound on Sound magazine, you
might find what your looking for over at soundonsound.com.
There's a lot on the web too, try searching for stuff on
subtractive, additive and frequency modulation (FM)
synthesis for starters.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 05:27 [#01819230]
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Jeez that's a little out of date. Is that Reaktor 2?

There's an equivalent up to date tutorial in chapter 9 of
the operation manual pdf that comes with Reaktor 5.

If Mr. Rostasky is baffled by synthesis in general he'd be
better off to start by playing with a good versatile
subtractive emulator like the Synth1 plugin.


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-15 11:06 [#01819393]
Points: 6563 Status: Regular



Synth secrets is pretty good...but sometimes it concentrates
on making the sounds on specific synths which is no good to
me

"Computer Music tutorial" edited by curtis Roads is OK,has
the total rundown

"Computer music" by Charles Dodge and someone Jerse is the
best i think ... show you how to make the patches in a
nonspecific way and give u values to get instrument sounds
quickly. ... this is my favourite atm but the cover looks
totally mickey mouse

The csound book has got some interesting things in,even if u
dont know csound

theres two brilliant books ive been looking at
recently.might be out of print though, theyve got hand drawn
diagrams and typewritten text!! :) "Audible Design" and "on
Sonic Art" by Trevor Wishart.

No patches as such but lots of solid & useful theory

reaktor will be a piece of piss if u read that lot ;)


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 13:43 [#01819461]
Points: 1572 Status: Lurker



Thanks!

Ok, one more thing which hasn't been addressed anywhere
probably because it is assumed to be common knowledge:

Is frequency the same thing as pitch?


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 16:12 [#01819541]
Points: 1572 Status: Lurker



And another question:

What is 'blem' pertaining to midi controllers?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 18:59 [#01819601]
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Frequency is measured in hertz (cycles per second) and it is
a straight linear value. Pitch is logarithmic due to the way
our ears hear things. When you double the frequency of a
sound in hertz it is perceived as an octave increase.
linky

In reaktor there are exponential and logarithmic modules to
convert from linear values to the midi pitches from 0 to 127
and back again.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 19:01 [#01819603]
Points: 18042 Status: Lurker | Followup to Rostasky: #01819541



Oh jeez that's interesting - I had to google that one. Blem
- you saw that on a shopping site, right? That means a piece
of equipment is blemished - scratched or dented - and
they're selling it for less.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 19:04 [#01819604]
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Doh.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 19:05 [#01819606]
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In my defense, they had slightly different descriptions at
Musician's Friend.

I guess I needed to say that.


 

offline mjs on 2006-01-15 20:11 [#01819630]
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try working with the nord modular g2 demo, it gave me a
really good sense of how to chain things together, and from
there yo ucan get a good view of whats going on in reaktor
structures. reaktor's crazy open-ended, have a saucey ball
with it


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-15 20:50 [#01819641]
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Which reminds me, definitely check out the Soundschool
Analog synth in Reaktor. It's very much like a Nord lead or
like synth1 which was modeled after a nord lead. It's a
great learning synth, and the "b" panel has a routing
diagram.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 20:51 [#01819642]
Points: 1572 Status: Lurker



One mo question.

If I were to get like a 25 key midi controller, I would need
a 1-in-1-out interface, right?

What/where is this demo you speak of?

I now get stuff like LFOs and Filters and Oscillators, but
there are just so many things in Reaktor that don't directly
correspond to knobs, and these things I don't understand.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 20:52 [#01819643]
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Is subtractive the most predominant, easiest, best, or what,
type of synth?


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-15 20:56 [#01819645]
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I probably don't have anything important in (bank0) folder,
do I? (I can't find it, but it will get overwritten by
synth1)


 

offline steve mcqueen from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2006-01-16 05:14 [#01819737]
Points: 6563 Status: Regular



subtractive is where the phatness is
9 times out of 10 "analog" means "subtractive"


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-17 15:07 [#01820895]
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Bump.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 16:11 [#01820930]
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If you haven't installed synth1 before then no you have
nothing in bank 0.

What kind of controller are you looking at? Many of them use
USB so you don't need a midi interface. But most decent
sound cards have midi in/out. If you have a shit sound card,
expect either crackling or annoying delays between pressing
a key and hearing a note.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-17 17:35 [#01821024]
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Yeah, I do have a shit soundcard, but I am getting an
external one soon.

I was thinking about an M-audio one or something. Any
recommendations? There are a lot of conflicting reviews out
there, and I probably don't want to spend more than $200.

So, I should be able to use synth1 from reaktor? It says to
find a plugin menu...?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 17:49 [#01821051]
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Get an internal PCI M-audio audiophile 24/96 unless you have
a laptop. It's cheap and stable, and it has analog, digital
and midi in/out. The better external cards are firewire, not
usb, and they can be expensive.

Synth1 doesn't run insuide reaktor - you run it as a plugin
in FL Studio, Cubase, or another such host. If you don't
want to be bothered with that, just use Soundschool Analog
inside Reaktor, which is very similar and probably better
for you because you can look inside and see the way it's
built.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2006-01-17 17:51 [#01821054]
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Oh by the way, depending on how shit your soundcard is you
might be able to get better performance from it using the
asio4all drivers.



 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-17 18:10 [#01821078]
Points: 1572 Status: Lurker



Thanks,
Yeah, I'm on a laptop. Do soundcards take up ram? I'll
probably need some more anyway.

I kind of blindly ran into this. My plan is, if I invest
enough money into this, I force myself to make a
commitment...
Ugh, I'll need a sequencer too.


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-01-17 19:40 [#01821136]
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Do firewire sound cards double as midi interfaces?


 


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