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offline optimus prime on 2005-11-27 22:43 [#01788669]
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please don't run away! this is another short story. but a
really short one. i think it's kind of fun and serene.

if you enjoy autumn then you might enjoy it as well.

s'over on JoshTierney.com


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 11:20 [#01789090]
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sad attempt to keep the topic alive.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-28 11:24 [#01789093]
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it reads like you have used an ultra-theasaurus a million
times for each sentence


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 11:25 [#01789099]
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it reads like it's a load of bollocks, to be frank.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 11:26 [#01789101]
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will read later.

home-exams suck.


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-28 11:29 [#01789107]
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it reads like an incommodious and vexatious collection of
ostentatious, peremptory locution


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 11:38 [#01789123]
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it is quite incontestable that there might be an actual
apologue ensconced beneath that prolix text - it is a
mischance that it now seems to be treatment over
connotation.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 11:38 [#01789124]
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:D

at least you're funnier than qrter. thanks for reading the
first paragraph or so.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 11:39 [#01789126]
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you didn't say you were looking for fun.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 11:39 [#01789128]
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there's an old lady in it so you might like it if you give
it a chance.

she's in homage to your fine work.


 

offline staz on 2005-11-28 11:41 [#01789131]
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it's like a parody.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 11:42 [#01789132]
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I'm sorry, I can't be bothered to wade through a thick layer
of pretentious word-sludge to get to your old lady.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 11:43 [#01789134]
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:(


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-11-28 11:44 [#01789136]
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Here's my short story.

One day when I was twelve, me and my friend were riding
bikes through the woods by his house and there was an empty
vibrator box with "MAXXIMUM PLEASURE" in pink letters on it.
Once we saw some crotchless panties there as well. I used to
dare him to touch items like these, things like used condoms
and crumpled jizzy porn mags. In the end I just got them on
the end of a stick and swung them at him.

TEH END.


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-11-28 11:48 [#01789141]
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In all seriousness this works more like a homework
assignment than it does a recreational story. Instead of
entertaining and capturing the reader it chases them away
with an onslaught on vocabulary words rarely used in
everyday life. Forcing the reader (if at all still
interested) to look up the meanings to crack the code behind
this ambush of words long forgotten.

This story alienates the everday reader and seems more like
a student with a creative writing class attempting to
achieve a high grade by using methods and vocabulary just
recently learned.

Most likely this wont appeal to the everyday reader. But
might find favor with stuck up chain smoking inhabitants of
trendy and hip eastside coffee shops where they
stereotypically read such things and act condensendly to
those that dont.


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-11-28 11:49 [#01789143]
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Did you hit him with teh_panties?


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-11-28 11:50 [#01789144]
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onslaught of vocabulary...

I hate how i do that to my own sentences. it almost takes
away from the original thought. :/


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 11:50 [#01789145]
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I'm sorry, optimus, that was too nasty.

I really don't like that kind of thing, it's nigh impossible
to read and it gives me the impression that it's style over
substance, which I'm sure is not what you'd want.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 11:57 [#01789152]
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don't bother reading this story, drunken mastah, honestly.
i'll try to write a new story soon to make up for this one.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2005-11-28 11:57 [#01789153]
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It's like what Matthew Barney would leave in the toilet
having eaten the entire works of James Joyce and Angela
Carter.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2005-11-28 12:01 [#01789161]
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Bounded by a troika of tenements in the senescent city of
London, the Canadian municipality in the portentous province
of Ontari-ari-ari-o, was an autumnal weald of ashen trees
hosting frolicking descendants.


Bulwer-Lytton bait.



 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 12:02 [#01789162]
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haha! see, now this is a good comment.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 12:03 [#01789165]
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that's a depressing comment. :(


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 12:03 [#01789167]
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hahaha yeah, I started reading the first paragraph after
reading this thread, and it all came out in my head in the
voice of a swedish girl talking in english to a child for
some reason...

also it had this sort of staccato skipping voice that would
put pressure on random words instead of syllables...

I don't know if it's this thread that did that or the text
itself, but I the dictionary plugin started running hot
after only a few paragraphs.. however, your other stories
have had an abundance of weird words before, and I did like
them, so I'm kind of leaning towards having been affected by
this thread...


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 12:08 [#01789175]
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no, the people in this thread are right. it's a terrible
story. i don't know why i thought it was good or why i still
think it's good, probably because i'm the only person who
understands it. it's possibly the worst example of outsider
art one could come across.

i'll write a good story for my number one fan, drunken
mastah. :D


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 12:16 [#01789188]
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well, at least your webpage still rocks! ;)


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 12:21 [#01789197]
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well, if you haven't read the previous story yet, August, i
think that one is completely readable.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 12:33 [#01789204]
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well, I think I did read it.. or maybe I just started...
it's the one with a guy in a hospital bed, right?

I'll get around to finishing that too probably, but it's the
middle of exam time, and I'm currently trying to work out
how to write my critique of Sartres critique of skepticism
about other minds...


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-11-28 12:39 [#01789207]
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well, I dunno.. just kidding. :-)


 

offline epohs from )C: on 2005-11-28 12:46 [#01789214]
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iSuq


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 12:48 [#01789215]
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that sounds like quite the critique!


 

offline virginpusher from County Clare on 2005-11-28 13:06 [#01789226]
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*steel chair to teh saq*


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 13:48 [#01789252]
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it's doubly critique-y


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2005-11-28 14:29 [#01789278]
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Maybe my style is too advanced for the casual reader.



 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2005-11-28 14:47 [#01789305]
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after reading these posts, i am intrigued to read this short
story. after lunch perhaps.

haha 'word sludge' haha. coca qrter classic.


 

offline mappatazee from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2005-11-28 14:50 [#01789307]
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that was shitty to the max


 

offline evolume from seattle (United States) on 2005-11-28 15:57 [#01789355]
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ugg gawd.. big words.. ugg. i don't even like reading
things with small words. i have the attention span of a


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 19:36 [#01789465]
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thanks. but can you explain why? i'd like to be a better
writer but nobody really offers specific critiques or
suggestions.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 19:48 [#01789470]
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well, one aspect that could be helpful in regards to this
story is that as a writer you want to communicate.

this is what the text will do - it will communicate
something from you the writer to the reader(s). something to
ask yourself is: what do you want to convey in any written
text?

this is not the same as asking: what is the story about -
god no. that's one of the shittiest questions you can
encounter and helps you next to nothing.

no, it's all about effect - what is it you want a text to do
to a reader. do you want to move someone? do you want to
make someone laugh? etc. etc.

if you know what effect you want to achieve with a text it
will become easier to see what you are doing wrong (if
indeed you are doing something wrong, ofcourse).


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 19:55 [#01789472]
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obviously i am. :p

i wanted to convey a nostalgic memory run through a clinical
adult mind. i wanted people to read it as though they were
watching a foreign film with the subtitles off.

personally i wanted to write dense poetry.


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 19:56 [#01789473]
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previously I kind of considered your language in your texts
as a way to kind of make even the "sweetest" scenarios seem
just slightly clinical and scary (similar to that effect
they use in movies where they just make it look all
green-ish..). It kind of had that effect on me, at least...

however, you should probably, as everyone says, keep it on a
level where at least people who are native english speakers
won't have to use a dictionary...


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 19:59 [#01789474]
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also, if that's what you were after, it would've been easier
if you'd actually asked for it in your initial post.

another tip is to decide how you want people to read it, in
other words: think up a specific question you'd like to see
answered by readers of your story. this ties directly into
the effects thing I described a post ago - in the case of
this story you could've asked (for example), "if you read it
rhythmically, does it work?" or "do you like the imagery?".

this not only helps readers but also helps you, because
people won't be just saying things like "it's bollocks" or
"it's great" - most people don't have access to the
vocabulary to give constructive criticism.

a general piece of advice is to learn yourself as quickly as
you can to differentiate between yourself and the text -
when I criticise your text, I am not criticising you. this
sounds awfully pedantic and maybe you already have made this
division, but you'd be surprised at the amount of people
that can't make that division.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-11-28 20:02 [#01789475]
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there is a huge difference in 'coding' that comes with
poetry and prose.

if you present it as prose but mean it as poetry, you will
get confliciting responses. it's annoying, but that's how
language works - especially when presented as prose people
will be looking for information, if you then obscure it by
using a certain style you'll make it awfully hard for
yourself.


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 20:11 [#01789481]
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nah, i understand. i've been writing since i was 17 though
it obviously doesn't seem like that. i'm completely
autodidactic.

the reason why i didn't ask those questions here is because
i only expected the posters to simply read it and comment in
one way or the other, especially going by how the most
successful of my other topics panned out (i.e. 'i liked
it/didn't like it.' nothing that seemed on the verge of a
critique, such as 'this is the most pretentious abuse of a
thesaurus i've ever had the displeasure to read'). this is
my only story like this so i should've expected such a
response, but i didn't because my other topics have never
reached this level. i only braced myself for drunken mastah
being unable to read it.


 

offline rarndaraki from from from from (United States) on 2005-11-28 20:11 [#01789482]
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pamela anderson


 

offline rarndaraki from from from from (United States) on 2005-11-28 20:12 [#01789484]
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oh sorry, i thought i was searching google


 

offline horsefactory from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2005-11-28 20:12 [#01789486]
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lol


 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 20:13 [#01789487]
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i think the news section covered *some* of what you're
talking about but clearly not nearly enough:

12 November 1993 originally began as a narrative poem before
evolving into a short prose piece. Like Judy Bloom it is a
celebration of innocence and words. A dream sequence was
written for the ending but was subsequently and practically
cut by Marisa Williams.

i'd post that dream sequence here but i'd probably be
destroyed. :p


 

offline Drunken Mastah from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2005-11-28 20:15 [#01789488]
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the dictionary search for autodidactic proved particularly
helpful this time: autodidactic - relating to or having
the characteristics of an autodidact



 

offline optimus prime on 2005-11-28 20:16 [#01789490]
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haha!


 


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