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offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-12-07 15:50 [#01795828]
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What a fucking god. I expected him to jump out of his
wheelchair and do a little dance at the end though.


 

offline Morton from out (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-08 08:31 [#01796138]
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thanks for sharing biff


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-08 08:33 [#01796140]
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for once I agree with you billlll. a great speech. by Pinter
I mean.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2005-12-08 08:38 [#01796146]
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its on uknova


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-08 09:08 [#01796162]
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I know :)


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-12-08 09:50 [#01796225]
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I think he's a self righteous old fucktard.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-08 10:35 [#01796257]
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jesus, you're predictable.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-12-08 11:31 [#01796282]
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I <3 swears


 

offline bill_hicks from my city is amazing it is calle on 2005-12-08 15:23 [#01796441]
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you are the only guys i associate with who saw that speech.
That is meant as a complement. Hooray for guys with no
lives!


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-10 15:45 [#01797862]
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I just watched the whole thing. Fucking incredible.

When I first read this thread I was bewildered, I hadn't
heard any news of the speech. Found out about it on a
kuro5hin article.

But dear god, what an impressive piece. Resembled the
structure of a Chomsky lecture, but it was so refreshing and
stunning to hear it through another's voice, especially that
of a writer.

Stunning use of language. I'm still reeling from it and am
still choked up by it. Incredible.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-10 17:05 [#01797911]
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the bit where he talks about how he could be a speechwriter
for Bush and would have him say:

"God is good. God is great. God is good. My God is good.
Bin Laden's God is bad. His is a bad God. Saddam's God was
bad, except he didn't have one. He was a barbarian. We are
not barbarians. We don't chop people's heads off. We believe
in freedom. So does God. I am not a barbarian. I am the
democratically elected leader of a freedom-loving democracy.
We are a compassionate society. We give compassionate
electrocution and compassionate lethal injection. We are a
great nation. I am not a dictator. He is. I am not a
barbarian. He is. And he is. They all are. I possess moral
authority. You see this fist? This is my moral authority.
And don't you forget it."


.. brilliant. especially if you see/hear him delivering the
lines himself.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-10 18:42 [#01797971]
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yes!

I had a lump in my throat when he delivered the "I
possess moral authority. You see this fist? This is my moral
authority. And don't you forget it."
bit. It's really
powerful stuff; his eyes staring through the camera, godd..


 

offline Krendo from Leicester (United Kingdom) on 2005-12-11 06:58 [#01798200]
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Don't know what you guys make of his books, but check out
The Birthday Party for a more (shall we say) nuanced portait
of power and powerlessness. Whilst I am pleased that he
takes such stances on global politics, I think they have
tended to make people forget what a great writer he was.
Also, the terrible poetry he writes now doesn't do him any
favours. But his plays from the 60s are brilliant, and say
things in a way which is far more skilfully suggestive. Or,
to use an example: with a silencer, rather than a
sub-machine gun


 

offline DeleriousWeasel from Guam on 2005-12-11 07:01 [#01798201]
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the Birthday Party is an excellent play, truly fine theatre.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-11 07:21 [#01798215]
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says "DeleriousWeasel" who is from "a huge pair of tits
(Jordan)".

Eh.


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2005-12-11 07:50 [#01798239]
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He really hates freedom™ doesn't he?

I enjoyed it.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2005-12-11 08:07 [#01798245]
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I watched it last night. Very, very good, very intense, very
compassionate, very angry and highly articulate. Powerful
and compelling. An example of the medium of television being
used to great effect rather than just the ususal bollocks.


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-11 08:10 [#01798246]
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wasnt the price controversial because the guy's been more a
political activist then a playwright? werent there other
writers that deserved it more?


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2005-12-11 08:18 [#01798249]
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He's written lots of plays, poetry, screenplays. What the
hell are you on about?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-12-11 08:23 [#01798252]
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he has been a true innovator within western theatre history,
bip.

and I mean, it's not some kind of dumb hype, he really IS,
here is no question about it.


 

offline redrum from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-12-11 09:14 [#01798268]
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As the others said, no.

However, he did retire from his literary career in 2002, I
believe, to focus on political campaigning.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2005-12-11 10:28 [#01798315]
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That was great!


 

offline rogu rarebit from beggin' for leggings on 2005-12-11 11:26 [#01798354]
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It was really fucking great. The staging of the thing was
excellent, with the picture of him when he was younger and
the way he stares into the camera. I am however wondering
why I have read so little about the speech in the media.
Especially since I live in Sweden, where the papers usually
write a shitload about all things Nobel Prize related.


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-11 11:51 [#01798368]
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it was months ago that it was announced, so i dont remember
what the article said, but there was some controversy about
him getting the price
it's why i asked


 

offline big from lsg on 2005-12-11 11:58 [#01798374]
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he didnt write harry potter right?


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-12-11 12:05 [#01798377]
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I think it's great a load of left-wing people can sit
together in a big hall and listen to some opinions they had
anyway.


 

offline r40f from qrters tea party on 2005-12-11 12:10 [#01798378]
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unlike the right-wing people, who never do that.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-12-11 12:11 [#01798379]
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Fuck them too.



 

offline spculum from MÜÜT on 2009-08-09 06:14 [#02313433]
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AmazinG speECh


 


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