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preferably to someone who only listens to mainstream music.. |
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its more moving and complex than mainstream things it makes you feel something genuine i say |
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the reply from them would be; u2 sound complex and move me and feel genuine. |
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my reply would be... "then you, my friend, are stupid" |
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it's the music that i like. |
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and they would tell you are narrow minded. i went in another vein; what is it that made bach and mozart so appreciated? that sort of closed their mouth :) |
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of course music is personal and we all like different things but i honest to god believe that some music is just bad, no matter who likes it, its still bad... like U2 like madonna like lady sovereign like analord like nelly plus just because someone likes something that doesnt mean that it is good |
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awesome, I got 5 out of 5 |
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then you say "that's great, it's good you've found music that moves you. just leave your mind open to other musics out there, that are less well-known".. encourage them to spend more time exploring the world of music. seriously though, what is with this obsession with making people come around to weird musics, especially idm? few people like it. that's the way it is. don't try to change other people by dictation. it's their own choice. |
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i just wish people would embrace things that aren't spoonfed and marketed towards them - more people need to think for themselves |
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Play them Kesson Daslef (1:21). |
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it's the liking that makes the good. goodness is a subjective quality, and if you don't believe me, try to define "good" in objective terms. the experience of "good" is only in your mind, it's not a feature of the music, the stimulus, whatever. i mention this mainly because living in a world with people who believe that "goodness" is an objective quality is a pain in the ass. |
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im not really trying to turn anyone into music i like..especially not idm which i don't listen to a lot nowdays. it's just that i get negative comments on any music i listen to..except for 'heliosphan' oddly enough. |
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sounds like you just want people to agree with you. |
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its not my job...when i was younger i thought it was...i can genuinely say, at this point, it's their loss im done fighting that battle i mean, fuck, look how many people voted for bush, you think i should waste time convincing someone that U2 sucks? too trivial at this point |
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goodness is objective - for years i didnt like miles davis...but he is good ! |
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well, personally i think there's music with quality and music without any quality. |
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im right behind you |
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you should have seen me trying to explain noise to my exgfriend who was a raver it was like pulling teeth |
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then tell me what quality is. Be good and you will be lonesome. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910) |
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so maybe in ten years you'll change your mind. |
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crazy good music |
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it's quite hard to get that status but at the same time not exhausting |
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yes, it's hard to explain isn't it? it varies from artist to artist i suppose. one may be excellent at composing, when another can do wonders with a simple drone sound..it's very subjective ofcourse, but you would notice if you would play a quality track and a bad quality track in same vein..i think. |
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analord 10 isn't bad. |
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i wouldn't try to explain, i'd play good music and say "listen, this is good ! it's even awwesoome !" "it IS goood indeeed, what is it ???" "it's the latest autechre, silly !" "oh, that triple snare is amazing" "yeah !" |
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i ask my friends if they want to go on some excellent electronic adventures most of them say no thanks, im full |
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hello |
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you're fortunate to have friends who are wise. |
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"hi there ! Mastah would you mind answering a short and simple question ? " "sure thing" "what is good music ? "it's the music...the music that.....cheers !" |
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hihihihi! |
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good music is totally subjective you listen, it clicks or it doesn't i hate people who say that you are a "mainstream sheep" for liking popular music - fuck right off, you pretentious faggots |
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quality in music isn't subjective though. although i don't really care. and i like some mainstream as well..even a couple of coldplay songs, so there. |
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what do you mean by quality? |
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i'd demand that you justify your irrational belief in quality, but it turns out that i don't want to have to justify my own irrational beliefs at this time. so you're off the hook. off tha hook! |
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quality music as opposed to not quality music. music itself..what do you mean? there are parameters on which you can say little something about the quality of a certain piece. no? |
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i would prefer not to get too much into it at the moment as well actually :) |
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i wouldn't explain it to them. i dont see a point. |
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unfortunately for you, drunken mastah has *no* irrational beliefs. a riddle for you: socrates walks into a bar and meets a priest, a rabbi, and an orthodox rastafarian. when he walks out five minutes later, what is the first thing he says to the postman who is walking by? |
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they asked me to so i had to come up with something.. |
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plaidzebra is the only one in this thread with a clue. tolstoyed: if you're unable to see why "quality music" is a subjective evaluation, then think about the qualities of a music, and how they're subjective. somethings do things for some people, other things do things for others. r40f loves noisy guitar stuff, and screaming. loves it. that does nothing for me. he thinks it's totally, brilliant, amazing, quality music. i think it's shit. neither of us is right or wrong. |
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probably; "im the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." |
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why do people study music then? why were mozart and bach recognised as best composers, if not for their quality? ofcourse there is certain quality to music. whether you like it or not is subjective but the quality itself it isn't imo. there's lots of quality music that i don't really like..and lots of shit music i really like. it's two different matters imo. |
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...recognised as great composers.. classical composers' music is studied because it is written within rules and forms that, once mastered, act as a stimulant to genius, rather than a hindrance. |
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depends on which aspect of it you are talking about it's easier to get people to agree that Diana Krall - Live In Paris is an awesomely well mastered record than it is to get them to agree that the music actually is good. mozart and bach are recognised as the best composers for the same reason the beatles are recognised as one of the best bands of all time: it's completely random and only depends on a sort of "pop" availability. of course, you can't say today that mozart and bach are available, but neither are the beatles really... they're just closer. thing is, when something is "recognised," it's just because lots of different people like it.. what the music is and who made it are completely arbitrary factors. |
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not sure if that answers my question..so it's impossible to say whether there's quality to certain piece if it's outside those rules? not sure i get what you're trying to say...mostly due to my poor english :) |
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well, you know..beatles did some nice songs :) |
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but seriously, when you think about it, you can't possibly say there's same type quality in bach and beatles..or is that what you are saying? there are people that i would trust if they pput their opinion about certain music in proper form..well argumented and all that.. |
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sure there's the same type of quality: availability. nothing to do with the actual music though, it's just that hordes of people from the age it was made liked it. it's like pop. |
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for example take the composition aspect. how can you say that easylistening beatles composition can be compared to complex composition of classical composers?? |
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