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goddamnit! I don't get MIDI!
 

offline theo himself from +- on 2005-12-12 07:53 [#01798750]
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I have 2 GB of samples of every piece of every professional
drum kit on my computer. I have a keyboard w/ midi out.. I
dont like the drums in it.. anyway - let's say I open a
track in cubase. I drum out a pattern, how can I make that
pattern basically a variable that I can change the different
hihats, snares, kicks etc afterward? I hate this shit! I
know it's very basic but Ive never used it or bothered to
learn it. I could do this in a tracker, but I need to play
it out live and feeeeel it maaan, y'know?


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 07:54 [#01798753]
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that stuff's way easier in reason...


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 07:55 [#01798754]
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when you say "change the different hihats, snares, kicks etc
afterward", do you mean change the sounds used or the
rhythms played?


 

offline impakt from where we do not speak of! on 2005-12-12 08:03 [#01798766]
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You record the midi-sequence and let it trigger your
samples..


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2005-12-12 08:05 [#01798768]
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i don't get MIDI either, and for some reason ever since i
installed my soundcard a year or more ago, i can't hear any
MIDI anymore. it's not like i'm really missing out though.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:13 [#01798857]
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theo, you need to get some kind of sampler, load it in
Cubase, direct the output of your midi track to the sampler,
and load your samples in the sampler. It's not brain
surgery.

oddioblender, are you saying you can't hear midi in a
sequencer or in Windows e.g. when playing a midi in winamp?


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:38 [#01798869]
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offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-12 10:39 [#01798870]
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jesus the idea of theo performing brain surgery just filled
me with dread


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 10:42 [#01798871]
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how


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 10:46 [#01798872]
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Maybe a simple trephination on himself to warm up...


 

offline fungusman from Monster Island on 2005-12-12 12:07 [#01798918]
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:HUGE FUCKING FONT: H A L I O N :HUGE FUCKING FONT:


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 12:12 [#01798920]
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do u


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 12:24 [#01798925]
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.........ssshhhhhhooooooooottttttttt.......


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-12-12 14:03 [#01799041]
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web


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2005-12-12 14:06 [#01799051]
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..I mean change the sounds used. no changes to the rhythms I
played


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-12 14:08 [#01799053]
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sounds like you are a slave to the rhythm.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-12 14:32 [#01799092]
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as fleetmouse said, as long as you have the midi sequence
you can send it to any (vst) sampler in which you have
mapped the notes from the sequence to your IDM Sample Pack
sounds. this really is the most basic webshot.


 

offline C738 from Outer Space on 2005-12-12 14:45 [#01799120]
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try ableton live
there is this small drumsampler in it... simpler is its name
I think.

If you add kontakt or battery to your setup, you can use
those in ableton. Badass sampling tools :)

-C-


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-12 16:12 [#01799228]
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Tip; anyone who talks about "hearing midi" probably doesn't
know what they're on about. It's not impossible to do, but
it's not particularly pleasent.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-12 16:44 [#01799282]
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Tip; anyone who talks about "hearing midi" probably
doesn't
know what they're on about. It's not impossible to do, but
it's not particularly pleasent.


Ha ha, yeah, but I've done tech support so my brain quietly
and automatically translates "I can't download the internet"
into something intelligible. :D


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-12 16:47 [#01799285]
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did you sent your customers the 'how do i shot web' picture
for an answer?


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2005-12-13 00:26 [#01799497]
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Do you have a midi interface to your computer? That is the
first thing you need. I have a Tascam US428 which is an
audio interface, midi interface and control surface all in
one. Once you have that, what comes next depends on what OS
you are running. Of course you would have run the
installers and have the ASIO audio drivers in the proper
folder so that Cubase can talk to your unit about audio, but
then you have to get them to be able to talk about midi as
well. I am still running Mac OS9 because of the version of
Cubase I have, so I had to use a program called OMS, which
basically manages a profile of all your devices and handles
incoming and outgoing midi both between apllications and
applications and outside devices. Mac OSX has a built in
midi manager to do this and I am not sure what Windows has.

Anyway, in OMS I would run a wizard which searches for
connected devices, finds the midi driver which installed
with the audio drivers, and puts it in the profile. Now
when I am in Cubase I can select my midi device as the
outgoing port when I create a new track the same way I would
select a virtual instrument. I can also go into my midi
preferences and tell Cubase to accept incoming midi messages
from my midi device.

More to come in my next post...


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2005-12-13 00:41 [#01799500]
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Midi works on a 16 channel standard. Most samplers and drum
machines will have 16 sound banks, one for each channel.
Synthesizers and workstations, even if they have 1,000 patch
banks, will usually have a multimode or performance mode for
managing songs which will have 16 sound banks and, if it is
a workstation, 16 sequencer banks. Cubase will also have 16
midi channels as well. So if you have sequencer data on
channels 1, 2, and 3 in Cubase, and Cubase is connected to
your synthesizer, the sound assigned to channel 1 on your
synth will play the data sent on channel 1 from you Cubase
sequencer, and so on. The same works the other way, and
this is where what you wanted to do comes in. Set the bank
that you want to perform on your instrument to channel 1,
(you may have to have a performance/multi created to do
this, or may be able to send midi from patch mode, depending
on the instrument), and set up a midi track set to the same
channel, select it, and record (make sure you have a midi
cable going from midi out on your instrument to the midi in
on you computer interface). It should record the sequencer
data you just played. You can quantize or manually edit it
then, too. Now, change the outgoing port on the midi
channel to a virtual instrument, in this case a sample bank
such as loopazoid or whatever, and it will play back the
samples loaded to the banks you assign.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-12-13 02:58 [#01799510]
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You need to install a soundfont as default for your gm
soundbank.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-13 08:11 [#01799601]
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Very good, glasse.

also, MIDI Tutorial

Very basic and a little out of date but that's what's needed
here I think.



 

offline theo himself from +- on 2005-12-13 10:01 [#01799692]
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so I'll need to run a program I have within another program
I dont have? know any shorter cuts?


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2005-12-13 10:41 [#01799707]
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what about using a midi controller keyboard to trigger notes
in a software synthesizer... wouldn't that be "hearing" midi
to a certain extent?


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2005-12-13 10:45 [#01799710]
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i can;t hear midi at all. they play, but no sound. all my
other sound works fine.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2005-12-13 14:08 [#01799890]
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You need to install a soundfont as default for your gm
soundbank.


 

offline Quoth from Sweden on 2005-12-13 16:06 [#01799945]
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thank you for that link... even the basic of MIDI setups can
be very hard for a person like myself... the link helps


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2005-12-13 16:12 [#01799948]
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What's your power supply set to on your machinedrum Quoth?
Mine might be dead.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2005-12-14 03:38 [#01800108]
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At the risk of sounding condescending, no, it wouldn't be
hearing midi. It'd be hearing a softsynth. The midi would
just trigger the softsynth. It sounds anal, but it's a very
important distinction to make. People's willingness to blur
the definition of it in this way causes no end of problems,
not least poor Theo's.

It is theoretically possible to convert midi data into sound
through re-wiring the cables (I've not seen a software app
that does it yet- could be an interesting noise VSTi...),
but like most digital data, the sound wouldn't be too nice,
nor would it audibly bear any resemblence to the notes
played.


 

offline theo himself from +- on 2005-12-14 20:00 [#01800754]
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is this a really simple thing I'm laboring over? let me
know. if all I need is a new vst and a program to run it in
let me know.. fer'chrissakes


 


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